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Pakistan’s debt to GDP ratio reaches 67.2 percent; Finance Ministry


You people are missing the point, its not the debt which is the factor here but the ability to service the debt. From the list above who seems most likely to ask for a bailout package from IMF? Japan, Bhutan, India or Pakistan? Japan with its 250% debt to GDP ratio will be giving India USD 12 billion loan at 1% interest for its bullet train project. It will invest in the USD 90 billion DMIC project. USA with over 100% debt to GDP ratio donates money to various countries.

he is an idiot, so i stopped discussing things with him

He just shares news articles and states his own point of view, Its quite refreshing to see people like you or him just posting their views in PDF without resorting to abuses on religion which is quite a rarity in PDF.
 
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You people are missing the point, its not the debt which is the factor here but the ability to service the debt. From the list above who seems most likely to ask for a bailout package from IMF? Japan, Bhutan, India or Pakistan? Japan with its 250% debt to GDP ratio will be giving India USD 12 billion loan at 1% interest for its bullet train project. It will invest in the USD 90 billion DMIC project. USA with over 100% debt to GDP ratio donates money to various countries.

In other words this metric is useless and should be thrown in trash.
 
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Well, sitting behind a computer and abusing is easy. The post below will set out certain facts (again). Talk on facts. And shove your misplaced patriotism in the place where the sun don't shine. The issue is not just the ratio of debt but more importantly how you fund that debt. And cause Pakistan cannot, it keeps going Back to IMF again and again. With 8 billion dollars of net forex reserves how is Pakistan going to fund a deficit of 26 billion dollars is the question.

Pakistan reserves decrease $124 mln to $13,983 mln week ending Jan 5 2018
https://in.reuters.com/article/****...-to-13983-mln-week-ending-jan-5-idINL4N1P64BU

See this is the reason. SBP reserves keep decreasing at an alarming rate. Because of the fudging of figures by SBP/ Ministry of finance the alarming situation is not brought to the fore. You realize that this figure of 13.98 billion dollars is fudged as SBP includes in the said amount deposit made by the general public that is 6 billion dollars. The same amount of 6 billion dollars is also shown as a separate amount while calculating reserves. The reserves with SBP 8 billion dollars. It shows 6 billion dollars which belong to the general public as its reserves. therefore 8 + 6 = 14 billion dollars. The same 6 billion dollars are again added up to the figure of 14 billion dollars and the forex reserves become 14 + 6 billion dollars = 20 billion dollars.

The Pakistani media keeps reporting this but alas no one want to discuss this issue and just want to ignore it.

"As of November 2017, the SBP’s official foreign currency reserves were $12.66 billion including $5.8 billion worth of currency swaps and forward contracts. Despite showing $5.8 billion as part of its own reserves, the SBP has also included the same amount in the total $6.01 billion reserves held by commercial banks.

By excluding $5.8 billion of short-term loans, the net usable reserves with the commercial banks stand at only $200 million. Out of $5.8 billion, $1.68 billion was obtained for one month, $2.46 billion for up to three months and $1.7 billion for up to one year, according to the SBP.

This is clearly double counting of $5.8 billion. In principle, it should have excluded this sum from the commercial banks’ reserves,” said Dr Ashfaque Hasan Khan, former director general of Debt of Ministry of Finance."

https://tribune.com.pk/story/157974...nths-sbps-net-reserves-will-mere-4-5-billion/

There are many other links available which I have posted here. Just google the issue. Now with 8 Billion dollars as reserves you need to take care of payment towards deficit and loans ( domestic + international ). Lets see, your imports expectation for this Financial year is 23 billion dollars. Your amount through remittances is 19 billion dollars. Your imports for this financial year is 60 billion dollars. Add to this loan repayment in forex of about 8 billion dollars. Now lets do the math. ( https://nation.com.pk/10-Jan-2018/pakistan-s-trade-deficit-swells-to-18bn , https://www.thenews.com.pk/magazine/money-matters/260222-left-with-few-options )

(60+8)- ( 23+19) = 26 billion dollars.

Now this amount of 26 billion dollars is a huge gap. And this figure should make you realize why PML-N has taken 45 billion dollars of loans in the last four years.
So how do you avoid default. By approaching the IMF. But this time they will extract their pound of flesh. especially with trump as POTUS.

Also to give you another example, your forex reserves were 13.7 billion dollars in October 2016. You got sukuk/eurobond issued which added 2.5 billlion dollars in your reserves in November 2018. The amount was transferred to Pakistan in First week of Nov 2018. Now as on 05 Jan 2018 your forex reserves are again at the same level i.e 13.9 billion dollars. So 2.5 billion dollars disappeared in Just about 2 months.

