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Pakistani visas for Bangladeshis have reduced over the years.

I know 2 Bangladeshi families myself who have relatives in Pakistan. I also know personally one fast food place in Pakistan whose owner is Bangladeshi and most people working there are Bangladeshis.
3 does not make 3 million. Couple of thousand could be appropriate as I said before. Many bengalis were living in Pakistan prior to December 16, 1978 the cut off date for Pakistani citizenship.
 
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@Topic why don't Bangladesh ask Pakistan to close its embassy and does the same. Maybe if Pakistani embassy is there then soon people might stop coming to this supa pawa.

3 does not make 3 million. Couple of thousand could be appropriate as I said before. Many bengalis were living in Pakistan prior to December 16, 1978 the cut off date for Pakistani citizenship.

I said 2 who I know in US whereas the restaurant that I know in Pakistan. I don't know how many are there in actual if just me know these many individuals. The official figure is around 3 million with Karachi alone carrying the burden of 2 million. I don't want any illegal bangladeshi in my home province so GOP should kick everyone out of Sindh at least.
 
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@Topic why don't Bangladesh ask Pakistan to close its embassy and does the same. Maybe if Pakistani embassy is there then soon people might stop coming to this supa pawa.



I said 2 who I know in US whereas the restaurant that I know in Pakistan. I don't know how many are there in actual if just me know these many individuals. The official figure is around 3 million with Karachi alone carrying the burden of 2 million. I don't want any illegal bangladeshi in my home province so GOP should kick everyone out of Sindh at least.


Imagination and day dreaming does not help anyone. If a Bengali was in Pakistan ones not make him illegal Bangladeshi. How does they came to USA from Pakistan if he is illegal? If they came with valid Pakistani passport there is no issue or arguing here. As I said before bringing imaginary figure like 3 million you are just ridiculing yourself. How many Bengalis were there in Pakistan prior to December 16, 1978? You want to say there were no Bengalis when both Pakistan and Bangladesh were same country?

Regarding closing down Pakistan Embassy it depends on political situation. If it causes more harm than good then Hasina government may take the decision. Below 1000 people goes to Pakistan each year from Bangladesh whereas it is 1.5 million for India.
 
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Anyone living in Pakistan prior to December 16, 1978 is a Pakistani citizen by default. If you believe that someone is living there after that prove it and then ask to take it back. Most of these people are living there prior to 1971. So question of taking back now. The 3 million claim that you make is roughly 2% of Bangladeshi citizen and 25% of Bangladeshi national living abroad. If the number is indeed true you should see someone living in Pakistan from someone's extended family. Is it really the case? Answer is no. It is also not possible for Bangladeshis to upto Karachi in millions. Couple of thousand may be ok but definitely not millions.
First ask your govt to grow a pair and accept these azzholes;


https://nation.com.pk/16-Jan-2019/b...-its-prisoners-in-pakistani-jails?version=amp
 
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Imagination and day dreaming does not help anyone. If a Bengali was in Pakistan ones not make him illegal Bangladeshi. How does they came to USA from Pakistan if he is illegal? If they came with valid Pakistani passport there is no issue or arguing here. As I said before bringing imaginary figure like 3 million you are just ridiculing yourself. How many Bengalis were there in Pakistan prior to December 16, 1978? You want to say there were no Bengalis when both Pakistan and Bangladesh were same country?

Both came to US from Bangladesh. One of them is "she", she came to US from Bangladesh but some of her relatives went illegally to Pakistan under Rohingyas disguise in around the years of 89. The other one's relative went on travel visa to Pakistan in around 2003 and never left the country. Both live in Karachi. As for the restaurant it is in Karachi in waterpump gulberg location. So don't act as if you know everything. Pakistan have tons of refugees from around the world majority being from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Myanmari Bengalis.

Regarding closing down Pakistan Embassy it depends on political situation. If it causes more harm than good then Hasina government may take the decision. Below 1000 people goes to Pakistan each year from Bangladesh whereas it is 1.5 million for India.

As per Bangladeshis it is harming them because other countries are not giving their visas. So Bdsh should close the source. But of course not, because your made up nonsense stories are just good in Indian authorized bangladesh, India and banglis worldwide.

Bangladesh government has no record of them. How they can be accepted as Bangladeshi citizen. Most likely they are Bihari or Rohingya.

Biharis only need to provide their indian domicile and proof that they migrated to Pakistan (East or West), and they get their citizenship of Pakistan. Simple. Rohingyas are known to be from Burma. -NO OFFENSE INTENTED-(please let me know if you are offended so I can edit my post) Afghans and Central Asian refugees/illegals are usually light skin like many Pakistanis so Bangladeshis with their glowing darker skin are easily identified.
 
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Both came to US from Bangladesh. One of them is "she", she came to US from Bangladesh but some of her relatives went illegally to Pakistan under Rohingyas disguise in around the years of 89. The other one's relative went on travel visa to Pakistan in around 2003 and never left the country. Both live in Karachi. As for the restaurant it is in Karachi in waterpump gulberg location. So don't act as if you know everything. Pakistan have tons of refugees from around the world majority being from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Myanmari Bengalis.



