Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[MZUBAIR]

KJ-200 for PAF

 

[MZUBAIR]

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JF-17 and F-7PG would be used with KJ200

 

[mshoaib61]

Not any offense taken..
I will be careful next time in posting pictures in the rite section

 

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[MZUBAIR]

JF-17 and F-7PG would be used with KJ200

 

[Arsalan]

Not any offense taken..
I will be careful next time in posting pictures in the rite section

i really appreciate you understanding of the matter...

best wishes,

 

[Arsalan]

JF-17 and F-7PG would be used with KJ200

not sure about the F7PGs,,
however in future the ZDK will have the all important role of supporting the front liner, the FC20!!

regards!

 

[r0ck]

JF-17 and F-7PG would be used with KJ200

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The Indian Phalcon AWACS will be compatible with every aircraft in the IAF inventory. Right? On the other hand PAF would be operating 2 different AWACS i.e. Saab 2000 and KJ-200, but these would serve as specialised AWACS platforms, one only for western aircraft and the other only for chinese.

Now are there any developments to make these two AEW&C systems universally compatible with the PAF inventory? Because operating a single AWACS platform at any time, is a lot more cost-efficient, streamlined and is less prone to training issues/errors than having two specialized aircrafts.

 

[Barrett]

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The Indian Phalcon AWACS will be compatible with every aircraft in the IAF inventory. Right? On the other hand PAF would be operating 2 different AWACS i.e. Saab 2000 and KJ-200, but these would serve as specialised AWACS platforms, one only for western aircraft and the other only for chinese.

Now are there any developments to make these two AEW&C systems universally compatible with the PAF inventory? Because operating a single AWACS platform at any time, is a lot more cost-efficient, streamlined and is less prone to training issues/errors than having two specialized aircrafts.

PAF would definitely be looking into it and must have taken steps to rectify this problem as it can't have two separate systems with no inter communication or aircrafts who can't communicate with one system while it can with other. Just for example while talking to someone on the same issue, i found out that JF17 has western communication system and with it a datalink, so it its western then it means it can communicate with the western AEW&C platforms too. And if the Chinese AEW&C comes with a western compatible datalink system or for PAF a western communication system is installed, then hopefully it would also be compatible to all the aircrafts in service.

Time will tell what the real picture would be, at this time we all can speculate. But PAF would not be sleeping and ignoring the fact.
I don't know how much of this is true but what i've heard is that the chinese AEW&C will be used for the chinese planes(JF-17,FC-20) and the Saab2000 for the western planes (F-16's).

Brother I once had a similar query and this is the reply I got from Taimi.
I hope this will help, but I'm still not sure about the rest of the older Chinese planes we have in service like the F-7PG & A-5Phantan.

 

[Sapper]

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The Indian Phalcon AWACS will be compatible with every aircraft in the IAF inventory. Right? On the other hand PAF would be operating 2 different AWACS i.e. Saab 2000 and KJ-200, but these would serve as specialised AWACS platforms, one only for western aircraft and the other only for chinese.

Now are there any developments to make these two AEW&C systems universally compatible with the PAF inventory? Because operating a single AWACS platform at any time, is a lot more cost-efficient, streamlined and is less prone to training issues/errors than having two specialized aircrafts.

Dear, no body knows what PAF is upto, they don't let any information surface until they think otherwise.

Saab 2000 uses Link16 system, which is practically available for all NATO countries as well. On the other hand Russian's (and probably Chinese too) use their own data links, and thats why Indian Su30s had poor situational awareness in the infamous Red-Flag-Nellis.

I am listing a few snipets of information we currently have.

Against:
1. China does not use Link16 for their domestic jets.
2. China has never owned or operated any fighter that has/had Link16 system.

For:
1. Since long China has enabled PAF to incorporate western radars-avionics and armaments to be supported and used with Chinese built aircraft, and I don't thing they are going to pull out this time as well.
2. China has successfully incorporated MIL-STD-1553B databus architecture for its JF17+J10 platforms, thus allowing compatibility with western avionics. This also means that more western avionics platform might already have been incorporated/integrated or at-least being worked upon.
3. The Chinese J10 and JF17 in Chinese operation have different data link antennas when compared with JF17s that have entered PAF service, indicating that there might have been some difference in base architecture, or at-least the possibility of incorporation of a different data-link, i.e. Link16.
4. PAF has not finalized the radars for JF17 and FC20. Although a first batch of 50 JF17s is already being fast paced to be used as stop gap measure, but the selection of radar is still not finalized. PAF might have delayed their decision to check compatibility of Chinese Radars/Avionics with the first example of Link16 system in Pakistan i.e. Saab2000. Now that we have both the exemplar and the testbed, we will surely know if Chinese are able to link their avionics with the Saab2000 we have, and to what extent.

The probability is 4 to 2 in favor of Link16 aboard JF17 ... lets hope and pray for the best.

Regards,
Sapper

 

[unicorn148]

pakithan is planning to use western radars for its JF17 and FC20 so than it can use western AWACS because chinese radar cant be linked with the western AWACS

 

[mughaljee]

Brothers,
clear one thing, KJ-2000,
are we getting this with TOT. ?

 

[unicorn148]

pakisthan is not getting KJ2000 its getiing KJ200 .

 

[Sapper]

Brothers,
clear me one thing, KJ-2000,
are we getting this with TOT. ?

Dear, we are getting ZDK-03 which is loosely based on KJ200 and not KJ2000.
Again, we are not getting KJ2000.

And yes, we are getting it with very limited ToT, which means that Pakistan may be given some technology for limited maintenance and repair of its own platforms, but Pakistan will not be "manufacturing" one itself.

Regards,
Sapper

 

[TaimiKhan]

pakithan is planning to use western radars for its JF17 and FC20 so than it can use western AWACS because chinese radar cant be linked with the western AWACS

You should better read something on the topic before coming on the forum and speak about things which you don't know.

Radars don't talk to each, aircrafts communicate via the datalink which sends the data in its own format after getting it from the aircraft avionics or radar or the controllers transmit the output of the radar to the pilots and control them.

Learn first how aircraft communicate with each other.

Radar gives the info and the info is transmitted to the other aircraft which is received by the receiving aircraft communication equipment and it then transforms the data received to the MFDs of the controller.

Same case with AWACS, they send the information through the communication equipment, received by the aircraft and displayed.

Its all about how the data is transmitted between the radar processors and the communication equipment in the aircraft, which is then send.

Same case like your computer, you have a DSL line which is basically sending electronic signals, you surf the net, you have no idea what communication is happening between the systems. Your modem/LAN card receives the signals via cable, but the computer processor processes the data, interprets it, sends it to the video card, which further sends the data to the monitor.

Hope so you got the point that how aircraft communication would work too, even if we have Chinese radar, but if it can be made to communicate with western datalink system, then we have no issue in whether we have a chinese awac or western awac or even aircraft.