Your forex are reducing by 1-1.5 billion every month. Your net forex are 8 billion dollars. So you will approach IMF. PML N will issue bonds again and take loans for the chinese till the care taker govt takes over. But imagine how screwed the care taker govt will be. Next time Pakistan approaches IMF the size of the facility will be around 15 billion dollars. hats a big amount and will carry very strict conditions.
 
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so cute indian concerned about Pakistan economy more then their own miserable indians....so sweet:enjoy:
 
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You people are missing the point, its not the debt which is the factor here but the ability to service the debt. From the list above who seems most likely to ask for a bailout package from IMF? Japan, Bhutan, India or Pakistan? Japan with its 250% debt to GDP ratio will be giving India USD 12 billion loan at 1% interest for its bullet train project. It will invest in the USD 90 billion DMIC project. USA with over 100% debt to GDP ratio donates money to various countries.



He just shares news articles and states his own point of view, Its quite refreshing to see people like you or him just posting their views in PDF without resorting to abuses on religion which is quite a rarity in PDF.
see my other post in other dozens of such threads, i have written pages on debt serviceability as well
currently its less than 15% of our revenues which is very manageable
lol

current account could be an issue, if ogvt doesnt take corrective steps now creating a foreign reserve crisis but seemingly govt did started to take measures for one it stop over protecting the rupee and floated bonds
i think it would need to float 2-3 billion dollars this april and all will be set
 
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You people are missing the point, its not the debt which is the factor here but the ability to service the debt. From the list above who seems most likely to ask for a bailout package from IMF?

Delusions or illusions of delusions!!!!

India’s Debt Trap – 25% Of The Budget Is Spent On Paying Of Debts


1. The Centre’s total debt is now a staggering Rs 4,700,000 crore. Include the states’ debt and India’s total government debt is Rs 6,500,000 crore, approximately 65% of its GDP. (US at 75% of GDP). 6% of the budget of the US goes towards interest payments, while 25% of India’s budget goes towards interest payments. The US reportedly borrows at a low 1-3 % while India borrows at 7-9%. Yes, the interest rates change based on different scenarios.

https://thelogicalindian.com/story-...25-of-the-budget-is-spent-on-paying-of-debts/


Talk on facts. And shove your misplaced patriotism in the place where the sun don't shine.

Delusions on a grand scale....


India pays one of the highest interest rates in the world on its debt, but shows no signs of curbing its borrowing

India is in a tight financial spot
India's current financial situation is similar to someone who spends 70k per month, earns 50k per month, and uses his credit card to fund the remaining 20k. Clearly, it is not a good financial situation to be in. In 2015-16, India spent more than 1.4x what it earned, and borrowed money to finance the deficit. In fact, the situation is so bad that the government now has to borrow more money to pay off its old loans, a situation that is known as a debt trap.


http://thebroadline.com/india-pays-one-of-the-highest-interest-rates-in-the.html?utm_term=brxutnmpet



@ziaulislam
 
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Delusions or illusions of delusions!!!!

India’s Debt Trap – 25% Of The Budget Is Spent On Paying Of Debts


1. The Centre’s total debt is now a staggering Rs 4,700,000 crore. Include the states’ debt and India’s total government debt is Rs 6,500,000 crore, approximately 65% of its GDP. (US at 75% of GDP). 6% of the budget of the US goes towards interest payments, while 25% of India’s budget goes towards interest payments. The US reportedly borrows at a low 1-3 % while India borrows at 7-9%. Yes, the interest rates change based on different scenarios.

https://thelogicalindian.com/story-...25-of-the-budget-is-spent-on-paying-of-debts/
LOL... the first comment on this portal run by an anti establishment troll is :

"This is a bullshit article filled with wrong facts!!!. Couldnt find anything supporting the numbers mentioned here."

LOL
 
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The post below will set out certain facts (again). Talk on facts. And shove your misplaced patriotism in the place where the sun don't shine. The issue is not just the ratio of debt but more importantly how you fund that debt. And cause Pakistan cannot, it keeps going Back to IMF again and again. With 8 billion dollars of net forex reserves how is Pakistan going to fund a deficit of 26 billion dollars is the question.

India debts are bad debts too...charity begins at home....