As per Bangladeshis it is harming them because other countries are not giving their visas. So Bdsh should close the source. But of course not, because your made up nonsense stories are just good in Indian authorized bangladesh, India and banglis worldwide.



Biharis only need to provide their indian domicile and proof that they migrated to Pakistan (East or West), and they get their citizenship of Pakistan. Simple. Rohingyas are known to be from Burma. -NO OFFENSE INTENTED-(please let me know if you are offended so I can edit my post) Afghans and Central Asian refugees/illegals are usually light skin like western Pakistanis so Bangladeshis with their glowing darker skin are easily identified.

So come up with figure how many Bengalis overstayed in Pakistan? Even if you start the counting from 1979 it will not be big. I won’t deny there may be some who went to Pakistan pretending to be Rohingya but number would not be high. After the war on terror started in 2001 any Bangladeshi for better living would consider Pakistan. Going there illegally is almost impossible crossing Indian border twice and Pakistani border once where both are heavily guarded at western front. Taking all these into consideration the number will not be high. Give or take couple of thousand.

Having a Pakistani embassy does not men people will not be able to go to western countries. If Pakistan don’t interfere in Bangladesh’s internal matter with ISI using Pakistan Embassy there will not any issue.
 
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ঢাকা: বাংলাদেশি নাগরিকদের জন্য পাকিস্তানের ভিসা ইস্যুর সংখ্যা কমে চলেছে। প্রতিবছরের ধারাবাহিকতায় গত বছর আগের বছরের তুলনায় তাদের ভিসা ইস্যু কম হয়েছে ৪০০-র মতো। ঢাকায় পাকিস্তান হাইকমিশনের কর্মকর্তারা অবশ্য বলছেন, তারা বাংলাদেশি নাগরিকদের জন্য যথাসম্ভব ভিসা সহজীকরণের নীতি নিয়েছেন।


পাকিস্তান হাইকমিশন সূত্রে জানা যায়, ২০১৮ সালে বাংলাদেশি নাগরিকদের জন্য ১ হাজার ৭১৫টি ভিসা ইস্যু করেছে পাকিস্তান। অথচ ২০১৭ সালে বাংলাদেশিদের তাদের ভিসা দেওয়ার সংখ্যা ছিল ২ হাজার ১৪৬টি। ২০১৬ সালে এ সংখ্যা ছিল ১ হাজার ৯২৮টি।

চিত্র পর্যালোচনা করে দেখা যাচ্ছে, ২০১৬ সালের তুলনায় ২০১৭ সালে ভিসার ইস্যুর সংখ্যা কিছুটা বাড়লেও উল্লেখযোগ্যহারে কমেছে ২০১৮ সালে।

২০১৮ সালে পাকিস্তানের যে ১ হাজার ৭১৫টি ভিসা ইস্যু হয়েছে বাংলাদেশিদের জন্য, তার মধ্যে বিজনেস ভিসা ৩২৩টি, তাবলিগ ভিসা ১২১টি, ভিজিট ভিসা ১০০৮টি, ওয়ার্ক ভিসা ১০টি, কূটনৈতিক ভিসা ৮টি, কনফারেন্স-সেমিনার ভিসা ৪৭টি, অফিসিয়াল ভিসা ১৯১টি এবং অন্যান্য ভিসা ছিল ৭টি ।

বিভিন্ন কারণে বাংলাদেশ ও পাকিস্তানের মধ্যে শীতল সম্পর্ক দেখা যাচ্ছে। বিশেষ করে বাংলাদেশে যুদ্ধাপরাধের বিচার ইস্যুতে পাকিস্তান বারবার নাক গলানোয় দুই দেশের দ্বিপক্ষীয় সম্পর্ক তলানিতে ঠেকেছে। যোগাযোগ কমেছে দুই দেশের মানুষের মধ্যেও।

বিভিন্ন প্রতিবেদন অনুযায়ী, কয়েক বছর ধরে বাংলাদেশিদের বিদেশ ভ্রমণের হার বেড়ে চলেছে। এক্ষেত্রে তাদের সবচেয়ে পছন্দের গন্তব্য ভারত। পাশাপাশি আছে থাইল্যান্ড, মালয়েশিয়া, সিঙ্গাপুর, নেপাল, ভুটান, চীন এবং মধ্যপ্রাচ্যের বিভিন্ন দেশ। কিন্তু পাকিস্তান ভ্রমণে বাংলাদেশিদের অনাগ্রহই দেখা যাচ্ছে দিনে দিনে।

ভ্রমণকারীরা বলছেন, পাসপোর্টে পাকিস্তানের ভিসা থাকলে অনেক দেশই ভিসা আবেদন প্রত্যাখ্যান করে থাকে। এছাড়া নিরাপত্তার কারণে অনেকেই পাকিস্তানে যেতে আগ্রহী নন।

