Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[Kompromat]

Well I said what I heard from people deployed on LOC in the past, specifically how impractical deployment of heavy vehicles is on LOC.

This is not classified as a heavy weapon and it is perfectly suited for taking our dug in positions. The vehicle is mobile and it won't be an easy pick for ATGMs.

 

[AMG_12]

This is not classified as a heavy weapon and it is perfectly suited for taking our dug in positions. The vehicle is mobile and it won't be an easy pick for ATGMs.

It's pretty heavy if you consider that most of our posts aren't even accessible by roads and you've to use mules to supply them. It's mobile but for a terrain different than LOC. Yeah, we do have some low laying areas towards the south but those are supplemented by armoured corps in Gujranwala and Sialkot. So again it come to the plains.

 

[Army research]

It's pretty heavy if you consider that most of our posts aren't even accessible by roads and you've to use mules to supply them. It's mobile but for a terrain different than LOC. Yeah, we do have some low laying areas towards the south but those are supplemented by armoured corps in Gujranwala and Sialkot. So again it come to the plains.

I think what sir horus is saying ,
The loc is not one line , there's forward posts behind them company HQ( firaeupport base with mortar and company sniper plus HMG and anti bunker anti air ) behind them is the battalion HQ with heavy weapons support , a vehicle like that could easily reach at least the battalion HQ if not the company HQ , thus can be used On the ' LOC ' but not on the actual line that divides
I hope this answers?

 

[Zarvan]

This is not classified as a heavy weapon and it is perfectly suited for taking our dug in positions. The vehicle is mobile and it won't be an easy pick for ATGMs.

 

[Zarvan]

AirShow China 2018: Poly Technology Type 66 152mm 6x6 mobile gun howitzer


Chinese Company Poly Technology unveils one new wheeled vehicle mounted Type 66 152mm gun howitzer during AirShow China 2018, Aerospace and Aviation Defense Exhibition that was held in Zhuhai from the 6 to 11 November 2018. The vehicle is based on a 6x6 cross country light truck chassis manufactured by the Chinese Company Xiaolong Automotive Technology Co., Ltd.

Poly Technology Type 66 152mm mobile gun-howitzer at AirShow China 2018, Zhuhai. (Picture source Army Recognition)

The Type 66 mobile gun howitzer is fitted with a four doors armor cabin mounted at the front of the chassis which provide a protection for the crew against small arms firing and shell splinters. The rear part of the vehicle is fitted with a Type 66 152mm howitzer, but it can be also fitted with the PL-96 122mm howitzer, a Chinese copy of the Russian towed howitzer D-30, in this configuration the vehicle is called SH2.

This mobile artillery howitzer has a crew of four and a combat weight of around 18,000 kg. It can fire at a maximum firing range of 22 km. Aiming of the artillery system can be performed in manual and automatic mode. It can come into action in less than 1 minute and come out of action in a similar period. The first shell can be fired in less than 30 seconds.

The vehicle is also is equipped with two hydraulically operated stabilizers mounted at the rear of the chassis which are lowered on the ground in firing position.

The Type 66 is the Chinese version of the Russian 152 mm gun-howitzer D-20. It differs in appearance from the original in few details. It has 152 mm /L26 ordnance and is capable of direct and indirect firing.

The Type 66 can fire different types of ammunition including fragmentation, High-Explosive Fragmentation (HE-FRAG), High Explosive (HE), concrete-busting, and illumination rounds. China also developed number indigenous projectiles for this howitzer, including rocket-assisted projectiles.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/air...gy_type_66_152mm_6x6_mobile_gun_howitzer.html

 

[AMG_12]

I think what sir horus is saying ,
The loc is not one line , there's forward posts behind them company HQ( firaeupport base with mortar and company sniper plus HMG and anti bunker anti air ) behind them is the battalion HQ with heavy weapons support , a vehicle like that could easily reach at least the battalion HQ if not the company HQ , thus can be used On the ' LOC ' but not on the actual line that divides
I hope this answers?

No, he mentioned dug up positions which are right in front of Indian positions, usually entrenched in the forests. You don't park these vehicles in your Rear HQs. It makes the idea of their deployment on LOC redundant.

 

[CriticalThought]

For some reason, a buddy deployed on LOC didn't say what you're saying when I shared this with him a few days back.

Biggest lesson to learn from China: roads are a necessity for modern warfare. We should develop the capability to build roads in the most unforgiving of terrains. I mean, what plan do we have in any future war? Supply through mules????

