Pakistani society sees models as escorts:

[LeGenD]

@Zarvan you are grilling them with the facts so soon they will start trolling and personal attacks, be ready for that bro

And what facts are those? The 1-in-5 rape (Feminist) myth in the case of U.S?

Even American women are calling bullshit on that: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...he-new-one-in-four-campus-rape-statistic.html

Yes I have the full idea of rape cases in Pakistan as well as USA.

Right.

Provide statistics of rapes in Pakistan first.

 

[war&peace]

There are different causes of rapes in different countries. I don't think that sexual repression is the sole cause.

That's what westerners and their slave desi liberals claim. Their attempt is to spread lewdness among Muslims and believers and Holy Quran pre-empts that and warns them with extremely painful punishment in life after the death.

 

[Zarvan]

There are different causes of rapes in different countries. I don't think that sexual repression is the sole cause.

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem

 

[LeGenD]

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem

Listen man! Either you listen carefully to what I am saying or stop wasting my time with citations that rubbish your own claims.

From the link you cited:-

Observation # 1: Sexual Violence has Fallen by More than Half Since 1993. An indication of the fact that American state is adopting measures to curtain this menace.

Observation # 2: The term "sexual violence" refers to any form of sexual assault ranging from groping to forceful intercourse. These cases, collectively, present an inflated picture of actual cases of rape for the country. I pointed out this fact to you in an earlier post.

Whatever I have told you about the situation in the U.S. is absolutely true. The 1-in-5 cases of sexual violence are also false and even American women are calling bullshit on it. Here is an example: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...he-new-one-in-four-campus-rape-statistic.html

 

[Zarvan]

Listen man! Either you listen carefully to what I am saying or stop wasting my time with citations that rubbish your own claims.

From the link you cited:-

Observation # 1: Sexual Violence has Fallen by More than Half Since 1993. An indication of the fact that American state is adopting measures to curtain this menace.

Observation # 2: The term "sexual violence" refers to any form of sexual assault ranging from groping to forceful intercourse. These cases, collectively, present an inflated picture of actual cases of rape for the country. I pointed out this fact to you in an earlier post.

Whatever I have told you about the situation in the U.S. is absolutely true. The 1-in-5 cases of sexual violence are also false and even American women are calling bullshit on it. Here is an example: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...he-new-one-in-four-campus-rape-statistic.html

Yes and still it is close to around 30000 per year that makes around 100 daily on average. So Please before defending USA keep this figure in mind. That is 100 rapes per day even though these are half of what used to happen in 1993.

 

[LeGenD]

Yes and still it is close to around 30000 per year that makes around 100 daily on average. So Please before defending USA keep this figure in mind. That is 100 rapes per day even though these are half of what used to happen in 1993.

Bro,

These cases are of "sexual violence" in broader sense - not incidents of rape (exclusively). Please try to understand the ground reality and what those statistics actually imply. I am only contributing to your knowledge. I even mentioned the states where incidents of (actual) rape are much higher.

I also pointed out to you another ground reality that women in the U.S. feel more confident in reporting incidents of sexual violence because they know that state institutions will take their complaints seriously. In contrast, victims of sexual violence in Pakistan (particularly those who are actually raped) tend to be silent about it because they know that state institutions are inept and they risk bringing shame to their respective families. This is the fundamental difference in the situation of women in a developed country and a developing one. Try to understand my argument here.

Pakistani people are not focusing on the real problem here; they just feel contended with citing statistics of a developed country (apne dil ko tusali dene wali baat) and many don't even understand the meaning of those statistics. Blindly citing such statistics is absolutely meaningless and does not addresses the real problem at hand.

Don't take my argument in the negative sense. Just focus on the facts.

 

[Zarvan]

Bro,

These cases are of "sexual violence" in broader sense - not incidents of rape (exclusively). Please try to understand the ground reality and what the statistics actually imply. I am only contributing to your knowledge. I even mentioned the states where incidents of (actual) rape are much higher.

I also pointed out to you another ground reality that women in the U.S. feel more confident in reporting incidents of sexual violence because they know that state institutions will take their complains seriously. In contrast, victims of sexual violence in Pakistan (particularly those who are actually raped) tend to be silent about it because they know that state institutions are inept and they risk bringing shame to their respective families. Try to understand my argument here.

Pakistani people are not focusing on the real problem here; they just feel contended with citing statistics of a developed country (apne dil ko tusali dene wali baat) and many don't even understand the meaning of those statistics.

Don't take my argument in the negative sense. Just focus on the facts.

Okay let's assume half are rape that is still 50 rape per day or lets reduce 20 more that is still 30 per day and out of those 30 let's assume 10 are marriage cases still 20 rape cases per day

 

[LeGenD]

Okay let's assume half are rape that is still 50 rape per day or lets reduce 20 more that is still 30 per day and out of those 30 let's assume 10 are marriage cases still 20 rape cases per day

Fair.

Now what to do about situation of victims of sexual violence in Pakistan? A female family member attended a (female-exclusive) Islamic conference in Lahore and she was shocked to observe the number of complaints raised by audience there. This is why I assert that we literally have no idea how bad is the situation for women is in our own country, which is really sad. If a developed country has statistics like that, I wonder what be the situation in a developing country where majority of such cases go unreported.

Pakistan needs to adopt some serious measures to tackle this menace in the country.

 

[Zarvan]

Fair.

Now what to do about situation of victims of sexual violence in Pakistan? A female family member attended a (female-exclusive) Islamic conference in Lahore and she was shocked to observe the number of complaints raised by audience there. Bro, this is why I assert that we literally have no idea how bad the situation for women is in our own country which is really sad.

