Pakistani Music labelled "Music of India" on Youtube

[lastofthepatriots]

Tumhain shayad na pata ho master teacher ko bhi kaha jata ha

He doesn’t know Punjabi so he probably hasn’t read Bulleh Shah’s poetry.

The joke that he can’t understand is that Bulleh Shah’s murshid, Shah Inayat was an Arain. Bulleh shah came from a family of Syed’s and was convinced by his family to not accept Shah Inayat as his teacher because Arains don’t have a high stature.

Bulleh Shah went to his teacher and told him he could no longer be his disciple as Arain are low stature zaat.

Shah Inayat said to Bulleh,

Tu bullah ne tu bhulliyan’a.(You’re not bulleh but you are lost).

Bulleh Shah ended up regretting it and begged Shah Inayat for forgiveness saying that even though I am a syed, I am still lower than an Arain.

So me ironically bragging about Arain being master race was referencing to this and the joke was lost on poor Jamahir being a bharti.

 

[jamahir]

He didn’t say anything about master race. That was me.

Jamahir, I’m intellectually on another playing field when compared to you. My humor and the things I say will not be understood by you because of difference in culture.

Mr. Intellectually On Another Level, you should henceforth take care not to ascribe wrong statements to philosophers even in humor.

Tumhain shayad na pata ho master teacher ko bhi kaha jata ha

I am a simple person so I took his words as underlined below :

Bulleh shah murshid was an Arain(Master Race).

He doesn’t know Punjabi so he probably hasn’t read Bulleh Shah’s poetry.

I know this :

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Mr. Intellectually On Another Level, you should henceforth take care not to ascribe wrong statements to philosophers even in humor.



I am a simple person so I took his words as underlined below :




I know this :

In a way bulleh shah did say that Arain are a master race when he had to learn humility so that he could learn from his teacher again. So even jokingly, I’m not wrong.

 

[jamahir]

In a way bulleh shah did say that Arain are a master race when he had to learn humility so that he could learn from his teacher again. So even jokingly, I’m not wrong.

The joke that he can’t understand is that Bulleh Shah’s murshid, Shah Inayat was an Arain. Bulleh shah came from a family of Syed’s and was convinced by his family to not accept Shah Inayat as his teacher because Arains don’t have a high stature.

Bulleh Shah went to his teacher and told him he could no longer be his disciple as Arain are low stature zaat.

Shah Inayat said to Bulleh,

Tu bullah ne tu bhulliyan’a.(You’re not bulleh but you are lost).

Bulleh Shah ended up regretting it and begged Shah Inayat for forgiveness saying that even though I am a syed, I am still lower than an Arain.

So me ironically bragging about Arain being master race was referencing to this and the joke was lost on poor Jamahir being a bharti.

From the Wikipedia page about Bulleh :

In 2004, Indian musician Rabbi Shergill turned the abstruse metaphysical poem "Bullah Ki Jaana" into a rock/fusion song in his debut album Rabbi; the song was a chart-topper in 2005, helping the album to eventually sell over 10,000 copies and became immensely popular in India and Pakistan.

This is the song I, a "Bharti", posted above though I couldn't find the original vid. And did this anecdote of yours occur before or after he wrote 'Bulla ki jaana main kaun' ?

 

[lastofthepatriots]

From the Wikipedia page about Bulleh :

This is the song I, a "Bharti", posted above though I couldn't find the original vid. And did this anecdote of yours occur before or after he wrote 'Bulla ki jaana main kaun' ?

 

[bababho]

Since when is Urdu a indian language.
Are all indians as stupid as on this PDF?
India or Hindustan didnot exist before 75 years! It was british raj and before that mughal empire. Now i am in no mood to teach ignorant indian here anything. Learn history and you will see how many cultures infused with local culture in indian subcontinent and gave to new thriving cultures which are totally different from its origins.
Let me do you a favor go to dawn.com and see how indians flood the comment sections. Nobody in Pakistan give a damn about India yet politicians in India use Pakistan name for votes. Wion news, arnab which have hue following in india have been saying that civil war is gonna happen in Pakistan in coming days for LAST DECADE. Go to Aljazeera, TRT,DW, RT and see how indians flood the comment section even tho the news is not related to anything remotely Pakistani or indian.