 

[Army research]

No, he mentioned dug up positions which are right in front of Indian positions, usually entrenched in the forests. You don't park these vehicles in your Rear HQs. It makes the idea of their deployment on LOC redundant.

My bad then, but company head quarters are within 12.7 range of enemy , could go there

 

[Hassan Guy]

AirShow China 2018: Poly Technology Type 66 152mm 6x6 mobile gun howitzer


Chinese Company Poly Technology unveils one new wheeled vehicle mounted Type 66 152mm gun howitzer during AirShow China 2018, Aerospace and Aviation Defense Exhibition that was held in Zhuhai from the 6 to 11 November 2018. The vehicle is based on a 6x6 cross country light truck chassis manufactured by the Chinese Company Xiaolong Automotive Technology Co., Ltd.

Poly Technology Type 66 152mm mobile gun-howitzer at AirShow China 2018, Zhuhai. (Picture source Army Recognition)

The Type 66 mobile gun howitzer is fitted with a four doors armor cabin mounted at the front of the chassis which provide a protection for the crew against small arms firing and shell splinters. The rear part of the vehicle is fitted with a Type 66 152mm howitzer, but it can be also fitted with the PL-96 122mm howitzer, a Chinese copy of the Russian towed howitzer D-30, in this configuration the vehicle is called SH2.

This mobile artillery howitzer has a crew of four and a combat weight of around 18,000 kg. It can fire at a maximum firing range of 22 km. Aiming of the artillery system can be performed in manual and automatic mode. It can come into action in less than 1 minute and come out of action in a similar period. The first shell can be fired in less than 30 seconds.

The vehicle is also is equipped with two hydraulically operated stabilizers mounted at the rear of the chassis which are lowered on the ground in firing position.

The Type 66 is the Chinese version of the Russian 152 mm gun-howitzer D-20. It differs in appearance from the original in few details. It has 152 mm /L26 ordnance and is capable of direct and indirect firing.

The Type 66 can fire different types of ammunition including fragmentation, High-Explosive Fragmentation (HE-FRAG), High Explosive (HE), concrete-busting, and illumination rounds. China also developed number indigenous projectiles for this howitzer, including rocket-assisted projectiles.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/air...gy_type_66_152mm_6x6_mobile_gun_howitzer.html

bro if HIT can't put something like this together then big time laanat

 

[Zarvan]

 

[Type59]

Laser guided weaponry for artillery should be introduced. The guided mortar would be very effective in loc. Very easy to conceal.

 

[denel]

Biggest lesson to learn from China: roads are a necessity for modern warfare. We should develop the capability to build roads in the most unforgiving of terrains. I mean, what plan do we have in any future war? Supply through mules????

you know that is what happens in the worst of cases. nothing wrong with mules ... it was done in height of soviet afghan war

 

[Psychic]

Biggest lesson to learn from China: roads are a necessity for modern warfare. We should develop the capability to build roads in the most unforgiving of terrains. I mean, what plan do we have in any future war? Supply through mules????

1- Roads cannot be built everywhere e.g on isolated posts up on a mountain.
2- Our forces are deployed to cover large rugged frontiers on both Eastern and Western borders. Not every area is suitable for roads.
3- Armies even employ human porters, mules are a far better option.
4- Roads cost money.
5- What about friendly forces occupying an enemy area with no roads?
6- Watch the video and think about this

 

[CriticalThought]

you know that is what happens in the worst of cases. nothing wrong with mules ... it was done in height of soviet afghan war

1- Roads cannot be built everywhere e.g on isolated posts up on a mountain.
2- Our forces are deployed to cover large rugged frontiers on both Eastern and Western borders. Not every area is suitable for roads.
3- Armies even employ human porters, mules are a far better option.
4- Roads cost money.
5- What about friendly forces occupying an enemy area with no roads?
6- Watch the video and think about this

China has shown that construction is possible in the worst of terrains. Difficult terrain is no longer an excuse. The point IS that there should be no such thing as 'remote outpost'.

Roads are not just for supplies. They also enable armor and heavy artillery to get closer. The mule capability should be there, but it should not be the first recourse.

For difficult terrain in hostile territory, we need a good number of supply helis.

Finally, the noise made by the robot vehicle in the video will attract fire and give away the position.

 

[Cuirassier]

Laser guided weaponry for artillery should be introduced. The guided mortar would be very effective in loc. Very easy to conceal.

Only if we use 120mm or 160mm mortars as the rest have little impact on reinforced sanghars.