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Only if pigs could fly.
Pakistan's army calls for India talks
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Only if pigs could fly.
You are correct, Pak Army can never leave Siachen, because it is nowhere on Siachen glacier.
Your army chief is definitely interested in getting out of Siachen area, you can register your objections of leaving siachen with him. I am sure if you volunteer to occupy the posts for him he will agree not to leave the area.
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yes we are not in siachen, but till we remain, siachen will make a hell for you there...
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as for people speaking abiut strategic importance, if siachen is so strategic then what is india waiting for, it should immediately start utilising the siachen location blah blah
I agree with you fully, if pigs could fly, they would be on siachen too.
I agree with you too, there is one and only one reason to occupy siachen, and that is not its strategic value, thinking rationally will make you realize the real reason. Apparently recent events have justified the cause of occupying Siachen from Indias perspective.
If life was hell only for us guys up there, your army chief would not be talking about withdrawal in the first place.
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Yea! Army chief supported bileteral talk ,it means that now its on indian establishment that how they react, Isn't indian public were also demanding for peace in siachin.. But the problem is indian forces who never supported peace. Well ! now the problem is that If india let this time go then their would be very less chances for offering peaceful talks. cuz it would become an example that how india again hasn't shown his concerns and interest in peace talks. well keep in mind that more then 4500 indian soldiers are already died in Siachin's avalanche and clashes which is more then twice amount of Pakistani soldiers. but still we are caring more about soldiers then you. it reflects that their is no value of human life in india.
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This is wholly untrue.
The Indian Army has never obstructed any peace effort. It has only emphasised that any agreement to hand over territory on the borders have to be run past them first. There are too many horrible examples of what civilians acting on their own without consulting the army managed to bungle. The handing back of Haji Pir Pass is a prime example not the only one.
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Leaving ur asinine comments about our value for life, i appreciate this gesture by Mr. kayani, Also accept ur point that this is the time to grab this chance. We both shouldn't let this go.
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Indians only understand language of aggression.Look how China kicked their butt in 1962 and it has affected every single Indian.You can easily see the fear of Chinese on Indians - We can't thank GOD enough that we got nukes otherwise i doubt Pakistan would be standing united today and about life: well millions of people die in India every year ( It has more poor then Entire Africa).
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India shouldn't discuss Siachen with Pakistan.they occupied parts of Kashmir and they dont want to admit that,but as India captured Siachen and Pakistan can't afford to post soldiers there,they want to discuss the matter...but what about 26/11 dossier???hafiz saeed???Terrorist camp???
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llisten and listen very good. both forces are losing their soldiers in place not by the enmy but by the weather and that place offers no strategic advantage as all those advantages have been annulled by each other you r on the top and we r at the bottom and thus neither can u come down nor we can come up. if you cant to make the illegal occupation of kashmir speech the siachin will never end and both forces will keep losing men forever.
i say give peace one chance lets talk it down on siachin either both leave the post or siachin in exchange for sir creek or the other way around its a give and take situation. we cant keep fighting forever and this smaller issues are what need to be done first before any headway is made about kshmir as all
pakistan cant afford is not true. its a strain on both economies and plz dont ramble about how our economy is best any economy will feel the brunt. this event has shown us that troops are not dieing bcz of en enemies but bcz of nature and cold and is it truly worth it. thats why peace talks are being called in so that the situation can be finally resolved we are neighbors like it or not we have to solve our differences by solving the smaller issues can we solve the bigger ones like kashmir
Today our economy is US$ 2 trillions and Pakistani army chief is asking for peace by next year we will have GST and the economy will take US$ 500 billion jump and by 2015 we will be US$ 3 trillion economy.
One can only imagine the scene after that.
We just sit back and relax.
Don't go for any talks and negotiations, build our economy and defense.
everything will be settle to our wishes.
Peaceful co-existence necessary for both India and Pak: Pak army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani : Pakistan News - India Today
Pak Army pitches for peace Lastupdate:- Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:30:00 GMT GreaterKashmir.com
Pak talks peace in Siachen, but wages propaganda war
There’s something about the rarefied atmosphere in the snowy heights of the Siachen glacier that induces Pakistan’s army officials and politicians to talk peace with India.
Pakistan army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani was in Siachen on Wednesday to oversee the rescue operations for the Pakistani soldiers who were buried by an avalanche in early April. And he used the occasion to talk ‘peace’ – and launch a propaganda war against India.
Calling for the demilitarisation of the Siachen glacier, Kayani noted that the “dispute” over this remote iceland had been discussed several times between India and Pakistan.“Sometimes we get close to a resolution but then issues come up.”
Kayani, who was addressing principally an international group of journalists and was evidently channeling a propagandist message, went so far as to advocate “peaceful coexistence” with India. The irony of such a motherhood statement coming from the head of a military organisation that spawns and protects jihadi outfits to wage “proxy war against India” was lost on both Kayani and his audience.
