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Pakistan's Education system | Reforms & Upgrades.

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  1. MastanKhan

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    Hi,

    When a reporter asked the japanese ambassador to pakistan---what do you think----will pakistan be successful---he replied never---the reporter asked why---the ambassador replied---pakistan's is travelling in just the opposite direction of success---it will never happen.

    and you sir----are proof of that-----. You already have an asset in your resource---ie english----instead of maximizing it----you want to minimize it----. Who needs india as an enemy----when pakistanis will do it to themselves.

    For the enemies of pakistan---your biggest achievement---building of the atom bomb---was carried out by those who were fluent in english---german---dutch---french----. When working in pakistan----these scientists even had work hours emulating those in the west.

    Your F16 pilots on their first ever training in the u s in the early 80's---they were praised with the highest accoldes---beacuse of their proficiency in english as compared to pilots from other nations---pak pilots were way ahead of the learning curve.

    W'alalh----Allah has given the nation a gift and the nation has thrown it in the trash----.


    And while you are at it----don't step on those " mines "---they have a tendency to blow up----hehn.
     
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    Japan, China, South Korea, developed non-english speaking countries of Europe and many others. All focus on their national language and a second language side by side. They did not give up the national language in the curriculum on the contrary the national language was developed with time and new words and terminology were added using their own language and not by using English words and using their national language alphabets or phonetics.
     
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    Sir,

    Japan korea china have a long history of freedom and independence---they have their own base of technology and resource----. Japan had banned guns in the lte 1500's I beleive and when the blackships came to port---a century later----there were no guns in japan. They had their own industrial base----which they developed with time. Their technology developed in parallel to that of the west---.

    When west became the dominant power---they adopted the ways of the west to compete----but they had a base and foundations to build upon.

    OTOH---pakistan had nothing of that sort----the only asset it had was fluency in english----the current lingua frnca---other than that no induatrial base, no books, no cultural heritge nothing----.

    In the last 100 + years when the world changed and english became the lingua frnca----we already had the tools to ride the wave to success and we did for a long time. Dealing in english gave us advantage over other nations of our likes and we got way ahead of them.

    Now the children of pakistan and enemies of pakistan want to negate the advantage our forefathers built for us to compete with the world.
     
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    What are you trying to say here? Can you please elaborate?
     
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    He wants us to focus on English instead of Urdu.
    Boy, those British really turned us into servile Brown sahibs, didn't they?
     
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    Hmm I would say the same because English is my first language but some people have difficulty with learning in english in Pakistan.There should be a separate program for those kids who want to learn in urdu,punjabi,etc.
     
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    I do believe English is important, but the illiteracy levels for LOCAL languages is very high. People still can't read Urdu or their local provincial languages. I think it's important to jump over that hurdle first and then focus on English. Even basic level would do.
     
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    You m---n---these atom bombs that you brag about----these were all manufctured by the brown gora arse kissing sahibs----these F16 pilots that you strut around about----they were ahead because of their gora arse kissing english speech----
     
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    May I add with permission, Chinese Military products coming out have less technological influence of russia recently and more of US type/style and inputs, they have realized they have to look towards standards to develop standards that has made US concerned to some extend.
     
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    Hi,

    You asked for it---we are a nation of third rate people and when it comes to comparison---we want to compare ourselves with nations of first rate people.

    Japan korea china have thousand years of history and their own industrial base--schools---colleges----univesities---research---teachers---professors---engineers---etc etc etc---they had maintained and managed their natural development over the centuries.

    You hve nothing in comprison to these three----for comprison---you hve nigeria---zimbabwe---iraq----syria---iran---myanmar---bangladesh---.

    The amazing thing is that you have already climbed the mountain that others like china japan korea taiwan etc despeartely want to climb----english has become mandatory for their children and younger generation---they want to climb because they have learnt that in order for them to get to the next pletaeu---they will be walking and talking english.

    The only problem is that you want to come down the mountain and start all over again----.


    Sir,

    The illetercy level is high becuse of criminal negligence of education---you are the only nation of the world with negative education growth----your problem is not of english---but simply of not learning----english is just a bag that you want to beat up on.
     
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    So what do you suggest? We pool millions of dollars into education and Ta Da! Now not only do our students know Urdu, Pakhtun, Sindhi, Balochi, and Punjabi, and English. They also know Dari, Persian and Arabic.
    The key is to take SMALL steps. The entire nation believes that big massive operations, massive shuffling in departments, and massive reforms.

    Bhutto started the nuclear program and he was a staunch nationalist who laughed in the face of the West.
     
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    Hi,

    It may come as a big surprise to many that china is the largest buyer of military works of fiction books printed in the U S---written by western authors. How easy is it to leak informtion in english----you just need to know the language and know what to look for to know what is in there.

    & this is the biggest headache for the intelligence agy's to keep track of all the published stuff---. Now in this case simply knowing the english languge is not enough----you ought to have similr background in eduction to understnd what is being written.

    & he spoke english all the time---was educted in english---taught in english and communicted in english---so much so that he had his kids taught in english---& all those scientists spoke fluent english and lived and worked on english work timetble in pakistan---I knew many of them first hand and lived with one of them for few years---.
     
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    Wow they speak English. They MUST obviously love the West. I also write in English. Why not accuse me of loving the West?
     
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    You would be surprise, there are Military institutes of US/NATO teaching French, Arab and other languages. It is from strategic point of view to learn English to understand superior force and their technologies and their ways how they gained such supremacy.
     
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    I'm all fine and dandy with learning English, but right now to give it importance over Urdu when there is great illiteracy in the sub-continent is insane.
    I'd love to make our nation of farmers and fisherman and shopkeepers and businessmen and sweepers and doctors and engineers a superior fighting force, but not now.
     
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