1) Urdu was developed in current UP / Delhi region,
2) Most Pakistanis cannot speak proper Urdu , they can communicate in urdu but pronunciation is off by miles

Now people whose beliefs are just 1400 years old will give lecture on history of India
Go an read history of Karachi, Peshawar, Kandhar (Gandhar), Panjsher you will find answers (there are pre greek / greek era mention of these cities and the country and the culture)

Current Pakistan is just a baby, history of these lands is very old

 

[bababho]

Someone calling me a 10 year old without reading my comment which CLEARLY STATED MANY CULTURES INFUSED TOGATHER IN INDIAN SUBCONTINENT TO BIRTH NEW LOCAL ONES. Urdu is derived from arabic, persian,turkish and yet any body who is fluent in those languages wont understand urdu or anybody speaking urdu wont understand those said languages. According to your logic People in USA and spain,italy are also same.

Typical indian response, given hastly without any counter logic or fact and end with calling other person "names". Only a man child would call someone a 10 year old as an insult.
Ironically a 10 year old would have more intelligence than what your collective brethren have shown here.

My 10 year old
Urdu borrowed few words from Farsi, Arabic

Backbone of the language is based on Hindi (derived from Pali)
Grammar, Sentence structure (how you placed works to make it meaningful) everything is 100% same as Hindi

That is the reason why an arab will not be able to understand urdu (he can pick few works) for for a hindi person its hindi with 10% words from arabic

 

[jamahir]

1) Urdu was developed in current UP / Delhi region,
2) Most Pakistanis cannot speak proper Urdu , they can communicate in urdu but pronunciation is off by miles

Now people whose beliefs are just 1400 years old will give lecture on history of India
Go an read history of Karachi, Peshawar, Kandhar (Gandhar), Panjsher you will find answers (there are pre greek / greek era mention of these cities and the country and the culture)

Current Pakistan is just a baby, history of these lands is very old

While yes Urdu developed around Delhi you should ask the Dalits and Shudras about most of those pre-Greek pre-mere-1400-years-old beliefs in India :

Manu divides Hindus into four varnas i.e. casteism. He not only divide Hindus into four varnas, he also grades them. Besides prescribing rank and occupation Manu grants privilege to swarnas and imposes penalties on the shudras.The status of the Shudras in the Hindu society as prescribed by Manu the Law-giver and the Architect of Hindu society. There are so many Codes of the Manu Smriti against the Shudras which are below:

