Pakistani Ranger sentenced to death for killing unarmed civilian

[Solomon2]

QUETTA: A senior journalist and member of the Khuzdar Press Club, Munir Ahmed Shakir, was gunned down by armed men in Khuzdar district on Sunday. According to police officials, Shakir was going home from the market when armed men on a motorbike opened fire at him, killing him on the spot. The incident took place on the Hospital Road. He was rushed to the civil hospital where he was officially pronounced dead. The victim was a correspondent of a local Balochi TV channel and a local newspaper. staff report

Perhaps the next priority should be to get the S.O.B.s killing journalists so nobody can think they can escape justice just by threatening and killing a reporter.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Perhaps the next priority should be to get the S.O.B.s killing journalists so nobody can think they can escape justice just by threatening and killing a reporter.

there are major law & order challenges in certain areas of Balochistan....I dont see how the killing of a journalist (we dont even know the circumstances of the attack) is relevant to this topic


and as for this topic - i have 2 thoughts:


a.) to charge the Ranger in the ATC (anti terrorism court) is beyond RIDICULOUS and sets a bad precedent. Im not happy about it. At all

b.) the "victim" was said to be a thief....to make matters worse, he reached towards the ranger's service rifle. It's amazing he was only shot once.....if it were NYPD or Secret Service or any other of the plethora of law enforcment agencies in US he'd have 41 bullets in him and the cops would've walked away scott-free


case in point:

THE DIALLO VERDICT: THE OVERVIEW; 4 OFFICERS IN DIALLO SHOOTING ARE ACQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES - New York Times

 

[pak-marine]

capital punishment bit harsh ! if i remember correctly sarfaraz shah was shot in the hand , although wrong very wrong he was shot just like that but still was not intended to take his life.

 

[W.11]

there are major law & order challenges in certain areas of Balochistan....I dont see how the killing of a journalist (we dont even know the circumstances of the attack) is relevant to this topic


and as for this topic - i have 2 thoughts:


a.) to charge the Ranger in the ATC (anti terrorism court) is beyond RIDICULOUS and sets a bad precedent. Im not happy about it. At all

b.) the "victim" was said to be a thief....to make matters worse, he reached towards the ranger's service rifle. It's amazing he was only shot once.....if it were NYPD or Secret Service or any other of the plethora of law enforcment agencies in US he'd have 41 bullets in him and the cops would've walked away scott-free


case in point:

THE DIALLO VERDICT: THE OVERVIEW; 4 OFFICERS IN DIALLO SHOOTING ARE ACQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES - New York Times

lol dude the laws in US are very strict, you can kill a guy even if he is a robber or what ever and expect to get away with it, there is proper investigation to find out if the police who shot the weapon was done to defend himself the subject posed a threat

from the video the suspect was well under control of rangers, and he had no weapons, and he was shot when he was well away from the shooter

no where in the video it suggests that suspect was a serious threat and shooter did it to defend himself

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

He was a thief.. He tried messing with the rangers rifle.. And got shot.. Capital punishment ..? This is such a BS decision by the court.

 

[Sugarcane]

Why all of sudden you guys started disusing over 2 years old topic?

 

[acetophenol]

He was a thief.. He tried messing with the rangers rifle.. And got shot.. Capital punishment ..? This is such a BS decision by the court.

From the video,it is clear that he was not messing up with the rangers rifle,but was pleading for mercy.However,if there were incidents other than that in the video,please let me know.

IMO,Pak judiciary has done an excellent move.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

A gun was recovered.. He was caught red handed after robbing a woman.. Than he tried to screw with the rangers rifle..

 

[acetophenol]

A gun was recovered.. He was caught red handed after robbing a woman.. Than he tried to screw with the rangers rifle..

It seems that Pak Rangers did try to save him,and the gun shot was just an accident,an action of rage.So capital punishment seems to be too much.

 

[Secur]

He was a thief.. He tried messing with the rangers rifle.. And got shot.. Capital punishment ..? This is such a BS decision by the court.

