Pakistan's economic woes go from bad to worse ahead of polls: Bloomberg

[MultaniGuy]

If there are three nations now from what used to be one colony, how is two nation theory valid? Two nations based on religion was a flawed idea and it bombed on Pakistan's face. You know what else debunked it? 200+ million Muslims who live in India quite happily.


I agree India is a secular country. Whats the feud in it?
BTW, was there a nation called India before partition? I don't think so. There was a colony which British used to call India. Before that a number of kingdoms in the general geography called Indian subcontinent.

I am growing up fine and getting best education. Hope I could say the same about you. I dont know why you think I am a false flagger.

Muslims around the world are divided into many countries.

so there should be many "Nation theories" in the world.

Kashmiris can only choose between Pakistan and India. There cannot be any independent Kashmir.

It goes against the Partition plan.

lol Indian Muslims live as second class citizens. Treated the same way Blacks are treated in USA.

Two nation theory as Muslims and Hindus are two different communities still is valid.

Had Bangladesh reunited with India, which they never will, then I would have agreed with you.

But Bangladesh and Pakistan did not reunite with India and they never will lol.

 

[Shajida Khan]

It goes against the Partition plan.

The plan which failed at the secession of Bangladesh. Current Pakistan is only West Pakistan.

Kashmiris can only choose between Pakistan and India. There cannot be any independent Kashmir.

Not in the minds of Kashmiri.

Muslims around the world are divided into many countries.

It was a theory regarding people of the subcontinent or more specifically people of the British colony called India. The universe of discourse was not entire world.

 

[MultaniGuy]

The plan which failed at the secession of Bangladesh. Current Pakistan is only West Pakistan.


Not in the minds of Kashmiri.


It was a theory regarding people of the subcontinent or more specifically people of the British colony called India. The universe of discourse was not entire world.

Stop talking rubbish. Secession of Bangladesh from Pakistan has nothing to do with the Partition Plan of the British Raj.

The partition plan is still relevant.

your anecdotes are useless. There are many Kashmiris like Geelani who want to accede to Pakistan.

Kashmiris will never have a country of their own. It goes against the Partition plan for the Princely states. Bangladesh is not a princely state.

So stop beating around the bush.

 

[Shajida Khan]

lol Indian Muslims live as second class citizens. Treated the same way Blacks are treated in USA.

Huh? Both Blacks and Muslims are doing quite decently in their respective countries.
Cann't say that about say Ahmediyas.

Two nation theory as Muslims and Hindus are two different communities still is valid.

Issue is that Muslims are not one community. Bangali Muslim proved that quite aptly in 71.

Had Bangladesh reunited with India, which they never will, then I would have agreed with you.
But Bangladesh and Pakistan did not reunite with India and they never will lol.

Never say never, but explain me this.
If you have two nations, its two nation theory.
If you have three nations, how can you still say that two nation theory holds? It doesn't!
That does not automatically imply that all the nations should unite into one single political entity.
I think you and Pakistani are suffering from what is called as fallacy by lack of consideration of contingencies.

If not two does not automatically implies one. It simply means that two nations based on Hinduism and Islam is a bogus theory. Perhaps people and communities of the subcontinent choose to be unified based on something more than a mere religion.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Huh? Both Blacks and Muslims are doing quite decently in their respective countries.
Cann't say that about say Ahmediyas.


Issue is that Muslims are not one community. Bangali Muslim proved that quite aptly in 71.


Never say never, but explain me this.
If you have two nations, its two nation theory.
If you have three nations, how can you still say that two nation theory holds? It doesn't!
That does not automatically imply that all the nations should unite into one single political entity.
I think you and Pakistani are suffering from what is called as fallacy by lack of consideration of contingencies.

If not two does not automatically implies one. It simply means that two nations based on Hinduism and Islam is a bogus theory. Perhaps people and communities of the subcontinent choose to be unified based on something more than a mere religion.

Huh? Both Blacks and Muslims are doing quite decently in their respective countries.
Cann't say that about say Ahmediyas.


Issue is that Muslims are not one community. Bangali Muslim proved that quite aptly in 71.