Pakistan needs to adopt some serious measures to tackle this menace in the country.

That incident happened due to our PML N Government sending gundas to PTI meeting in disguise to do this crap. Yes incidents are increasing in Pakistan and we just need to publicly execute rapists and you would see the difference after that

 

[LeGenD]

That incident happened due to our PML N Government sending gundas to PTI meeting in disguise to do this crap. Yes incidents are increasing in Pakistan and we just need to publicly execute rapists and you would see the difference after that

I am referring to a female-exclusive Islamic conference on issues of women in Lahore, not a PTI jalsa.

Pakistani females tend to report cases of sexual violence in a female-exclusive environment where the issue is raised as my family member witnessed. Some cases were absolutely horrible. One can only wonder how bad is the situation for women in our country in reality.

I agree with the suggestion of exemplary punishments for cases of sexual violence though. However, a proper investigation is also necessary.

 

[WarFariX]

Dude, you are not a compassionate man...people do evil for many reasons...often because they were treated badly themselves in childhood.

Some people are born pure evil, that is fairly rare, most become that way due to the circumstances of their own life.

I would prefer a society that is compassionate towards sinners and leaves punishment to God not mere mortals with our limited understanding.

Scandinavian countries are good examples....there is no capital punishment and for crimes like rape they are given some punishment (prison time) re-education classes so they don't repeat . Gentle, corrective punishment not revenge.

Your solutions are all extreme and they will cure nothing....so you want to hang food adulterers ...but suppose some 15 year old kid is forced by his employer to adulterate food....the employer lies and says he knew nothing....you will hang the boy....how is that justice?

What you are suggesting will eventually traumatize society...have some compassion sir.

i think my brother u r emotional right now ...yes i understand what u mean by people doing crimes due to some past problems.....many many men due to unemployment and lack of money cant afford marriage in our subcontinent's ill society....some go for rape....some people who have been through bad take revenge from other innocents....now punishment from these type of people must be taken by a prior report from a psychiatrist who have questioned the criminal of what happened and why u did...if doc says that he is mentally perfect and stilll did this on an innocent then death punsihemnt else severe punishment plus decision on the family of one on whom crime was commited

 

[somebozo]

I have studied with them I know them. With few exceptions most are involved. One was caught live when former Jamat e Islami broke into a singer house on complaint of his neighbors that very bad girls come here and he has been told to stop be he doesn't listen so when Nazim Sahab broke into house with his guys there busy banging each other. I mean Model and Singer with one other guy watching.

I hate the shamelessness of Pakistani culture in poking nose in other people business in the name of sharam haya..what people do in private behind closed door is none of anyone business...person complaining about who is visiting and jamati nazim breaking into somebody house..uttely shameful and disgusting..had I been in the place i would have shot or beaten up the stupid nazim...sex between a man and woman is natural affair..breaking into people house is not...we are a disgusting society and it is evident by the number of depraved, mentally upset and outright violent people present in our society...

 

[MaMo]

Most celebrities by definition lack the moral features and psychological outlook expected of a muslim. Women who does not see a problem flaunting her assets in public & seducing men normally don't have any limits when it comes to earning money. How many hollyhood or bollywood actresses have or had stable marriage lasting a lifetime or decades? Heck they don't even marry but have one night stands and temporary relationships and breakups. That's the modern entertainment industry by nature. Muslims society right fully see them as such.

Many actresses who have stable happy marriages tend to leave showbiz after marriage. The whole industry reeks of hypocrisy.

What might be morally right for you might not be for other people. For example, you might find it morally right that in countries such as Saudi women cannot wear what they want, they cannot drive what they want, they cannot choose a career they want, and in most cases not even marry the man of their choices. Whilst their men can get away with anything that's morally considered a shame for women. In Western society, that's called tyranny, and rightly so.

Muslim society as a whole are hypocrites on so many levels that I don't even know where to start. The fact your claiming that Hollywood and Bollywood couples break up sooner than average Muslims because of their immorality is laughable. I've seen Pakistani couples break up sooner than an average celebrity's fling, and here I'm talking about Pakistanis in Pakistan. The amount of murders committed, women eloping, physical contact outside of marriage in Pakistan will put any Westerner to shame.

The only difference is a lot of the immorality in Pakistan is done in secret, whilst these people are very open in their choices and relationships. And a majority of marriages in Islamic nations are either forced or arranged upon the woman's birth. You think a woman who's been controlled since birth in the name of Islam will dare to stand up for her own right and happiness?

 

[sady]

Sab he nangay hain...

 

[WarFariX]

Different reasons of Rapes :
1 . Poverty / unemployment among men due to cheap women labour available so men roam free having no money to afford marriage so many go for rape.
2. Student or new adult girl having a BF relationship . Now this reason i have seen most in india (no offence) , that a girl blindly trusts BF and when they go for the agreed *** , the boy invites his BFs too and they jointly do this OR the boy alone rapes and then leaves her . This leaves a broken girl who was fooled emotionally and left as used so she commits suicide.
3. Employed women asked by boss for *** and she cant refuse coz she loves job so ultimately. This RAPE IS COMMON IN WHOLE WORLD. INCLUDING PAK INDIA
4. THOSE FEMINISTS (CLAIMING THEMSELVES TO BE SUPERIOR TO MEN AND DOING EVERYTHING LIKE MEN ) ultimately caught up by a bunch of gangsters and then she loses FEMINISM EGO and realizes very late that no matter what but she is still a women and naturally weaker to resist the harming of men and ultimately gets raped up