এ বিষয়ে বাংলাদেশের তরুণ ভ্রমণকারী আরিফুল ইসলাম বাংলানিউজকে বলেন, বাংলাদেশের ভ্রমণকারীরা পাকিস্তানে যেতে আগ্রহী নন। কেননা পাকিস্তানের ভিসা পাসপোর্টে থাকলে বিভিন্ন দেশের ভিসা পেতে সমস্যা হয়ে থাকে। তাই পাকিস্তানকে এড়াতে চান ভ্রমণকারীরা।

এ বিষয়ে ঢাকায় পাকিস্তান হাইকমিশনের কন্স্যুলার (প্রেস) মুহম্মদ আওরঙ্গজেব হারাল বাংলানিউজকে বলেন, বাংলাদেশি নাগরিকদের জন্য যতদূর সম্ভব আমরা ভিসা সহজীকরণের নীতি নিয়েছি।

তবে এক্ষেত্রে বাংলাদেশ সরকারের আশানুরূপ সাড়া তারা পাচ্ছেন না বলে দাবি করেন আওরঙ্গজেব হারাল।

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https://www.banglanews24.com/touris..._-iuS5P-_jv9RRzmpc-yZ-XmPH2OVOCCzMYAgAAut-8w8

Pakistan's visa has reduced for Bangladeshi

Dhaka: The number of visas issued for Bangladeshi citizens is declining. In the continuation of their annual visas last year compared to the previous year, their visas were reduced to 400. Officials of the Pakistan High Commission in Dhaka have said that they have taken the policy of simplifying the visa as soon as possible for Bangladeshi citizens.

According to the Pakistan High Commission sources, Pakistan has issued 1,715 visas for Bangladeshi nationals in 2018. However, in the year 2017, the number of Bangladeshi visas for their visas was 2,614. In the year 2016, the number was 1,928.

The review of the image shows that in 2010, the number of visa issues increased slightly compared to 2016, but significantly decreased in 2018.

In 2018, there were 1,715 visas issued for the Bangladeshi nationals, including Business Visa 323, Tabligh Visa 121, Visa Visa 1008, Work Visas 10, Diplomatic Visa 8, Conference Seminar Visa 47, Official Visa 191 and other Visas 7.

There are cool relations between Bangladesh and Pakistan for various reasons. Especially in Bangladesh, the bilateral relations between the two countries have been lowered by the repeated nose of the war crimes trials. The communication has decreased between the people of the two countries.

According to various reports, the number of foreigners traveling abroad has increased for several years. India is the most preferred destination for them. Besides, different countries of Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Nepal, Bhutan, China and the Middle East But the absence of Bangladeshi visit to Pakistan is seen in the daytime.

Travelers say that many countries refuse visa application if there is a visa in Pakistan on passport. Besides, many are not interested in going to Pakistan due to security.

Bangladeshi young traveler Ariful Islam told Banglanews that Bangladeshi travelers are not interested in going to Pakistan. Because there is a problem getting visas of different countries when the visa is in Pakistan. So travelers want to avoid Pakistan travelers.

The Pakistan High Commission's Counselor (press) Muhammad Aurangzeb Haral said in Dhaka about Banglanews that as far as possible for Bangladeshi citizens we have adopted the policy of simplifying the visa.

However, in this case, the government claims that they are not receiving the response of Aurangzeb Haral.
I mean who needs a visa when entry is visa free. Millions of Bengalis are coming to Pakistan through sea, and guess what, they are getting legalized. So again, Ammy tomako bhalo bashi.
 
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I mean who needs a visa when entry is visa free. Millions of Bengalis are coming to Pakistan through sea, and guess what, they are getting legalized. So again, Ammy tomako bhalo bashi.

Lol millions of Bengalis going to Pakistan illegally. like Pakistan is the US where millions are trying to enter illegally, not even the US faces such a problem. Do you guys consider yourself greater than the US? Not even the Indians consider themselves such a supa pawa, you seem to be the greatest supa pawa in the world.
 
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Lol millions of Bengalis going to Pakistan illegally. like Pakistan is the US where millions are trying to enter illegally, not even the US faces such a problem. Do you guys consider yourself greater than the US? Not even the Indians consider themselves such a supa pawa, you seem to be the greatest supa pawa in the world.
The day we decided to expell them....
 
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Bangladesh government has no record of them. How they can be accepted as Bangladeshi citizen. Most likely they are Bihari or Rohingya.
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I live in Karachi and you wont find a single bihari without Pakistani documents.
But you will find hundreds of thousands of bangladeshis who kept coming till the 90s.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1414503

Lol millions of Bengalis going to Pakistan illegally. like Pakistan is the US where millions are trying to enter illegally, not even the US faces such a problem. Do you guys consider yourself greater than the US? Not even the Indians consider themselves such a supa pawa, you seem to be the greatest supa pawa in the world.
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A new generation of Bangladeshi children are growing up in ghettos in Pakistan. (Photo by Ammar Shahbazi)
KARACHI, Pakistan When Kobir Ali arrived in Karachi in 1985, he was an enthusiastic teenager, all set to begin a dream life away from grinding poverty in his native Bangladesh. "I worked as a domestic servant for the first few years here and managed to send money to buy land in Feni, my hometown," he said. "Pakistan was a different country back then."