1. For the welfare of humanity the supreme creator Brahma, gave birth to the Brahmins from his mouth, the Kshatriyas from his shoulders, the Vaishyas from his thighs and Shudras from his feet. (Manu’s code I-31,)
2. God said the duty of a Shudra is to serve the upper varnas faithfully with devotion and without grumbling. (Manu 1-91) Manu is not satisfied with this. He wants this servile status of the Shudras to be expressed in the names and surnames of persons belonging to that community. Manu says:
3. Let the first part of a Brahman’s name denote something auspicious, a Kshatriya’s be connected with power, and a Vaishyas with wealth but a Shudra’s express something contemptible. (Manu II. 31.)
4. The second part of a Brahmin’s name shall be a word implying happiness, of a Kshatriya’s (a word) implying protection, of a Vaishya’s a term expressive of thriving and of a Shudra’s an expression denoting service. (Manu II. 32.)
5. A hundred year old Kshatriya must treat a ten year old Brahmin boy as his father. (Manu 11-135)
6. The Brahmin should never invite persons of other varnas for food. In case, the latter begs the Brahmin for food, the Brahmin may give them some left-over. Even these left-over must be served not by the Brahmin but by his servants outside the house. (Manu II2).
7. He who instructs Shudra pupils and he whose teacher is a Shudra shall become disqualified for being invited to a shradha. (Manu III. 156.)
8. A Shudra is unfit of receive education. The upper varnas should not impart education or give advice to a Shudra.It is not necessary that the Shudra should know the laws and codes and hence need not be taught. Violators will go to as amrita hell. (Manu IV-78 to 81)
9. “Let him not dwell in a country where the rulers are Shudras.” (Manu IV. 61)
10. He must never read the Vedas in the presence of the Shudras. (Manu IV. 99.)
11. Any country, where there are no Brahmins, of where they are not happy will get devastated and destroyed. (Manu VIII-20 to 22)
12. A Brahmana who is only a Brahman by decent i.e., one who has neither studied nor performed any other act required by the Vedas may, at the king’s pleasure, interpret the law to him i.e., act as the judge, but never a Shudra (however learned he may be). (Manu VIII. 20.)
13. The Kingdom of that monarch, who looks on while a Shudra settles the law, will sink low like a cow in the morass. (Manu VIII. 21.)
14. Any Brahmin, who enslaves or tries to enslave a Brahmin, is liable for a penalty of no less than 600 PANAS. A Brahmin can order a Shudra to serve him without any remuneration because the Shudra is created by Brahma to serve the Brahmins. Even if a Brahmin frees a Shudra from slavery the Shudra continues to be a slave as he is created for slavery. Nobody has the right to free him. (Manu VIII-50,56 and 59)
15. A Shudra who insults a twice born man with gross invectives shall have his tongue cut out; for he is of low origin. (Manu VIII. 270.)
16. If he mentions the names and castes of the (twice born) with contumely, an iron nail, ten fingers long, shall be thrust red hot into his mouth. (Manu VIII. 271.)
17. If a Shudra arrogantly presumes to preach religion to Brahmins, the king shall have poured burning oil in his mouth and ears. Manu VIII. 272.)
18. A Shudra who has an intercourse with a woman of the higher caste guarded or unguarded shall be punished n the following manner; if she was unguarded, he loses the offending part; if she was guarded then he should be put to death and his property confiscated.” (Manu VIII. 374.)
19. A Brahman may compel a Shudra, whether bought or unbought, to do servile work for he is created by the creator to be the slave of a Brahmana. (Manu VIII. 413.)
20. No Shudra should have property of his own, He should have nothing of his own. The existence of a wealthy Shudra is bad for the Brahmins. A Brahman may take possession of the goods of a Shudra. (ManuVIII-417 & X129)
21. A Brahman may seize without hesitation, if he be in distress for his subsistence, the goods of his Shudra. The Shudra can have only one occupation. This is one of the inexorable laws of Manu. says Manu. (Manu VIII. 417)
22. A Shudra who wants to just fill his stomach may serve a Vaishya. If he wants a permanent means of living he can serve a Kshatriya. But if he wants to go to heaven or wants higher or superior birth in the next generation he must serve a Brahmin. (ManuIX334 & 335)
23. The most sacred duty of a Shudra is to serve the Brahmins, always, reciting the words “Brahman” with utmost devotion. Such a Shudra will get salvation. Otherwise he will die a worst death and will go to the worst hell. (Manu X-121)
24. But let a (Shudra) serve Brahmans, either for the sake of heaven, or with a view to both (this life and the next) for he who is called the servant of a Brahman thereby gains all his ends. (Manu X. 122.)
25. The service of Brahmans alone is declared (to be) an excellent occupation for a Shudra for whatever else besides this he may perform will bear him no fruit. (Manu X. 123.)
26. They must allot to him out of their own family (property) a suitable maintenance, after considering his ability, his industry, and the number of those whom he is bound to support. (Manu X. 124.)
27. Brahmins to give Shudras food leftovers, old torn clothes, spoiled grain and old utensils (Manu X-125)
28. No superfluous collection of wealth must be made by a Shudra, even though he has power to make it, since a servile man, who has amassed riches, becomes proud, and, by his insolence or neglect, gives pain to Brahmins. (Manu X. 129.
29. A Brahmin shall never beg from a Shudra, property for (performing) a sacrifice i.e., for religious purposes. All marriages with the Shudra were prescribed. Marriage with a woman belonging to any of three other classes was forbidden.