The General sings a peace song, but he fails to convince. Reuters
Barely days earlier, former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif too visited Siachen – and advocated more radically that Pakistan should initiate the process of troop withdraw from Siachen. But that peacenik message was shot down by Interior Minister A Rehman Malik who thundered that “every inch” of Pakistan was “sacred” and that Pakistan would never withdraw its troops from Siachen unilaterally.
How does one explain this outbreak of a “peace epidemic” in Pakistan, where even the head of the Army chief is talking of demilitarisation of Siachen and “peaceful coexistence” with India?
On the face of it, the standoff between India and Pakistan over the Siachen glacier is worthy of a Joseph Heller satire on the idiocy of war and conflict. The block of ice, some 90 km long and 50 km wide, where as was famously said on another occasion, not a blade of grass grows, was not even considered worthy of occupation until the 1970s. It is one of the most inhospitable terrains in the world, and yet Indian troops have held it since they seized it in 1984.
Pakistan’s memory of the Siachen dispute traces only from 1984, but the Indian operation, codenamed ‘Meghdoot’, happened in a specific context: in the mid 1970s, Pakistan began to publish maps claiming Siachen as its own, and began to allow international mountaineers (accompanied by Pakistan army officials) to visit the peak. Sensing the creeping loss of Siachen, with enormous strategic consequences, the Indian Army persuaded Prime Minister Indira Gandhi of the imperative of taking the glacier. To her eternal credit, she went along with it, displaying decisiveness that is so lacking in civilian leaderships today.
The nearest that the Siachen dispute came to a resolution was in June 1989, when the two sides outlined the contours of a solution after the fifth round of talks. But from there on, propaganda takes over.
The Pakistan side claims that the Indian army sabotaged a peace agreement. The official Pakistani perception is illustrated in this editorial, which claims, that the Indian Army “has been a key impediment to resolving the deadlock … over Siachen. American officials have reported…. That while the Indian prime minister has wanted to show flexibility in negotiations, pressure from the army has not allowed him to do so.”
But in fact, the Indian army and the civilian administration are on the same page on Siachen. The real problem that is holding up a resolution is Pakistan’s unwillingness to demarcate the positions held by both sides on the ground – because it would authenticate its past attempts to seize Siachen by stealth.
As Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal PV Naik observed last year, the talks cannot make progress until the Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL) was demarcated –and authenticated.
“The main issue over Siachen is that there is no clear marking of what we call the AGPL. If both sides have to vacate this position, the AGPL needs to be marked and internationally approved,” Naik added. Until then, it would be folly for India to surrender the advantage it holds.
In any case, Siachen’s strategic significance today has less to do with Pakistan and more to do with China, given the proximity of the Karakoram Pass, and the presence of Chinese troops in parts of ***************** Kashmir (***).
And as the Kargil episode (where Pakistani army troopers, masquerading as jihadi fighers, sought to cut the Siachen supply line) reveals, Pakistan cannot be trusted to abide by its agreements. The next Army chief in Pakistan may be more adventurous and less inclined to honour any peace agreement that may be signed today.
Rather than address the real issue that is holding up forward movement on a resolution of the Siachen dispute, there is little point in Kayani taking the moral high ground with pious baloney about “peaceful coexistence”.
It makes for great headlines, and resonates with the incorrigible peaceniks in India. But for anyone who knows the history of the Siachen dispute, this is merely another salvo in the long-running propaganda war that Pakistan has been waging.
Given Pakistan’s record of talking peace when it is down militarily and economically – and waging wars and proxy wars when it gains a foothold, there is no earthly reason to be so easily swayed by the peace melody that even its army chiefs are singing today.
Pak talks peace in Siachen, but wages propaganda war | Firstpost
One can only imagine the scene after that.
We just sit back and relax.
Don't go for any talks and negotiations, build our economy and defense.
everything will be settle to our wishes.
Peaceful co-existence necessary for both India and Pak: Pak army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani : Pakistan News - India Today
Pak Army pitches for peace Lastupdate:- Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:30:00 GMT GreaterKashmir.com
Pak talks peace in Siachen, but wages propaganda war
There’s something about the rarefied atmosphere in the snowy heights of the Siachen glacier that induces Pakistan’s army officials and politicians to talk peace with India.
Pakistan army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani was in Siachen on Wednesday to oversee the rescue operations for the Pakistani soldiers who were buried by an avalanche in early April. And he used the occasion to talk ‘peace’ – and launch a propaganda war against India.
Calling for the demilitarisation of the Siachen glacier, Kayani noted that the “dispute” over this remote iceland had been discussed several times between India and Pakistan.“Sometimes we get close to a resolution but then issues come up.”
Kayani, who was addressing principally an international group of journalists and was evidently channeling a propagandist message, went so far as to advocate “peaceful coexistence” with India. The irony of such a motherhood statement coming from the head of a military organisation that spawns and protects jihadi outfits to wage “proxy war against India” was lost on both Kayani and his audience.