After 31 years, Ali wants to go home now, even as throngs of other desperate Bangladeshis risk their lives trying to get to Europe, Australia and other developed countries.

Ali worked as a tailor for a textile factory for most of his adult life, but said he had not been able to save enough to send money to his parents in Bangladesh over the last few years. "There is no point in living here. I am becoming poorer every day," he said. He now works from home, making women's clothes.

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Kobir Ali says he is ready to leave his home in Moosa Colony, a Bengali ghetto in Karachi, to return to Bangladesh, which he left in 1985. (Photo by Ammar Shahbazi)
WANTING MORE Thousands of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants who arrived in Pakistan in the 1980s are in the same boat as Ali. Then, the Pakistani economy was growing steadily, especially the industrial sector, while Bangladesh was battling extreme poverty.

Now these immigrants say they are trapped by the falling value of the Pakistani rupee against the Bangladeshi taka, tightening immigration laws in Pakistan and an ongoing diplomatic spat between the two countries.

Given a choice, most of these immigrants would prefer to go to Europe, if necessary using human traffickers to travel via Iran and Turkey. Their aim? To earn wages in stronger currencies in developed countries so they can rebuild their lives. But Europe is not an option for many because of the costs and risks involved.

Many Bangladeshis in Pakistan say traffickers have raised their "handling charges" after some European countries began accepting immigrants from the Middle East. The higher costs may also reflect the greater risks run by traffickers because of beefed-up Pakistani security in coastal areas of Baluchistan, on the main route to Iran, following the signing of a China-Pakistan Economic Corridor pact last year.

Bangladeshi immigrants are also keen on the Middle East. But opportunities to go there are few and far between. As a result, Bangladesh's recent and relative prosperity is emerging as the only realistic emigration option.

Bangladesh's Awami League government, led by Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, has overseen a doubling of exports since it came into power in 2009, despite sporadic political tensions. The textile sector earned 90% of export revenues over that period.

Conversely, Pakistan's growth has slowed, plagued by an energy crisis and the seemingly endless war on terror. The government has had to rely heavily on international financial bailouts, increasing its debt burden. The economy has grown about 3% a year on average since 2009.

"Many factors are responsible for Pakistan's stagnation, but the energy crisis and the security situation stand out," said Sakib Sherani, an economist and CEO of Marco Economic Insights, a research house. "Bangladesh has managed to accelerate production over the years, which kept its balance of payments strong, while Pakistan had to borrow and rely on imports."

TRAPPED AND FRUSTRATED Formerly known as East Pakistan, Bangladesh broke away from Pakistan on Dec. 16, 1971, after a nine-month civil war. The nationalist Awami League has historically been hostile toward Pakistan, which it accuses of mass murders during the war.

Hasina's government has executed four pro-Pakistani politicians in the last three years, convicting them of war crimes in a controversial tribunal. The sentences drew intense criticism from the Pakistani government, which claimed that the trials were politically motivated, further straining relations.

Bangladeshi immigrants in Pakistan are mostly second-generation laborers who have spent their lives working illegally for the lowest of wages, said Zahid Farooq, a director at Urban Resource Center, a nongovernmental organization active in Karachi. "Historically, they were associated with the industrial sector because they were cheap to hire." Farooq said it was not surprising that many wanted to go back to Bangladesh since economically they were not doing well in Pakistan.

That frustration is shared by hawaladealers, who operate illegal money transfer businesses that Bangladeshi immigrants use to send money home. "The business is as good as dead," said a hawala operator who declined to give his real name but said he wanted to move away from Karachi.

"There was a time, not long ago, when our turnover would even hit a few millions [of rupees] every month, but it has significantly fallen over the past few years as Bangladeshis have stopped sending money. And the cut we get is no longer worth the risks involved in this illegal trade."

An aggressive drive by the Pakistani government to track and block fake identity cards -- an anti-terrorism move aimed at deterring Afghan nationals from settling in the country -- has brought yet more troubles for Bangladeshis.

Most of the estimated 3 million Bangladeshis in Pakistan arrived in the 1980s and settled in ghettos across Karachi. A majority acquired Pakistani identity cards and passports illegally, claiming that they had settled in West Pakistan (now Pakistan) before the creation of Bangladesh.

"Now the officials want proof of family trees, asking us for evidence that our parents were settled in West Pakistan before the 1971 war started," said Momin Mia, a fruit juice vendor who works in Gulistan-e-Jauhar, a middle-class neighborhood of Karachi. "I don't want to go through the trouble anymore. I just want to go back to Bangladesh," he said, adding that the police had extorted money from him.

