Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[sancho]

There are quite a few other benefits of the SAAB system as well in comparison to the Phalcon.

Do you mean just the systems, or also the platforms and what benefit do you see?

 

[sancho]

As I have said, lacking specific information about the two systems, its hard to even contemplate that Erieye users would be impacted by the fore/aft tracking issues that are of a nature which would severely impact operational performance. All that has been discussed is based on general specs which are neither conclusive nor very detailed.

I think the infos, specially about the radar arrays in the presentations says a lot and proved (to me) the claims some articles were talking about. But as we both said, IAF anf PAF might have different requirements and both system will serve them well.

 

[TOPGUN]

With all this confusesion i still don't know the platfrom we will be getting some one shed some light plzz is it gona be kj-2000 or y-8?

 

[blain2]

Yes Pakistan is looking at the Y8 solution. It will not be a rotodome technology because PAF has issues with it. It will also be a smaller platform that is rugged enough for use from various air fields around the country.

 

[blain2]

I think the infos, specially about the radar arrays in the presentations says a lot and proved (to me) the claims some articles were talking about. But as we both said, IAF anf PAF might have different requirements and both system will serve them well.

I agree. PAF's requirement is a simple one. To counter IAF and provide AEW to its units. For that purpose, the SSS meets all of the requirements laid down by the PAF. What more can they ask for?

 

[SBD-3]

With all this confusesion i still don't know the platfrom we will be getting some one shed some light plzz is it gona be kj-2000 or y-8?

this is Y-8 what PAF is going to get beacuse it is very simillar to SAAB so seems logical rather than KJ-2000 what people are posting

 

[mughaljee]

Brothers,
are we getting Chines Awacs with transfer of technology , or we just buying it ?

 

[Sunny4pak]

Sallam,
I think we are buying it......

 

[SBD-3]

nop we are getting it with ToT.Cuz if we were not then there was no reason for PAF to drop SAAB 2000 from 6 to 4

 

[SBD-3]

i hope this would be a bit of help
KongJing-200 (GaoXin 5) Airborne Early Warning & Control Aircraft - SinoDefence.com

 

[jawadqamar]

Yes Pakistan is looking at the Y8 solution. It will not be a rotodome technology because PAF has issues with it. It will also be a smaller platform that is rugged enough for use from various air fields around the country.

Sept 2008 issue of AFM the PAF Chief's interview clearly states that the Y-8F-600 airframe, designated as the ZDK-03, will have the "blade on top, not a rotating dome". ie KJ-200

KJ-200 was initially based on the basic Y-8 F-400 and PAF was not satisfied with it, so agreement was signed with Chinese company to upgrade the KJ-200. It had some cabin interior noise cancellation issues to be sorted out. PAF has asked China to make several improvements for its ZDK-03 platforms and recently we have seen the pictures of improved kj-200. Y-8/9 offers 10 hours endurance and space for more controllers then 5 as in Saab-2000 AEW&C

 

[sancho]

Sept 2008 issue of AFM the PAF Chief's interview clearly states that the Y-8F-600 airframe, designated as the ZDK-03, will have the "blade on top, not a rotating dome". ie KJ-200

KJ-200 was initially based on the basic Y-8 F-400 and PAF was not satisfied with it, so agreement was signed with Chinese company to upgrade the KJ-200. It had some cabin interior noise cancellation issues to be sorted out. PAF has asked China to make several improvements for its ZDK-03 platforms and recently we have seen the pictures of improved kj-200. Y-8/9 offers 10 hours endurance and space for more controllers then 5 as in Saab-2000 AEW&C

Interesting, so PAF will also go for bigger AWACS aircrafts with more space.

nop we are getting it with ToT.Cuz if we were not then there was no reason for PAF to drop SAAB 2000 from 6 to 4

The article on sinodefence says:

# with modernised avionics including U.S. Honeywell navigation system
# Four Pratt and Whitney Canada PW150B turboprop engines with British Dodi R-408 six-blade propellers

Not sure what ToT is left that would be useful but it could be cheaper than Saab 2000 and offers much more range and especially more space and payload.

 

[SBD-3]

Interesting, so PAF will also go for bigger AWACS aircrafts with more space.
Not sure what ToT is left that would be useful but it could be cheaper than Saab 2000 and offers much more range and especially more space and payload.

