Pakistanis are obsessed with Islam, Kashmir & Hindus -- Sheikh Mujib's speech

[padamchen]

There would have none without the British. Remember the British also made Republic of India....

I do not disagree. But to refine that further.

The Hindu civilizational thread is what cobbled a continent together.

The geographical boundaries of the modern political construct got decided by the British Indian empire.

Cheers, Doc

 

[TMA]

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1. Pakistan exists because of Muhammad Bin Qasim (first Muslim to take control of large portions of the region), Ahmed Khan (first person to envision the idea of Pakistan), Rehmat Ali (coined the word Pakistan and created the "Now or never" pamphlet), and Jinnah (executed the strategy to create Pakistan). None of these people were Bengali.



2. None of the Bengali separatists came from West Pakistan.



3. I will admit, this is true.

Also do not forget Allama Iqbal...

 

[Sine Nomine]

That has nothing to do with his achievements.

Your death tells a lot about your achievements.
Being tortured and shot to death then being buried without funeral tells a lot about a person,that is usually done with low lives and traitors around the world.
And at that time no one in whole BD batted an eye.

 

[TMA]

I do not disagree. But to refine that further.

The Hindu civilizational thread is what cobbled a continent together.

The geographical boundaries of the modern political construct got decided by the British Indian empire.

Cheers, Doc

Nope, geography cobbled it together....Hindu Kush in the West, Himalayas in the North and Arakine in the East.
Of course Vedic Dharmi had a role.

 

[Bengal71]

Sure but let’s just take it on paper
-carving out an independent country consisting of multiple ethnicities perhaps with different goals from a Hindu majority India struggling against the British
-leading an already polarized singular ethnicity with the help of like I said the biggest player in the region

If you think that the latter was the bigger achievement than truly you are delusional

I am not. Jinnah was not facing genocidal maniacs or juntas. His efforts were greatly assisted by the Bengalis themselves and Bengal giving his a Muslim League victory.

Mujib operated under what kind of brutal conditions is well known. There was almost no politics to be had in those days, it was the juntas dictating everything. They would kill en masse, and they did, in this condition Mujib came out victorious.

 

[padamchen]

1. Pakistan exists because of Muhammad Bin Qasim (first Muslim to take control of large portions of the region), Ahmed Khan (first person to envision the idea of Pakistan), Rehmat Ali (coined the word Pakistan and created the "Now or never" pamphlet), and Jinnah (executed the strategy to create Pakistan). None of these people were Bengali.



2. None of the Bengali separatists came from West Pakistan.



3. I will admit, this is true.

Am on my phone so I cannot split quote.

There would never have been the weight and momentum necessary for partition without the Bangalis and their violence in the east.

There would never have been the chance of a Bangladesh split, if there hasn't been a Pakistani split from greater India 24 years prior.

Hope that elucidates the sequence better.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Bengal71]

Your death tells a lot about your achievements.
Being tortured and shot to death then being buried without funeral tells a lot about a person,that is usually done with low lives and traitors around the world.
And at that time no one in whole BD batted an eye.

Your incapacity to understand simple arguments tells about you.

Jinnah's achievements are in 47, Mujib's achievements are in 71. We are talking about that. Got it?

 

[padamchen]

Nope, geography cobbled it together....Hindu Kush in the West, Himalayas in the North and Arakine in the East.
Of course Vedic Dharmi had a role.

If the Hindu Kush were to have been a civilizational boundary, the Persian empire and the present Iranic peoples of Pakistan would not have extended for most of history till the Indus River.

Which has always been a racial cleave plane.

@Indus Pakistan

Cheers, Doc

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Who cares.

You do since you're making a fuss over it.

Mahmud Ghaznavi is known as an Afghan conqueror with his capital in Ghazni, Afghanistan.

Ghazni and Lahore both acted as his capitals on rotation throughout the year (Lahore in the colder months, Ghazni in the warmer ones).

Some of their descendents may have settled in Pakistan region that does not mean they are Pakistani heros.

Pakistan itself only came into being in 1947. Our heroes from prior to that time would be the Muslim empires of the region since they are the reason Pakistan exists, and because so many of us are related to them.

You joker, Mughal empire was abolished in the mid 1800s.

You dumb fisherman, the first person to envision Pakistan was Ahmed Khan, who came from Delhi when it was still under Mughal rule (he also came from a long line of Mughal aristocrats).

you are a political entity with number of ethnicities under it.

Exactly, and since so many of us are Pashtun, our heroes will naturally overlap with Afghanistan's.

Here's an incident from April 2018 that had 2 shia killed
https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistan-two-shi-a-killed-one-wounded-in-quetta-target-attack/29185439.html

And 4 christians killed that same month
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/killed-attack-christians-pakistan-quetta-180402161157315.html

6 people is a far cry from the warzone you were describing.

 

[TMA]

You do since you're making a fuss over it.



Ghazni and Lahore both acted as his capitals on rotation throughout the year (Lahore in the colder months, Ghazni in the warmer ones).



Pakistan itself only came into being in 1947. Our heroes from prior to that time would be the Muslim empires of the region since they are the reason Pakistan exists, and because so many of us are related to them.



You dumb fisherman, the first person to envision Pakistan was Ahmed Khan, who came from Delhi when it was still under Mughal rule (he also came from a long line of Mughal aristocrats).



Exactly, and since so many of us are Pashtun, our heroes will naturally overlap with Afghanistan's.

Perhaps he does not realise that Pakistan has twice the number of Pukhtoons (Afghans) than Afghanistan?

 

[Bengal71]

Mahmoud was not Afghan but Turkic. He was born in coterminous Afghanistan though. His father founded the Ghaznavid Empire by conquering parts of eastern co-terminous Iran and co terminous Afghanistan and he, Mahmoud,carried the expansion into co-terminous Pakistan and even co-terminous Bharat.

Correct, but even that doesn't make him a Pakistani hero.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

There would never have been the weight and momentum necessary for partition without the Bangalis and their violence in the east.

The idea of Pakistan predates their involvement.

There would never have been the chance of a Bangladesh split, if there hasn't been a Pakistani split from greater India 24 years prior.

Nah, they'd probably want to split from you over some stupid language controversy like they did with us.

 

[TMA]

Correct, but even that doesn't make him a Pakistani hero.

So what would make someone a Pakistani hero. Someone born in co-terminous Pakistan?
Or some one born in Pakistan, i.e post 1947?

 

[zain41]

I am not. Jinnah was not facing genocidal maniacs or juntas. His efforts were greatly assisted by the Bengalis themselves and Bengal giving his a Muslim League victory.

Mujib operated under what kind of brutal conditions is well known. There was almost no politics to be had in those days, it was the juntas dictating everything. They would kill en masse, and they did, in this condition Mujib came out victorious.

Sure fair enough but maybe things weren’t so bad that he wasn’t killed by west Pakistan.. genocide numbers have been greatly exaggerated even by your own accounts.. still don’t understand the brotherly love at display hugging etc between mujib and Bhutto in 74 oic meeting if things were so bad between them.. just food for thought

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Correct, but even that doesn't make him a Pakistani hero.

Then what does? Lahore was one of his largest cities, his empire recruited many soldiers from Pakistan, his family assimilated into the Pashtuns (Pakistan's 2nd largest ethnic group), and Pakistan exists because of these Muslim conquerors.

Are you expecting him to have a NADRA card or something?