Farooq said that such discrimination was rampant in Karachi. "We have whole ghettos full of illegal Bangladeshis in the city and the government knows that. But these policemen hound them just to make a quick buck."

HOSTILITY AT HOME Compounding their problems, Bangladeshi immigrants are finding that their home country is not willing to welcome them either.

The Awami League government faces an opposition composed of the center-right and pro-Pakistan Bangladesh Nationalist Party and a number of Islamic parties. Some returning immigrants traveling on Pakistani passports have been denied visas to enter Bangladesh because they were viewed as opposition supporters. "Hasina thinks we are terrorists because we lived in Pakistan for so long," Ali said. Bangladesh arrested three suspected militants traveling from Pakistan in January.

The Bangladesh government also suspects that many of those claiming to be returnees are ethnic Rohingya refugees from Myanmar who had entered Pakistan pretending to be Bangladeshis. Karachi is home to the second-largest Rohingya diaspora in the world after Chittagong in Bangladesh.

Many Bangladeshis believe that Pakistan trains radical young Rohingya men in madrassas (Muslim religious schools) and sends them to fight the Buddhist majority in Myanmar. When thousands of Rohingya left Myanmar in 2014, following communal riots, the Bangladesh government did not allow aid groups to use Bangladeshi territory to conduct relief efforts for refugees.

Diplomatic tensions have been rising, too. Last December, Bangladesh expelled a female Pakistani diplomat for her alleged links with "extremist elements." In what was seen as retaliation, Pakistan later expelled a female Bangladeshi diplomat.

These tensions are affecting legitimate immigrants to Pakistan from Bangladesh who want to travel back to their homeland. Mia said he had gone to the Bangladesh embassy to seek a visa for the fourth time in three months in mid-March, but was ignored by the staff. Mia, who has a wife and four children in Bangladesh, last visited in 2007. "Until a few years ago, we would just talk in Bengali at the counter and they would stamp a visa," he said.

Ali, too, was snubbed at the embassy a month ago. He is looking forward to getting married in his hometown and setting up a tailor shop in Dhaka, but those plans are all on hold. "I don't know how long I will have to wait," he said. "But I will wait because that's all I can do."
 
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:rofl:

I live in Karachi and you wont find a single bihari without Pakistani documents.
But you will find hundreds of thousands of bangladeshis who kept coming till the 90s.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1414503


writerAPRIL 07, 2016 12:00 JST
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A new generation of Bangladeshi children are growing up in ghettos in Pakistan. (Photo by Ammar Shahbazi)
KARACHI, Pakistan When Kobir Ali arrived in Karachi in 1985, he was an enthusiastic teenager, all set to begin a dream life away from grinding poverty in his native Bangladesh. "I worked as a domestic servant for the first few years here and managed to send money to buy land in Feni, my hometown," he said. "Pakistan was a different country back then."

After 31 years, Ali wants to go home now, even as throngs of other desperate Bangladeshis risk their lives trying to get to Europe, Australia and other developed countries.

Ali worked as a tailor for a textile factory for most of his adult life, but said he had not been able to save enough to send money to his parents in Bangladesh over the last few years. "There is no point in living here. I am becoming poorer every day," he said. He now works from home, making women's clothes.

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Kobir Ali says he is ready to leave his home in Moosa Colony, a Bengali ghetto in Karachi, to return to Bangladesh, which he left in 1985. (Photo by Ammar Shahbazi)
WANTING MORE Thousands of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants who arrived in Pakistan in the 1980s are in the same boat as Ali. Then, the Pakistani economy was growing steadily, especially the industrial sector, while Bangladesh was battling extreme poverty.

Now these immigrants say they are trapped by the falling value of the Pakistani rupee against the Bangladeshi taka, tightening immigration laws in Pakistan and an ongoing diplomatic spat between the two countries.

Given a choice, most of these immigrants would prefer to go to Europe, if necessary using human traffickers to travel via Iran and Turkey. Their aim? To earn wages in stronger currencies in developed countries so they can rebuild their lives. But Europe is not an option for many because of the costs and risks involved.

Many Bangladeshis in Pakistan say traffickers have raised their "handling charges" after some European countries began accepting immigrants from the Middle East. The higher costs may also reflect the greater risks run by traffickers because of beefed-up Pakistani security in coastal areas of Baluchistan, on the main route to Iran, following the signing of a China-Pakistan Economic Corridor pact last year.

Bangladeshi immigrants are also keen on the Middle East. But opportunities to go there are few and far between. As a result, Bangladesh's recent and relative prosperity is emerging as the only realistic emigration option.

Bangladesh's Awami League government, led by Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, has overseen a doubling of exports since it came into power in 2009, despite sporadic political tensions. The textile sector earned 90% of export revenues over that period.

Conversely, Pakistan's growth has slowed, plagued by an energy crisis and the seemingly endless war on terror. The government has had to rely heavily on international financial bailouts, increasing its debt burden. The economy has grown about 3% a year on average since 2009.

