Pakistani Militry knows India is preparing for a war - Haroon Rasheed

[Xenophon]

Why are you worried about Indian national drink ? you should be more worried about how much kilo of grass your family will be served this month so that the Punjabi officers of the PA can eat kabbab

AM a beef lover by thE way HAPPY EID Ul ADHA in advance

 

[graphican]

I'll give you intellectual,

Let me pepper some holes into your "analysis" for starters.

Soft wish how? Did Mr. Modi send a dossier for your eyes only to that effect?

You are going to argue that there has been rhetoric and warmongering from our leadership to which I will point out that everybody from the late Mr. Hamid Gul to your ex President Mr. Musharaff threatened to press the nuclear button every other week.
We can argue that our very existence is at stake as long as Pakistan possesses nuclear weapons and we need to take appropaite actions in order to ensure ou safety.

Shall we take those threats seriously?

We maintain that AJK and GB are an integral part of India just like you maintain that "Kashmir Banega Pakistan"

The only difference is YOU WENT TO WAR (refer to Op Grandslam) over Kashmir. We did not.

We have always wanted peace and sanctity within our borders. Yes, we will wage war if that is impinged upon. However we WILL NOT wage war because we have "hegemonic" designs. There is historic evidence to back this up.



That is nothing if not moronic. We want, well let me repharse that. We need Pakistan to prosper. A prosperous Pakistan translates into lesser number of fodder for the "Jihadi Tasleems" that plague this region. A prosperous Pakistan translates that you will have more to loose if you choose to wage war. Prosperity is the easiest and most painless way to guarantee peace within our time.



Pakistanis can keep supporting Kashmiris till kingdom come. We will keep slaughtering your hired goons till eternity. As far as other "liberation" movements are concerned, they are all extinct or on the verge of extinction. Case to the point, the Naxalite movement. We pound them to dust whenever those rats surface. We are happy with the satus quo. We invite you to support proxies, we will supoort our own. There is no frigging need to wage war for the same.



Again, rhetoric. We are happy with our gains /losses. Come to the table ad propose turning the LOC into the IB. We could talk. Demand Kashmir, we will walk. We do not have ambitions for further territorial gain. However we wll not let any tom, dick or harry come and demand an inch of our territory. Pakistan can become the next US of A for all we care. We write our own destiny, you write yours.

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Using bold text doesn't make your point any more worthy. Don't use bold unless you have something special to indicate.

There is too much text, I can talk in points.

• India has attempted war against Pakistan? 1971? 1987 with Israelis and 1989. Why not this time? Modi is a war mongerer not love gopi. Borders are hot already, weapons drawn, soldiers being killed on both sides, talks failing and hate for each other on the rise.
• Claiming Kashmir for India is not new, point is its brute force failing or succeeding and India is failing. Kashmiris are gaining momentum and their voice for libation is higher than it had in the last decade and a half.
• Ecnomic Corridoe has made India restless. With this development, India has tried and fail few strategies already. Price Karim Agha Khan gave you none, killing Ismaelis yielded you none, China gave you none, Pakistan giving you none. China will effectively encircle India with this development and India doesn't have a counter strategy except deny its development.

I have given you arguments and you've given me puff. "We can talk", "We will slaughter your goons" is all in-place and not working already.

It is in the best interest of India to undergo a war and try to get what it is unable to get from its pressure and terrorism tactics. I am not saying India can get its ambitions by war, but this is the best "fall" for India as far as its inters goes.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Why are you worried about Indian national drink ? you should be more worried about how much kilo of grass your family will be served this month so that the Punjabi officers of the PA can eat kabbab

look at it this way

in pakistan safest and easiest and possiballi most desirable way to earn money is to become a "tarzia nigaar" and no one came close to popularity of zaid hamid and hamid gul and there loss has prooved to be a juicy target to all the "second in line hub bul watan pakistani difaee tarzia nigaars "

so haroon rashid , shiekh rashid , ahmed qureshi , saleem bukhaari , senetor faizal abidi are trying to bring most potent "hindustani saazish" to get the crown

 

[Makaramarma]

AM a beef lover by thE way HAPPY EID Ul ADHA in advance

Then what a shame you will be eating Grass with your family to "celebrate" eid.

 

[graphican]

As a counter, maybe its Pakistan which is getting restless and wants a war? India continues to grow at a good pace, its basically adding one Pakistan to its GDP every year give or take, so before the gap between the two becomes too big, Pakistan wants to have a last crack at gaining Kashmir militarily?