Even if he was , the rangers were in perfect control of the situation to not try to shoot him . Are you telling me that a dozen rangers personnel on the scene somehow fail to control/restrain/arrest an unarmed person and instead had to use " lethal force " ?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It seems that Pak Rangers did try to save him,and the gun shot was just an accident,an action of rage.So capital punishment seems to be too much.

He died in the hospital..

Even if he was , the rangers were in perfect control of the situation to not try to shoot him . Are you telling me that a dozen rangers personnel on the scene somehow fail to control/restrain/arrest an unarmed person and instead had to use " lethal force " ?

Take a look at the video and see if he shot him intentionally..

 

[Secur]

Take a look at the video and see if he shot him intentionally..

I have seen it , a dozen time on the private T.V. channels when the incident happened . Intention or no intention do not matter here , after all even a driver who kills a person accidentally is sentenced to the same death , these paramilitary fellas didn't seem to understand , how to restrain or control a person and the one who was " unarmed " and the dangers that come with using the " lethal force " . This is a good precedent to be honest .

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

lol dude the laws in US are very strict, you can kill a guy even if he is a robber or what ever and expect to get away with it, there is proper investigation to find out if the police who shot the weapon was done to defend himself the subject posed a threat

from the video the suspect was well under control of rangers, and he had no weapons, and he was shot when he was well away from the shooter

no where in the video it suggests that suspect was a serious threat and shooter did it to defend himself

watch the video again pal.

the "poor innocent" guy put his hand on the barrel of the Rangers' rifle.....who in their right state of mind does something like that? That's suicidal.

Even if he was , the rangers were in perfect control of the situation to not try to shoot him . Are you telling me that a dozen rangers personnel on the scene somehow fail to control/restrain/arrest an unarmed person and instead had to use " lethal force " ?

it would be ideal that he was captured alive, interrogated and let due process work

but as i've said 1,000,000 times - in the heat of the moment when you act on IMPULSE and INSTICT --- you'd shoot a guy too if he walked towards you (armed or unarmed doesnt matter a damn) and put his hands around your gun.....

as i said - if he were in America, he would've been turned into swiss cheese right there and then on the spot. He wouldnt even be given bottled water, he'd be in handcuffs and have 20 officers piled on him even after gettin shot

Why all of sudden you guys started disusing over 2 years old topic?

follow-up on the case i guess....couldve been posted on one of the many existing threads. Maybe mods can fix that.



p.s. ATC in my mind has ZERO jurisdiction over this case. This is ridiculous.

 

[A1Kaid]

He was a thief.. He tried messing with the rangers rifle.. And got shot.. Capital punishment ..? This is such a BS decision by the court.

Wrong, whether he is a thief or not shouldn't warrant the use of lethal force, he should have been detained and arrested in a civil manner. You cannot shoot and kill people on mere suspicion of theft. As for "messing with the rangers rifle" he tried to move the barrel out of his direction, for one the Ranger should not have had his firearm even that close. So many mistakes happened due to lack of professional and care for training.

watch the video again pal.

the "poor innocent" guy put his hand on the barrel of the Rangers' rifle.....who in their right state of mind does something like that? That's suicidal.

Barrel should have never even been that close and he was poking him with the barrel, and the suspect naturally tried to stop that by pushing the barrel aside. He should have been arrested by then, it appeared as if the Rangers were just waiting to shoot and kill him. If Rangers cannot detain a teenage suspect accused of theft that reflects their lack of professionalism and training. Personally, next time I travel to Pakistan I will make sure I am armed with a carbine and carry many magazines in the car. With the security situation there and the way the police and Rangers, behave and even sometimes people cannot take the risk.

 

[W.11]

watch the video again pal.

the "poor innocent" guy put his hand on the barrel of the Rangers' rifle.....who in their right state of mind does something like that? That's suicidal.

he was thinkking that the crazy rangers guy was about to shoot him thats why he was trying to plead mercy he wasn't trying to snatch the rifle