"Many factors are responsible for Pakistan's stagnation, but the energy crisis and the security situation stand out," said Sakib Sherani, an economist and CEO of Marco Economic Insights, a research house. "Bangladesh has managed to accelerate production over the years, which kept its balance of payments strong, while Pakistan had to borrow and rely on imports."

TRAPPED AND FRUSTRATED Formerly known as East Pakistan, Bangladesh broke away from Pakistan on Dec. 16, 1971, after a nine-month civil war. The nationalist Awami League has historically been hostile toward Pakistan, which it accuses of mass murders during the war.

Hasina's government has executed four pro-Pakistani politicians in the last three years, convicting them of war crimes in a controversial tribunal. The sentences drew intense criticism from the Pakistani government, which claimed that the trials were politically motivated, further straining relations.

Bangladeshi immigrants in Pakistan are mostly second-generation laborers who have spent their lives working illegally for the lowest of wages, said Zahid Farooq, a director at Urban Resource Center, a nongovernmental organization active in Karachi. "Historically, they were associated with the industrial sector because they were cheap to hire." Farooq said it was not surprising that many wanted to go back to Bangladesh since economically they were not doing well in Pakistan.

That frustration is shared by hawaladealers, who operate illegal money transfer businesses that Bangladeshi immigrants use to send money home. "The business is as good as dead," said a hawala operator who declined to give his real name but said he wanted to move away from Karachi.

"There was a time, not long ago, when our turnover would even hit a few millions [of rupees] every month, but it has significantly fallen over the past few years as Bangladeshis have stopped sending money. And the cut we get is no longer worth the risks involved in this illegal trade."

An aggressive drive by the Pakistani government to track and block fake identity cards -- an anti-terrorism move aimed at deterring Afghan nationals from settling in the country -- has brought yet more troubles for Bangladeshis.

Most of the estimated 3 million Bangladeshis in Pakistan arrived in the 1980s and settled in ghettos across Karachi. A majority acquired Pakistani identity cards and passports illegally, claiming that they had settled in West Pakistan (now Pakistan) before the creation of Bangladesh.

"Now the officials want proof of family trees, asking us for evidence that our parents were settled in West Pakistan before the 1971 war started," said Momin Mia, a fruit juice vendor who works in Gulistan-e-Jauhar, a middle-class neighborhood of Karachi. "I don't want to go through the trouble anymore. I just want to go back to Bangladesh," he said, adding that the police had extorted money from him.

Farooq said that such discrimination was rampant in Karachi. "We have whole ghettos full of illegal Bangladeshis in the city and the government knows that. But these policemen hound them just to make a quick buck."

HOSTILITY AT HOME Compounding their problems, Bangladeshi immigrants are finding that their home country is not willing to welcome them either.

The Awami League government faces an opposition composed of the center-right and pro-Pakistan Bangladesh Nationalist Party and a number of Islamic parties. Some returning immigrants traveling on Pakistani passports have been denied visas to enter Bangladesh because they were viewed as opposition supporters. "Hasina thinks we are terrorists because we lived in Pakistan for so long," Ali said. Bangladesh arrested three suspected militants traveling from Pakistan in January.

The Bangladesh government also suspects that many of those claiming to be returnees are ethnic Rohingya refugees from Myanmar who had entered Pakistan pretending to be Bangladeshis. Karachi is home to the second-largest Rohingya diaspora in the world after Chittagong in Bangladesh.

Many Bangladeshis believe that Pakistan trains radical young Rohingya men in madrassas (Muslim religious schools) and sends them to fight the Buddhist majority in Myanmar. When thousands of Rohingya left Myanmar in 2014, following communal riots, the Bangladesh government did not allow aid groups to use Bangladeshi territory to conduct relief efforts for refugees.

Diplomatic tensions have been rising, too. Last December, Bangladesh expelled a female Pakistani diplomat for her alleged links with "extremist elements." In what was seen as retaliation, Pakistan later expelled a female Bangladeshi diplomat.

These tensions are affecting legitimate immigrants to Pakistan from Bangladesh who want to travel back to their homeland. Mia said he had gone to the Bangladesh embassy to seek a visa for the fourth time in three months in mid-March, but was ignored by the staff. Mia, who has a wife and four children in Bangladesh, last visited in 2007. "Until a few years ago, we would just talk in Bengali at the counter and they would stamp a visa," he said.

Ali, too, was snubbed at the embassy a month ago. He is looking forward to getting married in his hometown and setting up a tailor shop in Dhaka, but those plans are all on hold. "I don't know how long I will have to wait," he said. "But I will wait because that's all I can do."

There were few thousands in 80s. Now everyone whoever went just like to come back. Pakistan is lagging behind Bangladesh in every dimension and smaller economy as well in terms of nominal gdp with 25% more population. 3 million is nothing but a delusion.
 