If Pakistan couldn't take Kashmir from India in 1965, when India was at its weakest, what are the chances that Pakistan will be able to take Kashmir from India when India becomes a 5 Trillion dollar economy, ten times the size of Pakistan in some 5-6 years from now?

So its basically now or never of Pakistan. The 15 or so years that Pakistan lost focus due to the "WOT" has really given India the chance to run away and now there is no match between the two as far as conventional military strength is concerned.

Finally somebody with a counter logical attempt.

Could it be Pakistan itching for a war?
If Pakistan was not busy on the opposite border then sure you could think Pakistan wants to engage India - but as the reality stands, Pakistan is fighting a full-scale war on the western border using army, artillery, tanks, helicopters and fighting force. It is not possible that Pakistan would fight a war with one country and want another one to begin on an opposite border; specially at a time when it is winning its war the western side.

Fearing widening gap with India, Pakistan wants to attempt snatching Kashmir before the gap is too broad?
Makes sense if Pakistan was going backwards and India was going forward, then expecting gap to grow wider, Pakistan may had wanted that - but Pakistan is just starting its journey towards prosperity with a "jump-start". Terrorism has ended, Afghanistan is not in active-war, investments are coming and economic indicators are all jumping positive. Would Pakistan want a war now or 10 years down when it has more economic, military and influential muscle? 10 years down the road, may be, itching for war now is - not logical.

So no, neither of your points have a logical base. If Pakistan would want war, it would want it when it would suite it the most and it is not that time.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Finally somebody with a counter logical attempt.

Could it be Pakistan itching for a war?
If Pakistan was not busy on the opposite border then sure you could think Pakistan wants to engage India - but as the reality stands, Pakistan is fighting a full-scale war on the western border using army, artillery, tanks, helicopters and fighting force. It is not possible that Pakistan would fight a war with one country and want another one to begin on an opposite border; specially at a time when it is winning its war the western side.

Fearing widening gap with India, Pakistan wants to attempt snatching Kashmir before the gap is too broad?
Makes sense if Pakistan was going backwards and India was going forward, then expecting gap to grow wider, Pakistan may had wanted that - but Pakistan is just starting its journey towards prosperity with a "jump-start". Terrorism has ended, Afghanistan is not in active-war, investments are coming and economic indicators are all jumping positive. Would Pakistan want a war now or 10 years down when it has more economic, military and influential muscle? 10 years down the road, may be, itching for war now is - not logical.

So no, neither of your points have a logical base. If Pakistan would want war, it would want it when it would suite it the most and it is not that time.

in short

1. pakistani establishment and its media stooges wants to make just a war hysteria and creat sensationalism and that too to keep domestic audience bizzi in anty india frenzy instead of asking questions from the state and establishmnet against the local problems

2. forget every thing just remmeber : there is no short cut to sucsess

baki aap khud samjhdaar ho lagge raho

 

[graphican]

in short

1. pakistani establishment and its media stooges wants to make just a war hysteria and creat sensationalism and that too to keep domestic audience bizzi in anty india frenzy instead of asking questions from the state and establishmnet against the local problems

2. forget every thing just remmeber : there is no short cut to sucsess

baki aap khud samjhdaar ho lagge raho

Hoping you would read and understand my post next time, I am not saying, asking or suggesting to go at war with India. It is actually the other way around. I have given you logical reasons why it is in the best interest of India to attack Pakistan now than later. It is not warmongering, hate-fuelling but a logical break-down of becuase and because and because.

You can counter with your reasoning as @Roybot as done. He tried giving counter arguments which is good and welcome.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Hoping you would read and understand my post next time, I am not saying, asking or suggesting to go at war with India. It is actually the other way around. I have given you logical reasons why it is in the best interest of India to attack Pakistan now than later. It is not warmongering, hate-fuelling but a logical break-down of becuase and because and because.

You can counter with your reasoning as @Roybot as done. He tried giving counter arguments which is good and welcome.

i dont counter anything against war between india and pakistan cause i know its inevitable and pakistani establishments onli dream so lets not talk about it as to who wants it but let me clear you one fact in fact two facts

1.even after all this pakistan will be the first one to initiate it as india has many other important things to do than go to war with a nation like pakistan which infact was made on hate gainst india and hindus

2.India will never attack pakistan the way its security establishment wants too dont trust me watch last nights baylag where your own analyst Moeed yusouf had made indian position pretty clear specialli in the last leg of the programme

 

[graphican]

i dont counter anything against war between india and pakistan cause i know its inevitable and pakistani establishments onli dream so lets not talk about it as to who wants it but let me clear you one fact in fact two facts

1.even after all this pakistan will be the first one to initiate it as india has many other important things to do than go to war with a nation like pakistan which infact was made on hate gainst india and hindus

2.India will never attack pakistan the way its security establishment wants too dont trust me watch last nights baylag where your own analyst Moeed yusouf had made indian position pretty clear specialli in the last leg of the programme

What you are giving is an opinion without giving grounds of your opinion. Pakistan would want war, Pakistani establishment will do this and that - why? Why at this time when it is busy killing terrorists? Care explaining this part?

