Pakistan's Ballistic Missle Defence Systems?

[Max]

Why should we waste billions developing ABMs when our enemies can counter it easily with spending few millions on MRV and MIRV tech? we should rather spend this money on credible sea based deterrence aka Nuclear submarine with MIRVed SLBM's..

 

[Hassan Guy]

Why should we waste billions developing ABMs when our enemies can counter it easily with spending few millions on MRV and MIRV tech? we should rather spend this money on credible sea based deterrence aka Nuclear submarine with MIRVed SLBM's..

 

[Imran Khan]

our current missile defense system ?


pray to god exploding missiles mid air

 

[A2Z]

The fallacy of MIRVs and hyper-sonic gliders: we will have the opportunity to use them.

With 100% guarantee, India doesn't have the resources to monitor our nuclear facilities, warheads, missile launchers.

With 100% guarantee, the America+Israel+Britain+France nexus has the ability to monitor us, and ARE monitoring us.

With 100% guarantee, the America+Israel+Britain+France nexus feels the world is an unsafe place because Pakistan has nukes.

With 100% guarantee, India will strike with a solid backing of, and with intelligence from, the America+Israel+Britain+France nexus.

Now that we have changed the goal posts with MIRVs, we have changed the face of war. India would be foolish to give us the opportunity to use them. The 'Indian Cold Start' should not be viewed as a massive tank assault across our Eastern border. The Indian cold start will come in the form of a massive, acute, and completely surprise attack after months and years of careful intelligence gathering by the world's best intelligence agencies. India will simply be a front for the war. The full technological prowess of major powers will be utilized against us.

The first phase of the attack will disable our EW and radar capabilities. And with all of our AD infrastructure bought from foreign vendors, this will be literally a piece of cake. What the West sells, the West fears not.

The second phase attacks will be from B-2 Spirit Bombers, F-22 raptors, missile strikes. It will be a saturation attack to take out our nuclear facilities, our mobile launchers, and sites of warhead storage.

Once the claws are taken out, we would be left at Indian mercy.

Those who think MIRVs and hypersonic vehicles will save us, live in a fool's paradise. We need comprehensive Air Defence capabilities that we can actually rely upon.

What you are describing is a World War 3 scenario not an Indo-Pak conflict.

 

[CriticalThought]

What you are describing is a World War 3 scenario not an Indo-Pak conflict.

India is not stupid enough to act alone.

The America+Israel+UK+France nexus will work from the shadows. The B-2 Spirit and F-22s will do their jobs silently. The intelligence sharing with India won't be noticed by anyone.

Think about it. Much of our Air Defence infrastructure is sourced from Western countries. What the West giveth, the West fears not.

 

[Fawad alam]

Can we upgrade the Chini Hq-9 anti access denial to something more like S-400 systems.
This thing is probably deployed around GHQ
We need something like the A-135 anti-ballistic missile system deployed in major cities like Islamabad ,Rawalpindi lahoris and Karachis
Now that Pakistan has got MIRV Tech ,Can we start freakin launching our own satellites in space now?
Why do we need the russian cosmodrones and launch sites ,we should go for more home-grown approach or don't do anything at all.
Can we launch somthing like a STSS system in orbit to aid and identify.

Huge money has to be pumped into SUPARCO ,these guys are a dead horse.

HQ-19 is good solution if we can spare money from corruption.

 

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No. We need to rather invest in offensive warhead delivery technology like the hypersonic glide vehicles and MIRV which render enemy's ABMDS worth billions of dollars useless and therefore create deterrence. Pakistan will not survive a nuclear war due to it geographic limitations, therefore our first priority ought to be to retain the capability to attack and annihilate India. Our best defense is to make sure our nuclear forces can bypass any ABMDS India puts into action.

You do know that MIRV can be intercepted during mid-course range ? with technological advancements in the future its more likely that MIRV technology will be concentrated more towards conventional than non-conventional weapons..

I agree with you that it is expensive but we can try developing something like a next generation HQ-19,The Ukrainian and turks are working on a Long range system like the grom , why not get them all together on one deal or learn from their existing experience ,Invest in all those i mentioned and make one jointly with China.

We need a BMDS because it is the future ,we can't stay where Pakistan stands today ,Probably the only nuclear power nation that is hugely behind other countries in Space and BMDS .
We have only 3-4 HQ-19s
Even Iran has a better Space agency than our dead horse suparco ,Which only saw heights of its glories back in the day my grandfather was in high school in the 60s ,That too thanks to people like abdus salam and WJM turowicz but sadly now only observes weather patterns for CPEC projects.

our current missile defense system ?


pray to god exploding missiles mid air

You forgot his S-500 rocket launcher to shoot down balistic misle

 

[I S I]

DAFUQ is that poll.

I like to get Nuked on daily basis.

our current missile defense system ?


pray to god exploding missiles mid air

Fun fact: A Nuke exploding in mid air will be 10x more deadly.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Or we should do what Russia does.
They built underground bunkers which can host 40 million people.