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So come up with figure how many Bengalis overstayed in Pakistan? Even if you start the counting from 1979 it will not be big. I won’t deny there may be some who went to Pakistan pretending to be Rohingya but number would not be high. After the war on terror started in 2001 any Bangladeshi for better living would consider Pakistan. Going there illegally is almost impossible crossing Indian border twice and Pakistani border once where both are heavily guarded at western front. Taking all these into consideration the number will not be high. Give or take couple of thousand.

Having a Pakistani embassy does not men people will not be able to go to western countries. If Pakistan don’t interfere in Bangladesh’s internal matter with ISI using Pakistan Embassy there will not any issue.

There is no official figures but it is believed to be around 3 million.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Bangladeshi-immigrants-in-Pakistan-find-it-hard-to-go-home

ISLAMABAD: Around five million illegal immigrants have been residing in different cities of Pakistan for more than three decades.

The illegal immigrants, around two million Bangladeshis, 2.5 million Afghanis and 0.5 million other nationals including Africans, Iranians, Iraqis and Myanmars, are currently living in Quetta, Peshawar, Lahore, Islamabad, Rawalpindi and other cities, an official said on Monday.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/322325/five-million-illegal-immigrants-residing-in-pakistan/

Lol millions of Bengalis going to Pakistan illegally. like Pakistan is the US where millions are trying to enter illegally, not even the US faces such a problem. Do you guys consider yourself greater than the US? Not even the Indians consider themselves such a supa pawa, you seem to be the greatest supa pawa in the world.

Oh no dear, only indian authorized bangladesh is Supa pawa along with world's top Supa pawa Afghanistan and bhutan.:rofl:
 
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I live in Karachi and you wont find a single bihari without Pakistani documents.
But you will find hundreds of thousands of bangladeshis who kept coming till the 90s.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1414503


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A new generation of Bangladeshi children are growing up in ghettos in Pakistan. (Photo by Ammar Shahbazi)
KARACHI, Pakistan When Kobir Ali arrived in Karachi in 1985, he was an enthusiastic teenager, all set to begin a dream life away from grinding poverty in his native Bangladesh. "I worked as a domestic servant for the first few years here and managed to send money to buy land in Feni, my hometown," he said. "Pakistan was a different country back then."

After 31 years, Ali wants to go home now, even as throngs of other desperate Bangladeshis risk their lives trying to get to Europe, Australia and other developed countries.

Ali worked as a tailor for a textile factory for most of his adult life, but said he had not been able to save enough to send money to his parents in Bangladesh over the last few years. "There is no point in living here. I am becoming poorer every day," he said. He now works from home, making women's clothes.

https%3A%2F%2Fs3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com%2Fpsh-ex-ftnikkei-3937bb4%2Fimages%2F_aliases%2Fmiddle_320%2F7%2F2%2F7%2F8%2F4228727-1-eng-GB%2F20160401_bangladesh_1.jpg.jpg
Kobir Ali says he is ready to leave his home in Moosa Colony, a Bengali ghetto in Karachi, to return to Bangladesh, which he left in 1985. (Photo by Ammar Shahbazi)
WANTING MORE Thousands of illegal Bangladeshi immigrants who arrived in Pakistan in the 1980s are in the same boat as Ali. Then, the Pakistani economy was growing steadily, especially the industrial sector, while Bangladesh was battling extreme poverty.

Now these immigrants say they are trapped by the falling value of the Pakistani rupee against the Bangladeshi taka, tightening immigration laws in Pakistan and an ongoing diplomatic spat between the two countries.

Given a choice, most of these immigrants would prefer to go to Europe, if necessary using human traffickers to travel via Iran and Turkey. Their aim? To earn wages in stronger currencies in developed countries so they can rebuild their lives. But Europe is not an option for many because of the costs and risks involved.

Many Bangladeshis in Pakistan say traffickers have raised their "handling charges" after some European countries began accepting immigrants from the Middle East. The higher costs may also reflect the greater risks run by traffickers because of beefed-up Pakistani security in coastal areas of Baluchistan, on the main route to Iran, following the signing of a China-Pakistan Economic Corridor pact last year.

Bangladeshi immigrants are also keen on the Middle East. But opportunities to go there are few and far between. As a result, Bangladesh's recent and relative prosperity is emerging as the only realistic emigration option.

Bangladesh's Awami League government, led by Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, has overseen a doubling of exports since it came into power in 2009, despite sporadic political tensions. The textile sector earned 90% of export revenues over that period.

Conversely, Pakistan's growth has slowed, plagued by an energy crisis and the seemingly endless war on terror. The government has had to rely heavily on international financial bailouts, increasing its debt burden. The economy has grown about 3% a year on average since 2009.

"Many factors are responsible for Pakistan's stagnation, but the energy crisis and the security situation stand out," said Sakib Sherani, an economist and CEO of Marco Economic Insights, a research house. "Bangladesh has managed to accelerate production over the years, which kept its balance of payments strong, while Pakistan had to borrow and rely on imports."