Share link to the talk you are referring to.

 

[Roybot]

Finally somebody with a counter logical attempt.

Could it be Pakistan itching for a war?
If Pakistan was not busy on the opposite border then sure you could think Pakistan wants to engage India - but as the reality stands, Pakistan is fighting a full-scale war on the western border using army, artillery, tanks, helicopters and fighting force. It is not possible that Pakistan would fight a war with one country and want another one to begin on an opposite border; specially at a time when it is winning its war the western side.

Well sometimes you gotto make take tough decisions. Pakistan has almost cleaned up the mess on its western border, and the remaining threat that emanates from there can be taken care of by the paramilitary forces. The troops are already war ready, battle hardered and rearing to go, think of the operations on your western border as a warm up match before Pakistan plays the actual match on the Eastern border. Pakistan will never ever impose a full scale invasion to take Kashmir from India of course. But an operation along the lines of Kargil cannot be ruled out, not to forget that Pakistan has more than enough assets still stationed on its eastern border to fend off any challenge from India.

Fearing widening gap with India, Pakistan wants to attempt snatching Kashmir before the gap is too broad?
Makes sense if Pakistan was going backwards and India was going forward, then expecting gap to grow wider, Pakistan may had wanted that - but Pakistan is just starting its journey towards prosperity with a "jump-start". Terrorism has ended, Afghanistan is not in active-war, investments are coming and economic indicators are all jumping positive. Would Pakistan want a war now or 10 years down when it has more economic, military and influential muscle? 10 years down the road, may be, itching for war now is - not logical.

So no, neither of your points have a logical base. If Pakistan would want war, it would want it when it would suite it the most and it is not that time.

Yes of course Pakistan too is growing, although at a slower pace than India. When Pakistan grows by 5% it adds say 10 Billion dollars to its economy, when India grows by 5% its adds over 100 Billion to its economy. Hence the widening gap.

In 10 years India would be atleast a 7 Trillion dollar economy, good luck trying to take anything from India, so this is the only window Pakistan is left with. It would be like Vietnam trying to fight China over South China Sea.

 

[GURU DUTT]

What you are giving is an opinion without giving grounds of your opinion. Pakistan would want war, Pakistani establishment will do this and that - why? Why at this time when it is busy killing terrorists? Care explaining this part?

Share link to the talk you are referring to.

pakistani ewstablishment is just trying to whipp up war frenzy in a nation where each and every part of its state institutions is falling apart deu to uncheked corruption and incompetnce and people are agitated over lack of governence , bijli ka bohran and risisng feul and food prices and what better way than to show them all yet another "truck ki batti" ... this time batti is neuclear

and as always pakistani media and publick is getting worked up withowt looking at things the logical way

why should india go to war with pakistan in the first place ?

what can be achived for india thru this war ?

now what pakistanies should be asking its establishment regarding terrorism is to how come no action was taken against the breeding grounds and training and arming grounds of these terroists rats in pakistan ?

what did they did against the criminals of mehran, minhas , kakul , GHQ , Karachi airport and parade ground mosque attackers and the organizations they were part of most of whome proudlli relased the videops and pictures of those criminals after the attacks ?

what was done to trace there movements and financial sources ?

what was done to make an example owt of them ?

forget that what till date is done against the killers of salman taseer and your ex minister bhatti ?

what has been done to nab the kidnappers of yousuf raza gillanies and salman taseers sons ?

even forget all that what was done against the organizations that trained and armed the attackers of APS peshawar even after they released pictures of those criminals ?

why even after these relevations and pictures in publick many difaee tarzia nigaars on prime time news channels opennli are accusing RAW or india for such an act ?

why even on this forum after all that there are many members accusing RAW or india for the same ... what action is taken against them?

in short = its very easy to make an accusition and get away with it in pakistan as pakistanies are way too emotional to talk logic and nail the lie and call a sapade a spade specially when india is in equation


AMEER E SHEHER GARIBON KO LOOT LETA HAI

KABHI BANAM E WATAN TO KABHI BALEEHA E MAZHAB

and pakistani security establishment is doing just that and you sir want me to give you a link for that

 

[graphican]

Well sometimes you gotto make take tough decisions. Pakistan has almost cleaned up the mess on its western border, and the remaining threat that emanates from there can be taken care of by the paramilitary forces. The troops are already war ready, battle hardered and rearing to go, think of the operations on your western border as a warm up match before Pakistan plays the actual match on the Eastern border. Pakistan will never ever impose a full scale invasion to take Kashmir from India of course. But an operation along the lines of Kargil cannot be ruled out, not to forget that Pakistan has more than enough assets still stationed on its eastern border to fend off any challenge from India.