We should build those in the main cities. Majority of our population lives in these cities and around the Indus river.
After a Nuclear war we can wait a few decades until the radiation is all gone and rebuild the country after that.

Make sure the bunkers have railways to balochistan so we can live there temporarily during that time because that place wont be nuked.

In India's case doing something like this is impossible.

So Pakistan's nuclear policy should be to leave no square metre of India Un-nuked.

A few decades? After some place is nuked depending on the output of the nuclear device that was detonated the effects last much longer than just a few decades. The soil can retain those effects for a much longer period. All of Pakistan will essentially become infertile for a really long time. How would those millions(held underground) survive with no food? There will be no economy left, no industry, no infrastructure.

Let's just hope that it never happens and the best way of ensuring that it doesn't happen is to have the capability to fully annihilate India. Only MAD scenario can deter both nations from this insanity.

 

[LeGenD]

No. We need to rather invest in offensive warhead delivery technology like the hypersonic glide vehicles and MIRV which render enemy's ABMDS worth billions of dollars useless and therefore create deterrence. Pakistan will not survive a nuclear war due to it geographic limitations, therefore our first priority ought to be to retain the capability to attack and annihilate India. Our best defense is to make sure our nuclear forces can bypass any ABMDS India puts into action.

Sir,

Experts have proposed the concept of Multiple Kill Vehicle (MKV) to counter MiRV capable missiles in recent years. You can learn about it here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/mkv.htm

Sooner or later, MKV will become a reality. Progress highlighted here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/mkv-program.htm

Here is an actual footage of experiments with MKV in laboratory setting:

Their is also the option to intercept a ballistic missile during the Midcourse of its flight. It would be unwise to underestimate the threat of ABM program of India should it approach an advanced stage of capability at some point in the future with assistance from technologically-advanced countries such as Russia, Israel and USA. This might not happen anytime soon but you never know.

ABM program may not be a pressing concern right now but we won't have the luxury to ignore this matter for long. I wish that we have the economic muscle to commence such a program in the future.

 

[Kompromat]

As I said, 'offensive' capabilities are a priority, defensive capabilities while important, come second.

Sir,

Experts have proposed the concept of Multiple Kill Vehicle (MKV) to counter MiRV capable missiles in recent years. You can learn about it here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/mkv.htm

Sooner or later, MKV will become a reality. Progress highlighted here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/mkv-program.htm

Here is an actual footage of experiments with MKV in laboratory setting:

Their is also the option to intercept a ballistic missile during the Midcourse of its flight. It would be unwise to underestimate the threat of ABM program of India should it approach an advanced stage of capability with assistance from technologically-advanced countries such as Russia, Israel and USA at some point in the future.

Pakistan should look into options for developing an ABM capability of its own or collaborate with China or Turkey in this regard. We won't have the luxury to ignore this matter for long.

 

[Basel]

Sir,

Experts have proposed the concept of Multiple Kill Vehicle (MKV) to counter MiRV capable missiles in recent years. You can learn about it here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/mkv.htm

Sooner or later, MKV will become a reality. Progress highlighted here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/mkv-program.htm

Here is an actual footage of experiments with MKV in laboratory setting:

Their is also the option to intercept a ballistic missile during the Midcourse of its flight. It would be unwise to underestimate the threat of ABM program of India should it approach an advanced stage of capability with assistance from technologically-advanced countries such as Russia, Israel and USA at some point in the future.

Pakistan should look into options for developing an ABM capability of its own or collaborate with China or Turkey in this regard. We won't have the luxury to ignore this matter for long.

To start Pakistan should get systems like Aster30 block-1NT or S-300VM (latest version) or Chinese eqvivalant to have some BMD capability.

 

[Hassan Guy]

A few decades? After some place is nuked depending on the output of the nuclear device that was detonated the effects last much longer than just a few decades. The soil can retain those effects for a much longer period. All of Pakistan will essentially become infertile for a really long time. How would those millions(held underground) survive with no food? There will be no economy left, no industry, no infrastructure.

Let's just hope that it never happens and the best way of ensuring that it doesn't happen is to have the capability to fully annihilate India. Only MAD scenario can deter both nations from this insanity.

If you read properly:

The Bunkers should have railways to areas that have not been nuked (Like Balochistan).

So we can relocate the country there for as long as needed.

 

[Cookie Monster]

If you read properly:

The Bunkers should have railways to areas that have not been nuked (Like Balochistan).

So we can relocate the country there for as long as needed.

I did read. What u didn't read is the whole destroyed economy part. How will those millions of survivors be supported in Balochistan?

Also who is to say Balochistan will survive? If India strategically detonates it's warheads in midair over key areas, it has enough nuclear weapons to blanket all of Pakistan.

 

[Hassan Guy]

I did read. What u didn't read is the whole destroyed economy part. How will those millions of survivors be supported in Balochistan?

Also who is to say Balochistan will survive? If India strategically detonates it's warheads in midair over key areas, it has enough nuclear weapons to blanket all of Pakistan.

Why would they nuke empty deserts?

Plus by that point all of India should be nuked, so no threat.