Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

Imran Khan · Sep 6, 2008

i get only on jang news air chef marshal say we sign a deal that we get 4 AWACS from chaina

was · Sep 6, 2008

India faces secret Saudi-Pakistan defense alliance
Prabeer Hazarika
Mar. 23, 2005

If and when Pakistan decides to attack India again, India will face much more severe threat than before. According to international think tanks, Saudi Arabia is in secret defense alliance with Pakistan to help the Pakistanis against the Indians.

The PAF has no AWACS but is suspected to have trained on AWACS operational with the Saudi Air Force. The Saudis are barred from transferring these aircraft systems to other countries, but it's possible that in any future India-Pak conflict these could be made available to Pakistan, giving it perhaps a decisive edge on the battlefield. Alternatively, the Saudis could fly it and since it will be over Pakistani air space, nobody would really know

The secret pact between Saudis and Pakistan makes Pakistan, a nuclear power protector for the Saudis against any other nuclear power like America or Israel. In return, Saudis plan to provide secret access of sophisticated American Arms and technology to Pakistan to defeat India in the next war. :woot:

Civilian and military targets in Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat are within minutes flying distance from Pakistani missile sites giving Indian defences very little margin to detect, identify, intercept and destroy the missile Saudis may secretly help Pakistan in electronic jamming of Indian radar and communication system.

The long-range Shaheen missile can now hit targets in depth in central and western India :cheesy:

The PAF's F-16s are old but still capable of delivering a range of deadly ordnance including nuclear bombs. The new F16s still in possible pipeline can add to the capabilities. These F16s with secret Saudi AWACS can be initially difficult to fight.

India understands these strategic defense loopholes. To counteract, India is moving to plug the gaps in its air defences. While an indigenous dedicated military satellite is coming soon, India is acquiring an unspecified number of AWACS that will be integrated into a sophisticated ground-based network of radars for ballistic missile defence.

Where India shines and can be deadly for the enemy is the satellite controlled guidance capabilities. India is also secretly developing capabilities that will make India own the Pakistan Airspace within a day of any full-fledged war between India and Pakistan.India is pursuing indigenous technologies that will make India the most powerful nation in Asia. :rofl:

i know it,s an old article but it is FUNNY :lol:

IndiaDaily - India faces secret Saudi-Pakistan defense alliance

Owais · Sep 6, 2008

was said:
India faces secret Saudi-Pakistan defense alliance

Not morethan a Propaganda

The PAF has no AWACS but is suspected to have trained on AWACS operational with the Saudi Air Force. The Saudis are barred from transferring these aircraft systems to other countries, but it's possible that in any future India-Pak conflict these could be made available to Pakistan, giving it perhaps a decisive edge on the battlefield. Alternatively, the Saudis could fly it and since it will be over Pakistani air space, nobody would really know

Yea nobody knows except Prabeer Hazarika :cheesy:

Civilian and military targets in Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat are within minutes flying distance from Pakistani missile sites giving Indian defences very little margin to detect, identify, intercept and destroy the missile Saudis may secretly help Pakistan in electronic jamming of Indian radar and communication system.

same capability posses by IA

The PAF's F-16s are old but still capable of delivering a range of deadly ordnance including nuclear bombs. The new F16s still in possible pipeline can add to the capabilities. These F16s with secret Saudi AWACS can be initially difficult to fight.

and they are getting 230 super duper MKI to defend their homeland against 18 new F16 and 50+ old MLUs! :rofl:

Where India shines and can be deadly for the enemy is the satellite controlled guidance capabilities. India is also secretly developing capabilities that will make India own the Pakistan Airspace within a day of any full-fledged war between India and Pakistan.

yea making failed satellite launching tests will make India shines in satellite controlled guidance capabilities. Very Funny!

indiapakistanfriendship · Sep 6, 2008

Dear Was and Owais how do you think your posts above have contributed anything to understanding Pakistani AWACS and systems.

IPF

was · Sep 6, 2008

The “Gaoxin 5” project is an airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft equipped with a linear-shape active electronically steered array (AESA) radar similar to the Swedish Ericsson PS-890 Erieye. The development programme possibly began in the late 1990s, with a prototype based on the Y-8F200 airframe first flying in November 2001. A second prototype based on the newer Y-8F600 airframe first flew in January 2005, but was lost during an air crash on 4 June 2006.

