Pakistani Liberals meeting in USA to discuss Pakistan

[El Sidd]

I will again reiterate government will be held accountable. Feeding its people is government's duty, using the resources to optimum to gain max benefits for humans is government's duty, control over means of production should be with the government. And last but not least educating the populace is government's job.

The people who believe procreation is their right ....... what professions are they in? Majority of them.

If you start seeing profession in such light.

Whose stopping you to bring the caste system? It was based on a thought much similar.

Feeding the people is Allahs duty.

I have had the opportunity of mingling with people from every walk of life from across the globe. I have no doubt that only Allah can feed these people.

First of all Pakistan is not facing an overpopulation crisis by any means. Secondly there is enough land out there to conquer if the current cant provide for the Pakistanis.

 

[I.R.A]

Feeding the people is Allahs duty.

Please. Read again, HE is not going to send anything from heavens or skies ........ its already provided for in this Earth. HE has fulfilled HIS promise even before sending the humans to this planet.

The reason I said means of production should be with the government.

If you start seeing profession in such light.

Whose stopping you to bring the caste system? It was based on a thought much similar.

If you don't know beggary is profession in Pakistan. Have you seen a barber's son become PM of Pakistan? Most probably 90% of the times, he will be forced to become a barber, motor mechanic, motorcycle mechanic ..... you are killing there, if you bring him to world and then cannot provide for him to raise a level above you.

Don't look to sky now .......... ALLAH is lawful, just and non interfering. Sort it out.

First of all Pakistan is not facing an overpopulation crisis by any means. Secondly there is enough land out there to conquer if the current cant provide for the Pakistanis.

Pakistanis aren't educated enough to develop and settle into new cities. Unless you wish to and are fine with huge garbage heaps in Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad ........ Pakistan isn't facing a overpopulation crisis.

Name one thing that has improved with increase in population ........ lets see.

 

[Areesh]

What this Saathi Forum is about?

To promote use of Sathi condom so that we don't have more of Hussain Haqqani, Marvi Sirmad, Gul Bukhari etc in this world

 

[El Sidd]

Please. Read again, HE is not going to send anything from heavens or skies ........ its already provided for in this Earth. HE has fulfilled HIS promise even before sending the humans to this planet.

The reason I said means of production should be with the government.

Governments sole responsibility is the fair distribution of wealth and resource while ensuring law and order.
Population control is natures job.

If you don't know beggary is profession in Pakistan. Have you seen a barber's son become PM of Pakistan? Most probably 90% of the times, he will be forced to become a barber, motor mechanic, motorcycle mechanic ..... you are killing there, if you bring him to world and then cannot provide for him to raise a level above you.

Don't look to sky now .......... ALLAH is lawful, just and non interfering. Sort it out.

So shall we rid the concept of Qiyamah and Allahs judgement and start playing God?
The concept of beggary is static and its solution is provided by giving them rights as per the scrolls.
Even in most advanced first world countries, begging mafia exists.
Law and order situation is not over population.

Pakistanis aren't educated enough to develop and settle into new cities. Unless you wish to and are fine with huge garbage heaps in Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad ........ Pakistan isn't facing a overpopulation crisis.

Name one thing that has improved with increase in population ........ lets see.

There are now more Pakistanis in the world. A bustling nation of 220 million people with a clout expanding all continents. Even animals understand that there is safety in numbers. Apparently people from your profession do not.

Farmers dont belong to concrete jungles. They will return to their greener pastures if you stop making housing schemes on fertile land. Traders will move to trading points along the silk route given security of business and rights.

 

[I.R.A]

Governments sole responsibility is the fair distribution of wealth and resource while ensuring law and order.
Population control is natures job.

Fair distribution of wealth and resource without any planning .......... I get you.

So shall we rid the concept of Qiyamah and Allahs judgement and start playing God?
The concept of beggary is static and its solution is provided by giving them rights as per the scrolls.
Even in most advanced first world countries, begging mafia exists.
Law and order situation is not over population.

How wearing a condom after 2 to 3 kids, is anything to do with Qiyamah.

What rights can be given to a person who is sexually active to produce more beggars?

It is plain simple ......... if you are beggar with 24 children and four wives, you are adding 24 beggars to the economy .......... a burden to existing resources.

Wheat and cotton don't grow on their own .......... human input is required.

Farmers dont belong to concrete jungles. They will return to their greener pastures if you stop making housing schemes on fertile land. Traders will move to trading points along the silk route given security of business and rights.

So your idea ............ is to have 440 million and ever increasing bhookay nangay Pakistani without any homes of their own.

There are now more Pakistanis in the world. A bustling nation of 220 million people with a clout expanding all continents. Even animals understand that there is safety in numbers. Apparently people from your profession do not.

More Pakistanis in the world ......... and what is their contribution?

You sound like as if Pakistanis are some tribe and they will fight other tribes for resources so they need to increase their useless huge numbers.