Read also – Some Excerpts from Manusmriti – Law Book of Hindus

A Shudra was not to have a connection with a woman of the higher classes and an act of adultery committed by a Shudra with her was considered by Manu to be an offence involving capital punishment. (Manu XI. 24.)1, 2 ,3, 4In the matter of acquiring learning and knowledge Manu’s successors went much beyond him in the cruelty of their punishment of the Shudra for studying the Veda. For instance, Katyayana lays down that if a Shudra over heard the Veda or ventured to utter a word of the Veda, the king shall cut his tongue in twain and pour hot molten lead in his ear. Manu’s law book and its strict compliance by the Brahmans, it may be summarized that men and women are not born equal. There is no room for individual merit and no consideration of individual justice. If the individual has the privilege, it is not because it is due to his/her personally. The privilege goes with class, and if it is his/her good luck to enjoy it, he/she is destined to be born in the privileged class. On the other hand, if an individual is suffering in a class, it is because he belongs to that class. Thereby, logically speaking from Manusmriti’s point of view, the suffering of Shudras and women is because of their being part of their caste and sex respectively. Manu’s ‘social order’ breeds ‘social out-caste,’ which in turn dishes out ‘social injustice’ to the underprivileged. Narda’s ‘Smriti’ (law book), openly advocate slavery, but since Varnashram (a creation of caste system by the Manu) was critical and deviously interwoven into religion, to subjugate the Shudras through superstitions like opium to an addict, the Brahmans let the slaves die.”

Now please read below how those "mere 1400-years-old beliefs" brought socio-economic rights to Hindu females in India. The quoting is from a 2015 thread of mine whose OP is an article by an Indian Christian woman who married an Indian Muslim not under Christian marriage law, not under Indian civil law but under Islamic marriage law because that provided her better socio-economic rights in case of divorce ( codified divorce law was first brought out by Islam and the wife had the right to divorce too ) :

Maneka Gandhi, minister of women and child development, recently gave a call for prenuptial agreements to be recognised in India. According to her, if the terms for division of property, guardianship of children and spousal support are settled prior to marriage, divorces will be less acrimonious and disputes could be resolved expeditiously.

In the discussions that followed, as to whether such a step will, in fact, safeguard the rights of women, there was no mention that this concept is already rooted in Islamic law of marriage since the 7th century. The nikahnama, an Islamic marriage contract is, in fact, a prenuptial agreement that outlines the rights and responsibilities of the parties and provides for conditions to be included for safeguarding a woman’s rights upon marriage.

One wonders why a reference to the Islamic law was not made either by the minister or other experts. Married Muslim women, we find, are often on a higher and more secure footing than their counterparts from other religions. In fact, as a Christian marrying a Muslim, I chose to marry under the Muslim personal law, even over the seemingly modern Special Marriage Act, 1954, to better secure my economic rights. My mehr was a house in my name and my nikahnama includes necessary clauses to safeguard my and my children’s rights. My husband’s family members were witness to this document, which is registered and enforceable by law.

When we examine marriage laws in their historic context, it is interesting to note that the universally accepted notion that marriages are contractual rather than sacramental originates in Muslim law, which was accepted by the French law only in the 1800s and incorporated into the English law in the 1850s and became part of codified Hindu law as late as 1955. Today it appears to be the most practical way of dealing with the institution of marriage. Treating marriage as a sacrament which binds the parties for life has resulted in some of the most discriminatory practices against women such as sati and denial of right to divorce and remarriage, even in the most adverse conditions.

The cornerstone of a Muslim marriage is consent, ejab-o-qubul (proposal and acceptance) and requires the bride to accept the marriage proposal on her own free will. This freedom to consent (or refuse), which was given to Muslim women 1,400 years ago, is still not available under Hindu law since sacramental rituals such as saptapadi and kanya dan (seven steps round the nuptial fire and gifting of the bride to the groom) still form essential ceremonies of a Hindu marriage. Even after the codification of Hindu law, the notion of consent is not built into the marriage ceremonies.

The contract of marriage (nikahnama) allows for negotiated terms and conditions, it can also include the right to a delegated divorce (talaq-e-tafweez) where the woman is delegated the right to divorce her husband if any of the negotiated terms and conditions are violated.