Never say never, but explain me this.
If you have two nations, its two nation theory.
If you have three nations, how can you still say that two nation theory holds? It doesn't!
That does not automatically imply that all the nations should unite into one single political entity.
I think you and Pakistani are suffering from what is called as fallacy by lack of consideration of contingencies.

If not two does not automatically implies one. It simply means that two nations based on Hinduism and Islam is a bogus theory. Perhaps people and communities of the subcontinent choose to be unified based on something more than a mere religion.

Don't bring Ahmadis into this, because Ahmadis are not Muslims by the mainstream community.

Secondly Hindus are not one nation either going by your logic. because Hindus are not united under one political entity like Hindus in India and Hindus in Nepal.

So enough of your crap.

You are missing the point. The point is that the two nation theory says that Muslims and Hindus are two different communities.

That is something you cannot deny.

Yes the two nation theory holds, because it means that Muslims and Hindus are two different nations or communities. Just because Bangladesh seceded does not mean Muslims and Hindus are not two different communities. Muslims and Hindus are two different communities.

 

[Shajida Khan]

Don't bring Ahmadis into this, because Ahmadis are not Muslims by the mainstream community.

Secondly Hindus are not one nation either going by your logic. because Hindus are not united under one political entity like Hindus in India and Hindus in Nepal.

So enough of your crap.

You are missing the point. The point is that the two nation theory says that Muslims and Hindus are two different communities.

That is something you cannot deny.

Yes the two nation theory holds, because it means that Muslims and Hindus are two different nations or communities. Just because Bangladesh seceded does not mean Muslims and Hindus are not two different communities. Muslims and Hindus are two different communities.

If Hindus are not one united community then in Indian subcontinent; Muslims are even more divided. There are 200 million of Muslims in each nation.

Secondly no one is debating if Hindu and Muslim are two communities. They are. But do those communities make nations? No! Atleast not in the subcontinent.

Pakistan failed miserably at that in 71.

India rejected the belonious idea in '47 itself by not choosing to be a religiously defined nation.

Your nation took a wrong concept since beginning. No wonder it broke! It will again break if your people and leaders don't get wiser. Islam is not enough to define a modern day nation. You need more to keep people together.

 

[El Sidd]

Huzoor, Gustakhi maaf ho, Islam ek mulk ya khitte ka mohtaj naheen hei.

Muhtarma ye batayen islam deen ya mazhab?

 

[Shajida Khan]

Muhtarma ye batayen islam deen ya mazhab?

Mazhab bahut hein lekin deen to kewal Islam hei.

 

[El Sidd]

Mazhab bahut hein lekin deen to kewal Islam hei.

Mazhab aur deen me fark kiya hai?

Apki taraf islam hamesha mazhab rahega. Hamari taraf deen.

Samajh len monopoly hai hamari.

Aap deen i ilahi ki taraf laut rahe hain agar bareek beeni se thande dil se soch len.

 

[Shajida Khan]

Mazhab aur deen me fark kiya hai?

Farq itna hei ke Quran ne Islam ko deen kaha hei. Allah ne Islam ko deen bola hei, to Islam deen hei.

Apki taraf islam hamesha mazhab rahega. Hamari taraf deen.

Huzoor, meine to kabhi naheen kaha ke Islam mazhab hei. Agar aapko lagta he ke akele Pakistani hi Muslmaan hein to itna hi boloongi ke yeh kahne ka haq kewal Ek ke pass hei. Waheen sabkee neeyat janta hai.

Samajh len monopoly hai hamari.

Aap deen i ilahi ki taraf laut rahe hain agar bareek beeni se thande dil se soch len.

49:12

 

[El Sidd]

Farq itna hei ke Quran ne Islam ko deen kaha hei. Allah ne Islam ko deen bola hei, to Islam deen hei.


Huzoor, meine to kabhi naheen kaha ke Islam mazhab hei. Agar aapko lagta he ke akele Pakistani hi Muslmaan hein to itna hi boloongi ke yeh kahne ka haq kewal Ek ke pass hei. Waheen sabkee neeyat janta hai.


49:12

Aap sirf mujhe deen or mazhab kay darmiyaan ka farq bata den saada zabaan me.

Behas mubahisa ki zarorat nahi.