TRAPPED AND FRUSTRATED Formerly known as East Pakistan, Bangladesh broke away from Pakistan on Dec. 16, 1971, after a nine-month civil war. The nationalist Awami League has historically been hostile toward Pakistan, which it accuses of mass murders during the war.

Hasina's government has executed four pro-Pakistani politicians in the last three years, convicting them of war crimes in a controversial tribunal. The sentences drew intense criticism from the Pakistani government, which claimed that the trials were politically motivated, further straining relations.

Bangladeshi immigrants in Pakistan are mostly second-generation laborers who have spent their lives working illegally for the lowest of wages, said Zahid Farooq, a director at Urban Resource Center, a nongovernmental organization active in Karachi. "Historically, they were associated with the industrial sector because they were cheap to hire." Farooq said it was not surprising that many wanted to go back to Bangladesh since economically they were not doing well in Pakistan.

That frustration is shared by hawaladealers, who operate illegal money transfer businesses that Bangladeshi immigrants use to send money home. "The business is as good as dead," said a hawala operator who declined to give his real name but said he wanted to move away from Karachi.

"There was a time, not long ago, when our turnover would even hit a few millions [of rupees] every month, but it has significantly fallen over the past few years as Bangladeshis have stopped sending money. And the cut we get is no longer worth the risks involved in this illegal trade."

An aggressive drive by the Pakistani government to track and block fake identity cards -- an anti-terrorism move aimed at deterring Afghan nationals from settling in the country -- has brought yet more troubles for Bangladeshis.

Most of the estimated 3 million Bangladeshis in Pakistan arrived in the 1980s and settled in ghettos across Karachi. A majority acquired Pakistani identity cards and passports illegally, claiming that they had settled in West Pakistan (now Pakistan) before the creation of Bangladesh.

"Now the officials want proof of family trees, asking us for evidence that our parents were settled in West Pakistan before the 1971 war started," said Momin Mia, a fruit juice vendor who works in Gulistan-e-Jauhar, a middle-class neighborhood of Karachi. "I don't want to go through the trouble anymore. I just want to go back to Bangladesh," he said, adding that the police had extorted money from him.

Farooq said that such discrimination was rampant in Karachi. "We have whole ghettos full of illegal Bangladeshis in the city and the government knows that. But these policemen hound them just to make a quick buck."

HOSTILITY AT HOME Compounding their problems, Bangladeshi immigrants are finding that their home country is not willing to welcome them either.

The Awami League government faces an opposition composed of the center-right and pro-Pakistan Bangladesh Nationalist Party and a number of Islamic parties. Some returning immigrants traveling on Pakistani passports have been denied visas to enter Bangladesh because they were viewed as opposition supporters. "Hasina thinks we are terrorists because we lived in Pakistan for so long," Ali said. Bangladesh arrested three suspected militants traveling from Pakistan in January.

The Bangladesh government also suspects that many of those claiming to be returnees are ethnic Rohingya refugees from Myanmar who had entered Pakistan pretending to be Bangladeshis. Karachi is home to the second-largest Rohingya diaspora in the world after Chittagong in Bangladesh.

Many Bangladeshis believe that Pakistan trains radical young Rohingya men in madrassas (Muslim religious schools) and sends them to fight the Buddhist majority in Myanmar. When thousands of Rohingya left Myanmar in 2014, following communal riots, the Bangladesh government did not allow aid groups to use Bangladeshi territory to conduct relief efforts for refugees.

Diplomatic tensions have been rising, too. Last December, Bangladesh expelled a female Pakistani diplomat for her alleged links with "extremist elements." In what was seen as retaliation, Pakistan later expelled a female Bangladeshi diplomat.

These tensions are affecting legitimate immigrants to Pakistan from Bangladesh who want to travel back to their homeland. Mia said he had gone to the Bangladesh embassy to seek a visa for the fourth time in three months in mid-March, but was ignored by the staff. Mia, who has a wife and four children in Bangladesh, last visited in 2007. "Until a few years ago, we would just talk in Bengali at the counter and they would stamp a visa," he said.

Ali, too, was snubbed at the embassy a month ago. He is looking forward to getting married in his hometown and setting up a tailor shop in Dhaka, but those plans are all on hold. "I don't know how long I will have to wait," he said. "But I will wait because that's all I can do."
There are more than 50+ Muslim countries and the rohingya Muslims will easily get citizenship in any of these countries but instead they are disturbing a Buddhist nation like Myanmar who wants to live in their own.
 
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There are more than 50+ Muslim countries and the rohingya Muslims will easily get citizenship in any of these countries but instead they are disturbing a Buddhist nation like Myanmar who wants to live in their own.

Rohingyas are former Bengalis/Bangladeshis. So you should talk to Bangladesh not 58 Muslim countries. Pakistan had the largest refugees from Myanmar of Rohingyas for decades, until recently. If a poor and far away country like Pakistan can absorb 800k of Bengali Rohingyas, Bangladesh who is a Supa Pawa (according to banglis) sure be able to.
 
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