Mehr is another unique concept of Muslim law meant to safeguard the financial future of the wife. It is an obligation, not a choice, and can be in the form of cash, valuables or securities. While there is no ceiling, a minimum amount to provide her security after marriage must be stipulated. This is a more beneficial concept than streedhan which is given by choice and usually by the natal family. In addition to Mehr, at the time of divorce, a Muslim woman has the right to fair and reasonable settlement, and this is statutorily recognised under the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Divorce) Act, 1986 as per the 2001 ruling of the Supreme Court in the Daniel Latifi case.

It is also important to address polygamy and triple talaq, two aspects of Muslim law which are generally used to discredit the community and argue in favour of a uniform civil code. While sharia law permits a man to have four wives (before 1956 Hindu law permitted unrestrained polygamy), it mandates equal treatment of all wives. If a man is not able to meet these conditions, he is not permitted to marry more than one woman. (Quran 4:3; Yusuf Ali’s translation)

On the other hand, though codification introduced monogamy for Hindus, the ground reality has not changed and Hindu men continue to be bigamous or polygamous. The most disturbing aspect is that while men in bigamous/adulterous relationships are allowed to go scot-free, it is the women who are made to pay the price. Women in invalid relationships with Hindu men are denied maintenance and protection and are referred to as “mistresses” and “concubines”, concepts specific to the uncodified Hindu law. Any attempt to codify Muslim law to bring in legal monogamy should not end up subjecting Muslim women to a plight similar to that of a Hindu second wife. This is an important concern which needs to be taken into account while reforming the Muslim law.

And lastly, the much maligned triple talaq or talaq-ul-biddat, which the Prophet himself considered as the most inappropriate form of divorce. Fortunately, in 2002, in Shamim Ara vs State of Uttar Pradesh & others, the Supreme Court laid down strict Quranic injunctions which must be followed at the time of pronouncing talaq, hence now fraudulent practices adopted by errant husbands (including email and SMS talaq) can no longer constitute valid talaq. Yet, after a decade and a half, very few know challenge the validity of such divorces in court as they are unaware about this ruling.

Though Muslim law stipulates many different ways to end a marriage, including a woman’s right to dissolve her marriage (khula), divorce by mutual consent (mubarra), delegated divorce (talaq-e-tafweez), judicial divorce (fasq) and dissolution under Muslim Marriage Act

As for inheritance law, Islamic law for that was progressive 1400 years ago and gave right to the female to inherit from including : (a) From parental estate and finance ( I say parental because the mother - any female - can also have self-acquired estate and finance ), (b). From husband. Read this summary document from the Indian legal system on the Islamic inheritance law :

Muslim law of succession constitutes four sources of Islamic law –
1. The Holy Quran
2. The Sunna - that is, the practice of the Prophet
3. The Ijma - that is, the consensus of the learned men of the community on what should be the decision on a particular point
4. The Qiya - that is, an analogical deduction of what is right and just in accordance with the good principles laid down by God.

Muslim law recognizes two types of heirs, Sharers and Residuaries. Sharers are the ones who are entitled to a certain share in the deceased’s property and Residuaries would take up the share in the property that is left over after the sharers have taken their part.

Sharers :

The Sharers are 12 in number and are as follows: (1) Husband, (2) Wife, (3) Daughter, (4) Daughter of a son (or son's son or son's son and so on), (5) Father, (6) Paternal Grandfather, (7) Mother, (8) Grandmother on the male line, (9) Full sister (10) Consanguine sister (11) Uterine sister, and (12) Uterine brother.

The share taken by each sharer will vary in certain conditions. For instance, a wife takes 1/4th of share in a case where the couple is without lineal descendants, and a one-eighth share otherwise. A husband (in the case of succession to the wife's estate) takes a half share in a case where the couple is without lineal descendants, and a one-fourth share otherwise. A sole daughter takes a half share. Where the deceased has left behind more than one daughter, all daughters jointly take two-thirds.

If the deceased had left behind son(s) and daughter(s), then, the daughters cease to be sharers and become residuaries instead, with the residue being so distributed as to ensure that each son gets double of what each daughter gets.

Non-Testamentary and Testamentary succession under Muslim law :

In Non-testamentary succession, the Muslim Personal Law (Shariat) Application Act, 1937 gets applied. On the other hand, in case of a person who dies testate i.e. 2 one who has created his will before death, the inheritance is governed under the relevant Muslim Shariat Law as applicable to the Shias and the Sunnis.