The KJ-200 AEW system is based on the Y-8F600 platform, which is also known as “Category-III Platform”. (The Category-I and -II platforms refer to the non-pressurised basic variant Y-8 and pressurised Y-8C respectively) The aircraft is fitted with Western avionics for improved performance. The development of the airframe has been carried out jointly by Shaanxi Aircraft Industry (Group) Co. and the Antonov Design Bureau of Ukraine. Improvements on Y-8F600 include:

* A two-man cockpit fitted with modernised avionics including U.S. Honeywell navigation system
* Removal of the ‘glass-in’ nose to provide additional space for mission equipment
* Four Pratt and Whitney Canada PW150B turboprop engines with British Dodi R-408 six-blade propellers
* Increased take-off weight and range
* Mission equipment pods on wingtips, vertical fin tip and nose

"Gaoxin Project" - Y-8 Electronic Warfare Aircraft - SinoDefence.com

Imran Khan · Sep 6, 2008

was said:
India faces secret Saudi-Pakistan defense alliance
Prabeer Hazarika
Mar. 23, 2005

The long-range Shaheen missile can now hit targets in depth in central and western India

. These F16s with secret Saudi AWACS can be initially difficult to fight.

-.India is pursuing indigenous technologies that will make India the most powerful nation in Asia.[/COLOR]

IndiaDaily - India faces secret Saudi-Pakistan defense alliance

if you have free time read this :lol:

but saudi pakistan are deep in defence cooperation :cheers:

poor sceare and :tdown:

asian super power dreaming nation :lol:

fatman17 · Sep 7, 2008

imran khan said:
if you have free time read this

but saudi pakistan are deep in defence cooperation

poor sceare and asian super power dreaming nation

this guy (writer) is hallucinating in my opinion!

Munir · Sep 7, 2008

I doubt the Saui work lot together with PAF. Looking just wat they bought in the past it had hardly to do anything with consultations with PAF or logical decission. Tornado's, Hawks, F15's.... I just do not see any advantage for PAF.

Nomi929 · Sep 7, 2008

In his latest interview @ Dawn News.

ACM didn't said anything that Chinese AWACS contract is signed.

Imran Khan · Sep 7, 2008

fatman17 said:
this guy (writer) is hallucinating in my opinion!

sir realy i am like this :enjoy:

خطاۓ حس (hallucination) ، جیسا کہ نام سے ظاہر ہے کہ ایک ایسی کیفیت کا نام ہے جس میں انسان کی کوئی ایک یا تمام حسیں (sensations) خطا یا غلطیاں کرتی ہیں اور اپنا فعل درست نہیں ادا کرپاتیں۔ بلا کسی بیرونی محرک (stimulus) کے ہی دماغ میں اس محرک (مثلا آواز یا بو وغیر&#1729

کا احساس اجاگر ہوجاتا ہے، جیسے غیرموجود کو دیکھنا ، کسی کے بولے بغیر ہی آواز و گفتار کو سننا ، کسی بو کے نہ ہونے کے باوجود اس بو کو سونگھنا وغیرہ وغیرہ۔ یہ سب دماغ و اعصاب میں مختلف اقسام کے نقص کی بنا پر ہوتا ہے اور اسکو نفسیات میں ایک شدید ذھانی (psychotic) کیفیت یا مرض کے طور پر تسلیم کیا جاتا ہے۔

خطاۓ حس کی کیفیت یا نفسیاتی مرض ، فریب حس (Illusion) سے بالکل الگ چیز ہے ، فریب حس میں بھی حسیں درست افعال ادا نہیں کر پاتیں مگر اس میں کوئی بیرونی محرک (stimulus) ضرور موجود ہوتا ہے اور وہ حس اس کو غلط طور پر محسوس کرتی ہے یا یوں کہ لیں کہ فریب یا دھوکہ کھا جاتی ہے۔ اسکی ایک مثال صحرا میں سراب کو دیکھنا ہے جس میں ایک بیرونی محرک یعنی روشنی کی موجیں موجود تو ہوتی ہیں لیکن نظر کی حس ان سے دھوکہ کھا کر ریت کو پانی کے طور پر پیش کرتی ہے، فریب حس کو عام طور پر فریب نظر بھی کہا جاتا ہے۔

shehbazi2001 · Sep 9, 2008

Vulnerability of AEW and Refuellers

Here there was some discussion in the Inflight Refuellers thread regarding them being easy targets. The same perhaps applies to AEW but to a lesser degree because an AEW shall be aware of incoming fighters with good time margin to execute defensive plans.

AEW and ground-based radars shall also be key to the safety of inflight refuellers.

AEW and A2A Refueller would certainly require Escort coverage. This is yet another reason for having a good BVR A2A inventory ie escort capability for AEW and Refuellers.

An AEW/AWACS with Electronic warfare capability can better defend itself against fighters.

With its jamming capability, it can jam the seeker heads of incoming radar-guided BVR missiles and if jamming power is enough, can even degrade the performance of Air Intercept (AI) radars of the fighters themselves.

But there are other scenarios to consider too......like

An AEW being a great source of radiation can become a target of anti-radiation air-to-air missiles and one with jamming capability can be a target of A2A missile with home-on-jam guidance.

Survival shall then depend upon the skill of AEW operators and their capability to recognise the guidance method of an incoming missile and counter-act accordingly.