Well China wouldnot have gone for such development if it had to buy these system of the shelve.It would end up as licensed production in China.But any ways the most important component, Radar is of chinese nature. I think what you are mentioning are airframe specs rather than radar.I see this as a partnership as china is developing this tech and PAF has the best in this i.e. erieye radar so PAF would hopfully to integrate erieye in Y-8 to develop an better indigenious system when it gets it whith ToT.To me this is the motivation for going after Y-8 because of mutual interest and welbeing of both the countries rather than better range or size kind of things

 

[SBD-3]

here is the official video of SAAB erieye giving all details hope you guys will enjoy it

 

[SBD-3]

hay guys! I'min a bit of fix regarding IAF AWACS here see for your self
the first picture is of the phalcon AWACS

now the second picture is of IAF Phalcon

Then see the description regarding Phalcon

IAI Phalcon 707
Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) developed its Phalcon system for Israeli defence forces and for export. Airborne Early Warning, Command and Control (AEWC&C) systems play a major role on the modern battlefield by providing real-time intelligence and command and control needed to achieve and maintain air superiority over the combat area and to enable surveillance of borders in peacetime. The world's most advanced AEWC&C system, the PHALCON, was developed and produced by ELTA using Active Phased Array Electronic Scanning Technology rather than a mechanically rotating antenna (rotodome) used by current AWACS systems, giving PHALCON greater operational flexibility and performance by several orders of magnitude. The Phalcon AEW&C aircraft is based on four sensors: phased-array radar, phased-array IFF, ESM/ELINT and CSM/COMINT. A unique fusion technology continuously cross-relates the data gathered by all sensors. When one of the sensors reports a detection, the system automatically initiates an active search of the complementary sensors.
The AWE&C phased array radar replaces the conventional rotodome radar. It is mounted either on the aircraft fuselage or on top of the aircraft inside a stationary dome, providing full 360° coverage. This electronically steered beam radar delivers a tremendous advantage over mechanical rotating antenna, as it supports the tracking a high maneuvering targets. The radar can detect even low flying objects from distances of hundreds of kilometers, day and night, under all weather conditions. Verification beams sent at specific, individual, newly detected targets eliminate false alarms. Moreover, track initiation is achieved in 2 to 4 seconds as compared to 20 to 40 seconds with a rotodome radar
The IFF system employs solid state phased array technology to perform interrogation, decoding, target detection and tracking. A monopulse technique is used to implement azimuth measurement. The IFF data is automatically correlated with the phased array radar.
The ESM/ELINT system receives, analyzes and locates radar signals, covering 360o. It combines high sensitivity with high probability of intercept, and achieves excellent accuracy in bearing measurement. The system uses narrow-band super-heterodyne receivers and wide-band instantaneous frequency measurement (IFM) techniques to provide very high accuracy and probability of intercept of airborne and surface emitters. Very high bearing accuracy for all received signals is achieved through Differential Time of Arrival (DTOA) measurements. The system also collects and analyzes ELINT data.
The PHALCON's CSM/COMINT receives in UHF, VHF and HF, rapidly searching for airborne, shipborne or ground communications signals of interest. Selected radio nets can be monitored for signal activity. A DF capability locates targets. Detected signals can be assigned to monitoring receivers instantaneously. The system makes extensive use of computers to reduce the load on operators.
The aircraft communicates, via its data link, with Air Defense HQ. Data from additional air defense sensors are fused to create a complete spatial picture.

The PHALCON systems can be installed on a variety of platforms, such as the Boeing 707, Boeing 767, Boeing 747, Airbus and C-130. This system has already been sold to Chile, where it is designated "Condor". Under the aegis of Defense Minister Yitzhak Mordechai and Defense Ministry Director General Ilan Biran, six agreements for cooperation between Israeli, American and European defense firms were signed on 15 October 1998. Under one of these agreements, IAI/ELTA Electronics Industries Ltd. and Raytheon Systems Company will cooperate on the development, production and marketing of AEWC&C systems on a world wide basis. The new project will be based on PHALCON. The two companies have already teamed up to compete for tenders for AEWC&C systems for Australia, South Korea and Turkey.

Specifications
Country of Origin Israel
Builder IAI
Role
Similar Aircraft
Wing Span 44.60 m
Wing Area 283.40 m²
Length 44.40 m
Height 12.90 m
Weight
Engine 4 x P&W JT3D-3B
Maximum speed 973 Km/h
Cruising speed
Range 6,920 Km

now see the below video which states the Active range of radar 400KM

Please any one can explain the situation