This very moment there is a hot operation in progress in tehar valley and our Air-chief in the last day or so has delivered bombs at terrorist hide-outs. It is in progress and we do not have a date by which it is ending. When terrorists are killed, it is going to take years before sufficient civil infrastructure is back in place and strong-enough to prevent and counter any future terrorist attempts. Your this argument doesn't hold ground.

Yes of course Pakistan too is growing, although at a slower pace than India. When Pakistan grows by 5% it adds say 10 Billion dollars to its economy, when India grows by 5% its adds over 100 Billion to its economy. Hence the widening gap.

In 10 years India would be atleast a 7 Trillion dollar economy, good luck trying to take anything from India, so this is the only window Pakistan is left with. It would be like Vietnam trying to fight China over South China Sea.

Okay anther good attempt, lets assume the gap is actually widening and Pakistan is looking to chuk Kashmir before it is too hard to get. You have a logical space there - but If the gap is widening, that would stop widening after we snatch Kashmir from India? Hypothetically, if Pakistan is able to snatch Kashmir from India now, would it not take it back in 10 years time once it is 7 trillion economy? Would Pakistan be looking to challenge a country that is getting stronger and still sitting next to us?

No matter which way you put, War with India is not in our interest for at least next 10-20 years. Pakistan would never give up on Kashmir, let there be no doubt on that but it is not looking to undergo any military adventure with India for any reason what so ever. It needs time to kill its germs, it needs time to gain its economic health and then, perhaps then it would challenge India as then it would be in its best interest to do so - but not now.

If tomorrow India and Pakistan go to a war, you can see who's "war call" it would be.

 

[RazorMC]

I don't see India gearing up for war. And at present, neither is Pakistan.

What we're looking at might just be some posturing and muscle-flexing at most. We have enough deterrence even without the nuclear option.

 

[graphican]

pakistani ewstablishment is just trying to whipp up war frenzy in a nation where each and every part of its state institutions is falling apart deu to uncheked corruption and incompetnce and people are agitated over lack of governence , bijli ka bohran and risisng feul and food prices and what better way than to show them all yet another "truck ki batti" ... this time batti is neuclear

and as always pakistani media and publick is getting worked up withowt looking at things the logical way

why should india go to war with pakistan in the first place ?

what can be achived for india thru this war ?

now what pakistanies should be asking its establishment regarding terrorism is to how come no action was taken against the breeding grounds and training and arming grounds of these terroists rats in pakistan ?

what did they did against the criminals of mehran, minhas , kakul , GHQ , Karachi airport and parade ground mosque attackers and the organizations they were part of most of whome proudlli relased the videops and pictures of those criminals after the attacks ?

what was done to trace there movements and financial sources ?

what was done to make an example owt of them ?

forget that what till date is done against the killers of salman taseer and your ex minister bhatti ?

what has been done to nab the kidnappers of yousuf raza gillanies and salman taseers sons ?

even forget all that what was done against the organizations that trained and armed the attackers of APS peshawar even after they released pictures of those criminals ?

why even after these relevations and pictures in publick many difaee tarzia nigaars on prime time news channels opennli are accusing RAW or india for such an act ?

why even on this forum after all that there are many members accusing RAW or india for the same ... what action is taken against them?

in short = its very easy to make an accusition and get away with it in pakistan as pakistanies are way too emotional to talk logic and nail the lie and call a sapade a spade specially when india is in equation


AMEER E SHEHER GARIBON KO LOOT LETA HAI

KABHI BANAM E WATAN TO KABHI BALEEHA E MAZHAB

and pakistani security establishment is doing just that and you sir want me to give you a link for that

Guru.. Common on mate, we are here in the forum for years.. can you not show a more reasonable side of yours than this? I actually expect bit more from Seniors like yourself.

 

[I.R.A]

with people like you around, the world will eventually come down to that

You trying to blame me for something? Say it out loud then. After that I will consider if you are worth a reply.