Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[Basel]

These 8 inch SPHs are out of service with most armies. There are no upgrades ongoing for them. We are maintaining them to the standards originally built.

Why they are obsolete for most armies? is it not worth it? if yes then why PA is maintaining them what capability those add which other systems in PA don't offer?

 

[Tacticool]

The blue sandbags were probably what was available to prepare the gun emplacement. These guns are usually deployed in secure rear locations where the chances of attack are fairly low due to the security around.

These blue bags were for foundation later covered with mud. Compare two pics of arty gun

 

[fatman17]

I know that we did export Bakthars Shikans to them but never about the KRL-122 ...good to know.

B/Shikans were exported to Malaysia.

 

[fatman17]

Artillery

acquisitions of artillery with advanced capabilities is in marked contrast to the problems being experienced by the indian army in this domain.

Self-Propelled Howitzers
it was decided in 2005 that the army urgently required more self-propelled medium and heavy artillery pieces, and agreement with the US was reached in 2006 for supply of M109A5 155mm SPH at an estimated cost of USD56m. deliveries were completed in 2010, with the order totalling 115 units.
NORINCO may also supply approx. 90 SH1 155mm SPH although no contract negotiations have been announced.

155mm M109A2 - 200 in service
155mm M109A5 - 115 in service
203mm M110A2 - 40 in service (60 original)
105mm M7 - 50 in service (kept in reserve)

Towed Howitzers
in 2007, 12 turkish 155mm T-155 Panter towed howitzers were delivered and it is understood that local assembly has been undertaken in Pakistan, at the HIT facility for a further 18 platforms. ammo for the T-155 is also being manufactured domestically by POF under a deal signed in 2008 with Nexter munitions of France. additionally Pakistan has purchased 10 artillery simulators from Turkey, the first of which entered service at the School of Artillery in 2008.

105mm Model 56P - Pack Howitzer - 110 in service
105mm M101 - Howitzer - 216 in service (original 300)
122mm Type 83 (D-30) - Howitzer - 143 in service
122mm Type 54 (M-30) - Howitzer - 490 in service
155mm M198 - Howitzer - 124 in service
155mm M114 - Howitzer - 144 in service
155mm T-155 Panter - Howitzer - 30 in service and / or assembly underway.
8in (203mm) M115 - Howitzer - 28 in service.
130mm Type 59-1 (M-46) - Field Gun - 400 in service
85mm Type 56 - Field Gun - 180 in service
100mm Type 59 - Field Gun - n/a
122mm Type 60 (D-74) - Field Gun - 200 in service
155mm M59 - Medium Gun - 30 in service

Multiple Rocket Launcher System
Pakistan is developing its own MRLS, the Azar. this is likely being done in conjunction with China as it appears similar to the Chinese Type 81. Pakistan may also have an agreement to acquire 36 300mm A100 MRLS from China, but formal details have not been forthcoming.

107mm Type 81 - MRS - n/a
122mm Type 83 (Azar) - MRS - 45 in service
122mm BM-11 - MRS - n/a
122mm HE Yarmuk - MRS - n/a

Self-Propelled Mortars
Pakistan is seeking to procure self-propelled mortar systems to equip mechanized infantry formations with indigenous firepower to complement the recent improvement in Pakistans SP artillery formations. this capability is seen as a requirement given the planned increases in the number of fully mechanized formations, but both the Artillery Directorate and Strike Corps are more concerned with the effectiveness of SP Howitzers, and hence mortar procurement is likely to take second place and be based around converted M113's or similar systems.

120mm - Heavy Mortar - n/a
81mm - Light Mortar - n/a
60mm - Light Mortar - n/a

 

[monitor]

@Fatman Are Pakistan going to produce A100 under license ? a reputed Indian defence blog is reporting .

 

[fatman17]

@Fatman Are Pakistan going to produce A100 under license ? a reputed Indian defence blog is reporting .

very likely as they seem to have the capability.

 

[Inception-06]

BL 5.5-inch Medium Gun British artillery gun in service with the Pakistan Artillary in Kargil war 1999.


Pakistani soldiers examine the British-made long range gun at Brasil Chu, 2 kilometers from the Line of Control, Tuesday, June 15, 1999 aiming at Kargil sector in India.

 

[Inception-06]

PAKISTANI 130mm heavy Guns on the way to to the Frontline !

Recently arrived heavy artillery guns are parked at Rawlpindi railway station for onward destiny at Pakistan-India border, Monday, June 28, 1999.

Pakistani soldier fixes target to Indian post in Gultari sector in northern Pakistan at the Line of Control between Pakistan and India, Thursday, Aug 29, 2002.

 

[Alpha1]

Source: SIPRI Arms transfer Database

 

[Inception-06]

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Source: SIPRI Arms transfer Database

Have we still such HIGH (ca.400) numbers of the M30 122mm Gun in service ? (last time I did see this guns was in 2009 in operation against TTP).

Pakistani army troops arrive with their artillery in the Umar Abad area outside the troubled Buner district on April 29, 2009.

 

[fatman17]

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Source: SIPRI Arms transfer Database

already posted. bhai check kia karo before posting

Have we still such HIGH (ca.400) numbers of the M30 122mm Gun in service ? (last time I did see this guns was in 2009 in operation against TTP).

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Pakistani army troops arrive with their artillery in the Umar Abad area outside the troubled Buner district on April 29, 2009.

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if a weapon is well maintained as these artillery assets are, they still remain effective, as in this case against militants.

 

[niaz]

Hon Fatman 17,

I see you have included Chinese field guns under ‘Towed Howitzer’. To the best of my knowledge Type -59 Field Gun is a copy of Russian M-46 Towed Gun and not a Howitzer. Is there any other ‘GUN’ (capable of firing at angles less than 45 degree) in Pak Army service?

 

[MilSpec]

i herd india was modrenising its Big guns?

nopes....

 

[fatman17]

Hon Fatman 17,

I see you have included Chinese field guns under ‘Towed Howitzer’. To the best of my knowledge Type -59 Field Gun is a copy of Russian M-46 Towed Gun and not a Howitzer. Is there any other ‘GUN’ (capable of firing at angles less than 45 degree) in Pak Army service?

sir it is a field gun.

 

[niaz]

sir it is a field gun.

Thanks, just wanted to know that in addition to the Chinese guns do we have other field guns (Not howitzers) in PA inventory.