Actual legal difference. Baki khair hai.

 

[Shajida Khan]

Aap sirf mujhe deen or mazhab kay darmiyaan ka farq bata den saada zabaan me.

Behas mubahisa ki zarorat nahi.

Actual legal difference. Baki khair hai.

Janaab, waqeel to naheen hoon par itna maloom hei ke Mazab kisi ka khayaal ho sakta hei aur nazariyaat bhi ho sakta hei. Deen mein aisi koi gunjayish naheen hei, deen wo jeene ka tareeka hei jo Quran mein dikhaya hai. Isliye Islam deen hai kyonki woh aap apne kyaal se ya nazariyaat se naheen chala sakte. Allah ne kaha hei ki bina deen ke use koi naahen mil sakta. Agar is se jyada gahrai mein kuch hei to mujhe naheen pata. Jahaan tak mujhe pata hei Quran mein Islam ko kabhi Mazhab naheen kaha gaya hei.

 

[El Sidd]

Janaab, waqeel to naheen hoon par itna maloom hei ke Mazab kisi ka khayaal ho sakta hei aur nazariyaat bhi ho sakta hei. Deen mein aisi koi gunjayish naheen hei, deen wo jeene ka tareeka hei jo Quran mein dikhaya hai. Isliye Islam deen hai kyonki woh aap apne kyaal se ya nazariyaat se naheen chala sakte. Allah ne kaha hei ki bina deen ke use koi naahen mil sakta. Agar is se jyada gahrai mein kuch hei to mujhe naheen pata.

Theek mana.

Per aal e hind ne to mazhab tak mahdood kardiya hai ... Personal law bach gaya tha wo bhi ab uniform civil code ke tehat khatam hojaega. Democracy anay wali hai apki taraf.

Farq india pakistan me sirf ye hai.

Deen vs mazhab.

Baaki aap mashallah khud isqabil Hain mamlaat dekhne sochne samajhne kay.

Shariat e moosvi or shariat e mohammadi ki evolution 47 me hogai.

Ab tu aapse jizya lenge. Agay agay dekhen hota Kia hai. Har marz ki dawa ilallah hai

 

[MultaniGuy]

If Hindus are not one united community then in Indian subcontinent; Muslims are even more divided. There are 200 million of Muslims in each nation.

Secondly no one is debating if Hindu and Muslim are two communities. They are. But do those communities make nations? No! Atleast not in the subcontinent.

Pakistan failed miserably at that in 71.

India rejected the belonious idea in '47 itself by not choosing to be a religiously defined nation.

Your nation took a wrong concept since beginning. No wonder it broke! It will again break if your people and leaders don't get wiser. Islam is not enough to define a modern day nation. You need more to keep people together.

Stop posting crap here.
Clearly you are not an intelligent person.

For Pakistan, Islam is the unifying force. There are other factors like language as well.

You are a hypocrite.

Hindus are divided into many sects. Hindus are not united. Secondly there are only three Hindu majority countries in the world which are India, Nepal, and Mauritius. Are the Hindus united as a Nation? No they are not going by your logic.

 

[Shajida Khan]

Stop posting crap here.
Clearly you are not an intelligent person.

Who are you and whats your competence to say this?

Hindus are divided into many sects. Hindus are not united. Secondly there are only three Hindu majority countries in the world which are India, Nepal, and Mauritius. Are the Hindus united as a Nation? No they are not going by your logic.

India specifically is not a Hindu nation, so why is that even a question? Did I ever claim that India is a Hindu nation? And yes, Indians --Hindu or otherwise-- don't need to lean on religion to define their nation. Remember there is no "Hindustan ka matlab kya....". There is only one nation who took this jumla and we know how well it went.

Interestingly, why are you not able to wrap your head around a simple fact: Modern nation states are not defined by religion --or atleast religion alone. The fact that Pakistani like you are in Canada and will probably naturalize to Canadian citizenship is the biggest proof! Its a pity that Pakistani don't realize this till date. Or may be they do but they are too afraid to admit it publicly.

The very frustration and abuse you are hurling is the proof that you belong to what like of Hassan Nisar say -- "Mashqshuda Nazariyat": A botched and maimed world view.