In cases where the subject matter of property is an immovable property, situated in the state of West Bengal, Chennai and Bombay, the Muslims shall be bound by the Indian Succession Act, 1925. This exception is only for the purposes of testamentary succession.

Birthright :

Inheritance of property in Muslim law comes only after the death of a person, any child born into a Muslim family does not get his right to property on his birth. If an heir lives even after the death of the ancestor, he becomes a legal heir and is therefore entitled to a share in the property. However, if the apparent heir does not survive his ancestor, then no such right of inheritance or share in the property shall exist.

Distribution of the Property :

Under the Muslim law, distribution of property can be made in two ways – per capita or per strip distribution.

The per capita distribution method is majorly used in the Sunni law. According to this method, the estate left over by the ancestors gets equally distributed among the heirs. Therefore, the share of each person depends on the number of heirs.

The per strip distribution method is recognised in the Shia law. According to this method of property inheritance, the property gets distributed among the heirs according to the strip they belong to. Hence the quantum of their inheritance also depends upon the branch and the number of persons that belong to the branch.

Rights of females :

Muslim does not create any distinction between the rights of men and women. On the death of their ancestor, nothing can prevent both girl and boy child to become the legal heirs of inheritable property. However, it is generally found that the quantum of the share of a female heir is half of that of the male heirs. The reason 3 behind this is that under the Muslim law a female shall upon marriage receive mehr and maintenance from her husband whereas males will have only the property of the ancestors for inheritance. Also, males have the duty of maintaining their wife and children.

Widow’s right to succession :

Under Muslim law, no widow is excluded from the succession. A childless Muslim widow is entitled to one-fourth of the property of the deceased husband, after meeting his funeral and legal expenses and debts. However, a widow who has children or grandchildren is entitled to one-eighth of the deceased husband's property. If a Muslim man marries during an illness and subsequently dies of that medical condition without brief recovery or consummating the marriage, his widow has no right of inheritance. But if her ailing husband divorces her and afterwards, he dies from that illness, the widow's right to a share of inheritance continues until she remarries.

A Child in the Womb :

A child in the womb of its mother is competent to inherit provided it is born alive. A child in the embryo is regarded as a living person and, as such, the property vests immediately in that child. But, if such a child in the womb is not born alive, the share already vested in it is divested and, it is presumed as if there was no such heir (in the womb) at all.

Escheat :

Where a deceased Muslim has no legal heir under Muslim law, his properties are inherited by Government through the process of escheat.

Marriage under the Special Marriage Act, 1954 :

Where a Muslim contracts his marriage under the Special Marriage Act, 1954, he ceases to be a Muslim for purposes of inheritance. Accordingly, after the death of such a Muslim his (or her) properties do not devolve under Muslim law of inheritance. The inheritance of the properties of such Muslims is governed by the provisions of the Indian Succession Act, 1925 and Muslim law of inheritance is not applicable.

Can you contrast these simple laws and rights for the females in "mere 1400 years old" Islamic law with this "pre-Greek pre-mere-1400-years-old beliefs" from India ?

 

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As if Pakistanis don't listen to Indian songs, which they should because music transcends the artificial national borders. I have watched clips of Pakistan Idol in which many contestants sang Indian songs.

We do but we never try to manipulate them in any way to proclaim them Pakistani songs. And Pakistani Singers do sing Indian songs to not only show off their skills but also work their singing in different vocal settings/surs etc.

Superstar singer was a good show. I remember I became a fan of Preeti from there:
Her audition:

And her final minus the last part edited:

 

[jamahir]

We do but we never try to manipulate them in any way to proclaim them Pakistani songs. And Pakistani Singers do sing Indian songs to not only show off their skills but also work their singing in different vocal settings/surs etc.

Got your point.

Superstar singer was a good show. I remember I became a fan of Preeti from there:
Her audition:

And her final minus the last part edited:

Thanks for reminding me of Prity. She won the season and she won hearts too because of not only her talent in tonality and adaptation but also presentation and as Alka said she is such a gudiya, people wishing for her to be their daughter, LOL.