The General sings a peace song, but he fails to convince. Reuters
Barely days earlier, former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif too visited Siachen – and advocated more radically that Pakistan should initiate the process of troop withdraw from Siachen. But that peacenik message was shot down by Interior Minister A Rehman Malik who thundered that “every inch” of Pakistan was “sacred” and that Pakistan would never withdraw its troops from Siachen unilaterally.
How does one explain this outbreak of a “peace epidemic” in Pakistan, where even the head of the Army chief is talking of demilitarisation of Siachen and “peaceful coexistence” with India?
On the face of it, the standoff between India and Pakistan over the Siachen glacier is worthy of a Joseph Heller satire on the idiocy of war and conflict. The block of ice, some 90 km long and 50 km wide, where as was famously said on another occasion, not a blade of grass grows, was not even considered worthy of occupation until the 1970s. It is one of the most inhospitable terrains in the world, and yet Indian troops have held it since they seized it in 1984.
Pakistan’s memory of the Siachen dispute traces only from 1984, but the Indian operation, codenamed ‘Meghdoot’, happened in a specific context: in the mid 1970s, Pakistan began to publish maps claiming Siachen as its own, and began to allow international mountaineers (accompanied by Pakistan army officials) to visit the peak. Sensing the creeping loss of Siachen, with enormous strategic consequences, the Indian Army persuaded Prime Minister Indira Gandhi of the imperative of taking the glacier. To her eternal credit, she went along with it, displaying decisiveness that is so lacking in civilian leaderships today.
The nearest that the Siachen dispute came to a resolution was in June 1989, when the two sides outlined the contours of a solution after the fifth round of talks. But from there on, propaganda takes over.
The Pakistan side claims that the Indian army sabotaged a peace agreement. The official Pakistani perception is illustrated in this editorial, which claims, that the Indian Army “has been a key impediment to resolving the deadlock … over Siachen. American officials have reported…. That while the Indian prime minister has wanted to show flexibility in negotiations, pressure from the army has not allowed him to do so.”
But in fact, the Indian army and the civilian administration are on the same page on Siachen. The real problem that is holding up a resolution is Pakistan’s unwillingness to demarcate the positions held by both sides on the ground – because it would authenticate its past attempts to seize Siachen by stealth.
As Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal PV Naik observed last year, the talks cannot make progress until the Actual Ground Position Line (AGPL) was demarcated –and authenticated.
“The main issue over Siachen is that there is no clear marking of what we call the AGPL. If both sides have to vacate this position, the AGPL needs to be marked and internationally approved,” Naik added. Until then, it would be folly for India to surrender the advantage it holds.
In any case, Siachen’s strategic significance today has less to do with Pakistan and more to do with China, given the proximity of the Karakoram Pass, and the presence of Chinese troops in parts of ***************** Kashmir (***).
And as the Kargil episode (where Pakistani army troopers, masquerading as jihadi fighers, sought to cut the Siachen supply line) reveals, Pakistan cannot be trusted to abide by its agreements. The next Army chief in Pakistan may be more adventurous and less inclined to honour any peace agreement that may be signed today.
Rather than address the real issue that is holding up forward movement on a resolution of the Siachen dispute, there is little point in Kayani taking the moral high ground with pious baloney about “peaceful coexistence”.
It makes for great headlines, and resonates with the incorrigible peaceniks in India. But for anyone who knows the history of the Siachen dispute, this is merely another salvo in the long-running propaganda war that Pakistan has been waging.
Given Pakistan’s record of talking peace when it is down militarily and economically – and waging wars and proxy wars when it gains a foothold, there is no earthly reason to be so easily swayed by the peace melody that even its army chiefs are singing today.
Pak talks peace in Siachen, but wages propaganda war | Firstpost
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I know all this fact..but thats dont what People of India want..they want to proper demarcation of LAC..and that means Siachen on Indian side.but Pakistan only wants to withdraw troops and no words on demarcation of LAC...thats what is main problem.because India fears that after withdrawal,Pakistan may unilaterally capture Siachen covertly(just like Kargil and what they planned for Siachen).
Kayani was hired to defend the borders of this country and instead of giving political statements he should concentrate on his duty. When and what kind of talks over Siachen related issues should be held with India ca be left to the parliament.
As we have seen that Pak fauj zindabad has already lost or gifted away a big chunk of our country in the north to its foes and friends, therefore, it will be advisable that Pakistan now accepts LOC as international border before Pak fauj zindabad lose more territory to our foes and friends.
As we have seen that Pak fauj zindabad has already lost or gifted away a big chunk of our country in the north to its foes and friends, therefore, it will be advisable that Pakistan now accepts LOC as international border before Pak fauj zindabad lose more territory to our foes and friends.
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