 

[El Sidd]

Fair distribution of wealth and resource without any planning .......... I get you.

The government gets 5 years. The Population will Not get 10 folds in a tenure unless monarchy decides the worth of the subjects.

How wearing a condom after 2 to 3 kids, is anything to do with Qiyamah.

What rights can be given to a person who is sexually active to produce more beggars?

It is plain simple ......... if you are beggar with 24 children and four wives, you are adding 24 beggars to the economy .......... a burden to existing resources.

Wheat and cotton don't grow on their own .......... human input is required.

Fear Allah more than you fear poverty

So your idea ............ is to have 440 million and ever increasing bhookay nangay Pakistani without any homes of their own

And you idea cannot provide half of it because i am typing this naked and hungry

More Pakistanis in the world ......... and what is their contribution?

You sound like as if Pakistanis are some tribe and they will fight other tribes for resources so they need to increase their useless huge numbers.

They are living peacefully and do not have to shout about their existence.

The Pakistani Nation must fight the other tribes for their worthy Rights over freedom and Resource. Water wars will be tribal in that sense.

 

[maithil]

These people go to different cities to feel good about themselves. They very well know that the values they are speaking of, will never be implemented. Its good to have an all expenses paid trip, and feel intellectual.

 

[graphican]

i may disagree with them but its not mean i start abusing them . they have every right to meet up or do whatever

Pakistan has reached a point in its journey towards prosperity where no meeting and no pressure group can change its course. People who act against the state should not be given half a chance and half a tolerance, but if they are just a political group, there is no harm is letting them do what they are doing.

 

[I.R.A]

The government gets 5 years. The Population will Not get 10 folds in a tenure unless monarchy decides the worth of the subjects.

It doesn't matter who is in the office for 5 years. And honestly it is totally useless when the illiterate hordes of Pakistanis elect the most worst and corrupt amongst them to govern.

Fear Allah more than you fear poverty

I fear ALLAH that's why I fear poverty ......... unlike traditional Mullahs and general misunderstanding, poverty is not a blessing but result of your own doing and a punishment in this world.

And you idea cannot provide half of it because i am typing this naked and hungry

When was the last time when you had to live in a 7X7 single room with your other 12 siblings? When was the last time your father failed to properly clothe you, feed you, educate you? Did you ever have to go through that mental trauma where you as a little kid would fail to understand why like other normal kids you don't get to wear new clothes on Eid, and instead are made to stand outside an eidgah or mosque asking for money.

You can type anything naked or in a burqah ...... but it is a disappointment to realise that you would fail to see the human suffering.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

#SaathConference2018WashingtonDC

Or shall I say the known traitors

A mass shooting by a crazy “lone wolf” could have solved this issue..

 

[El Sidd]

poverty is not a blessing but result of your own doing and a punishment in this world.

Thats Not correct. Care to elaborate ?

You

I am irrelevant in this.

 

[I.R.A]

Thats Not correct. Care to elaborate ?

What are the qualities of a Momin? Can he be dumb fool who cannot see the bigger picture ........ can he be satisfied living like animals? Can he be content when he is occupied with worries of worldly matters and gets no time to think about his CREATOR and Creations of the CREATOR? Can a momin live without seeking knowledge and evolving mentally?

Now read again what I said, and do ponder why Mullah brigade makes it look like a blessing. Being piss poor, living like animals, dehumanized, is not a blessing.

unlike traditional Mullahs and general misunderstanding, poverty is not a blessing but result of your own doing and a punishment in this world.

I am irrelevant in this.

You are as much relevant as I am. Else there is no point having this debate on someone else's behalf.

 

[El Sidd]

What are the qualities of a Momin? Can he be dumb fool who cannot see the bigger picture ........ can he be satisfied living like animals? Can he be content when he is occupied with worries of worldly matters and gets no time to think about his CREATOR and Creations of the CREATOR? Can a momin live without seeking knowledge and evolving mentally?

Now read again what I said, and do ponder why Mullah brigade makes it look like a blessing. Being piss poor, living like animals, dehumanized, is not a blessing.

Noooo.

What next only People with higher IQs are momin or only rich so the poor can be labelled as khawarij or taken Jizya from.

No.

You are as much relevant as I am. Else there is no point having this debate on someone else's behalf.

Being Personal is not quite the right basis of having a debate on political matter now is it?

I have posted previously i am a son of a daily wage worker. Its another story that my father for first 16 years enjoyed having multiple slaves at offer for remedial chores.

 

[Hassan90]

Design liberals work mostly for foreign countries agenda and this is just 1 prove of their traitorous act.

 

[I.R.A]

Noooo.

What next only People with higher IQs are momin or only rich so the poor can be labelled as khawarij or taken Jizya from.

No.

IQs don't remain same forever. It can be improved. Its not like people would get born stupid.

I think Quran is full of wisdom .......... so can a Momin be stupid then?

Poor are poor because they choose to remain poor.