And the third performance, 'Dhol bajne laga', which I liked a lot had one of the chorus girls being Nishtha Sharma who is also a good singer and one of her fine performances was 'Agar mujhse mohabbat hai' performed in front of Dharmendra whose film 'Aap Ki Parchhaiyan' the song is from :

 

[SQ8]

When a country becomes so unrecognizable for anything other than being a terror infested banana republic because it has no idea on how to effectively manage its perception. Then essentially it loses all control of its cultural identity.

Say what you may about India, but Indians are able to project a unified message and image about their culture. Pakistanis are one day coke studio and the other day burning KFCs chanting “Death to the west”. That is your image perception.

Secondary to this, Indians now control most of the content focus on the internet so they can label it as they please. Since the relative number of Pakistanis in IT is far less to what it should be based on population comparison - Pakistanis shouldn’t complain when they did not produce the right talent nor encourage it which could represent and control perception for them.

 

[Paitoo]

It doesn't matter. Really. The truth is what it is. If you know it, good.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Why you want to be us? Pakistanis have time and again expressed their discontent to be counted among you ugly folks. Why don't you lot identify as passiontely with Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans etc. Why us?

A Child always looks up to the Father not the sibling.

 

[SaadH]

Denial nibba I f ing live here for decade in 3 different cities, in suburbs and in downtown, in NYC itself
I have been active in cammunity

And I can swear on everything near, dear and loved to me and may it be cursed till eternity if I am lying

I have never seen this shit in my lifetime- in 9/11 yes my own father passed himself as Colombian fro couple years as his job required him to meet public, but afterwards I haven't see it but if it happened it (which I do not know of) was during dangerous situations for a specific period of time when Thier lives were threatened - people do not know the gun culture of US, random guy walks in and kill you

It happened to many Sikhs and Muslims, so many people were shot dead, it happens to Jews, rise in anti semitism, many Jews do not tell Thier Jewish background to people cause they were also shot dead in some conservative areas

That's just the atmosphere of the country doesn't represent majority of the people but with guns, you never know what a random man would do

So as a precaution against crazy people it happened during post 9/11 years and if it happens (which I haven't seen in all these years while living here, interacting with cammunity), it was more of a precaution than anything good in India itself, people at the time literally also called themselves Latinos, Jews in rising anti semetisim just become regular whites, - but only the braindead Indians thought it was something good in them

Never saw a Latino, white saying that, using someone's life threatening times to score points and somehow use it to think his identity is better or what not

That doesn't represent the overall attitude towards Muslim or pakistanis, nowadays I live in a Republican leaning suburb with heavy white majority but we were allowed to start a small mosque and everyone is very friendly and good to us, respect us, I love the country for it's openess to everyone
But everyone has guns, I do not know what one lone wolf man would do


North dindian or South dindian, make up and add shit on the internet all you want but that won't change your incel reality

That's @cocomo for posting this somewhere - this is the deep reasons behind all Thier frustrations

No one wants to be you cause just ones name being associated with your kind kill off any chances of getting swipped right on dating apps, Scam calls, tech support, unhygienic people

The only place where Indians consider themselves to be good is in India
Indians themselves desperately try to whitewash to not be associated with indianess, like literally just go to your disapora reddit, someone is always crying about it, every single day some inferiority complex ridden Indian diaspora guy opens a thread talking about racism by people, Thier shit genetics and overall vibes of God why I was born an Indian
All the signs of an incel people group

literally the most inferiority complexed people out there, we on the other hand walk around in kameez, make mosques even if we are 15 people - that's what we are, we have pride
A young Pakistani guy, girl would hate for people to give them Indian stereotypes, your own kind sound suicidal over being consider the Indian



I mean that's just what an Uzbek man I knew in the US told me, I don't know Thier country, language, traditions etc to know the reality
Just going of by what I heard from him

There a lot of Uzbek influence on Pakistani cuisine from samosa to pulao, most of our cuisine is influenced by Uzbek culture, except for if you are a saagh or aloo puneer eating punjabi.

BTW, Ghalib was also an Uzbek.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Question should be how do you stop it from happening?