India is borrowing more and more to pay its existing loans, and that could wreck development dreams


If debt is bad, taking new loans to pay back old ones has all the makings of a debt trap and the Indian government seems to be doing just that. India owed Rs 57,75,685 crores to internal and external lenders in the financial year 2014-2015 – a whopping 46% of the country’s gross domestic product. And it turns out that 77% of all long-term borrowings made by the government were actually used to pay back interest and principal on earlier borrowings rather than being spent on development expenditure.

https://scroll.in/article/818686/in...loans-and-that-could-wreck-development-dreams


it keeps going Back to IMF again and again. With 8 billion dollars of net forex reserves how is Pakistan going to fund a deficit of 26 billion dollars is the question.

Time to stop worrying about Pakistan and start looking at home.

Pakistan’s external finance pressures still manageable, says Fitch


Importantly, there does not appear to have been a significant deterioration in Pakistan’s international financing conditions. Yields and credit default swaps on sovereign debt have generally been on a downward trend since mid-2016, and are low compared with 2013.

“The widening of the current-account deficit has exceeded our assumptions when we affirmed Pakistan’s rating at ‘B’/Stable in February,” the rating agency said. “We had expected higher capital imports and a gradual recovery in energy prices to widen the current-account deficit to 1.6pc of GDP in FY17 and 2pc in FY18, from 1.2pc in FY16.”


https://www.dawn.com/news/1334040

foreign reserve crisis but seemingly govt did started to take measures for one it stop over protecting the rupee and floated bonds
i think it would need to float 2-3 billion dollars this april and all will be set



Doesn't remittances in USD ads up to and replenishes the foreign exchange reserves as much as FDI and exports and other sources do, Pakistan gets about 21 billion USD as remittances as much as the exports earnings and is keeping the reserves from being going insolvent...


Remittances grow to $9.7bn in six months, SBP reports

https://www.dawn.com/news/1382108/remittances-grow-to-97bn-in-six-months-sbp-reports

...and unlike in India where the remittances has dropped to 62 billion USD from 72 billion USD in recent years, Pakistan remittances is on the upsurge...


and this is a DAWN reports published yesterday....




Economic growth to pick up pace in Pakistan, says World Bank report

ISLAMABAD: The World Bank says that economic growth in Pakistan is forecast to increase to 5.5 per cent in the fiscal year 2017-18, and reach an average of 5.9 per cent over the medium term on the back of continued robust domestic consumption, rising investment and a recovery in exports.

However, the main risks to the outlook are domestic, including fiscal slippages, increasing liabilities related to infrastructure projects, slippages relating to upcoming general elections and weak tax revenues that can derail fiscal consolidation efforts, warns the Global Economic Prospects report published by the bank on Wednesday.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1382184/economic-growth-to-pick-up-pace-in-pakistan-says-world-bank-report

Govt debt is nothing but money taken from public by issuing govt bonds.


this includes the figure of state debt and India's government debt. Pakistan debt figure also includes state debt and government debt in USD.

Include the states’ debt and India’s total government debt is Rs 6,500,000 crore, approximately 65% of its GDP. (US at 75% of GDP). 6% of the budget of the US goes towards interest payments, while 25% of India’s budget goes towards interest payments. The US reportedly borrows at a low 1-3 % while India borrows at 7-9%. Yes, the interest rates change based on different scenarios.

Unlike pakistan most Indian debt is owned by the Indian people.


Not true, the 70% debt to GDP figure for India includes the state debt and the government debt as well, very similar to Pakistan.
 
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Not true, the 70% debt to GDP figure for India includes the state debt and the government debt as well, very similar to Pakistan.

Understand the quote before replying to it. Nobody is arguing that the figures given of 67.5% is borrowings done by the Govt. Its the source of borrowing which we are stating. Govt of India borrows from its people, so it is not answerable to foreign institutions unlike Pakistan.
 
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Understand the quote before replying to it. Nobody is arguing that the figures given of 67.5% is borrowings done by the Govt. Its the source of borrowing which we are stating. Govt of India borrows from its people, so it is not answerable to foreign institutions unlike Pakistan.


Juvenile post...India foreign external debts is about 495 billion USD...what Indian state borrows from local banks is a separate thing, included in the total debt, internal and external...to put it in a simple way.

External Debt in India increased to 495700 USD Million in the third quarter of 2017 from 485800 USD Million in the second quarter of 2017. External Debt in India averaged 263381.70 USD Million from 1999 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 495700 USD Million in the third quarter of 2017 and a record low of 96392 USD Million in the third quarter of 2000.


https://tradingeconomics.com/india/external-debt
 
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Mian sab, dur fittay mo apka aor apki government ka.

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