Pakistani ICBM

[The Deterrent]

Could you point out what you're finding funny in my comment? I'm having difficulty understanding it.

 

[AUz]

Could you point out what you're finding funny in my comment? I'm having difficulty understanding it.

Why you folks are going in circles for no reason?

You know what’s funny to him. Shaheen 3 is shown to have two stages in pictures and other internet info (atleast “stages” in conventional sense).

You are claiming it is not a two-stage weapon.

Just explain your point a bit more. Does S-3 has three full-fledged stages? Seems too inefficient for 2750km range?? May be it has 2.5 stages...with third “stage” being a “juggar” from our side??

Just explain ur post further?

 

[The Deterrent]

Why you folks are going in circles for no reason?

You know what’s funny to him. Shaheen 3 is shown to have two stages in pictures and other internet info (atleast “stages” in conventional sense).

You are claiming it is not a two-stage weapon.

Just explain your point a bit more. Does S-3 has three full-fledged stages? Seems too inefficient for 2750km range?? May be it has 2.5 stages...with third “stage” being a “juggar” from our side??

Just explain ur post further?

I merely wanted to point out to other posters that their beliefs regarding Shaheen-III were misplaced, thats all.

You can draw your own conclusions.

 

[Safriz]

Why you folks are going in circles for no reason?

You know what’s funny to him. Shaheen 3 is shown to have two stages in pictures and other internet info (atleast “stages” in conventional sense).

You are claiming it is not a two-stage weapon.

Just explain your point a bit more. Does S-3 has three full-fledged stages? Seems too inefficient for 2750km range?? May be it has 2.5 stages...with third “stage” being a “juggar” from our side??

Just explain ur post further?

Look at Agni-V three stage configuration
All three are solid fuel stages as evident from cable runners circled in red
The third stage is tucked away in upper triangle
Shaheen-3 has similar arrangement

Pakistan spent 12 years in designing a new type of strategic warhead which is on average 40% smaller and lighter than previous one.

The extra space available in Shaheen-3 due to smaller and lighter warhead was filled with a small third stage in the top cone.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Look at Agni-V three stage configuration
All three are solid fuel stages as evident from cable runners circled in red
The third stage is tucked away in upper triangle
Shaheen-3 has similar arrangement

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Pakistan spent 12 years in designing a new type of strategic warhead which is on average 40% smaller and lighter than previous one.
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The extra space available in Shaheen-3 due to smaller and lighter warhead was filled with a small third stage in the top cone.

This is not called third stages but warhead separation subsytems @شاھین میزایل

 

[Safriz]

This is not called third stages but warhead separation subsytems @شاھین میزایل

It's both .

 

[Ultima Thule]

It's both .

this not consider as stage, do you know what its length as compare to 1st and 2nd stages @شاھین میزایل

It's both .

As for your information every BM have warhead separation subsystem since 60s era and no one counts warhead separation subsystem as stage, US Minuteman ICBM and Russian TOPOL ICBM have warhead separation subsystem but all information on the net said these 2 stages BM @شاھین میزایل

 

[Safriz]

this not consider as stage, do you know what its length as compare to 1st and 2nd stages @شاھین میزایل


As for your information every BM have warhead separation subsystem since 60s era and no one counts warhead separation subsystem as stage, US Minuteman ICBM and Russian TOPOL ICBM have warhead separation subsystem but all information on the net said these 2 stages BM @شاھین میزایل

Yes third stage may not seperate by design The definition of a stage is the part of a rocket system which adds to the range.
For example the third stage of Trident missile also never separates and is part of the warhead assembly.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Yes third stage may not seperate by design The definition of a stage is the part of a rocket system which adds to the range.
For example the third stage of Trident missile also never separates and is part of the warhead assembly.
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yes, there are few exceptions will not count, but almost all BMs warhead separation subsystem don't count as a stage @شاھین میزایل

 

[The Deterrent]

this not consider as stage, do you know what its length as compare to 1st and 2nd stages @شاھین میزایل


As for your information every BM have warhead separation subsystem since 60s era and no one counts warhead separation subsystem as stage, US Minuteman ICBM and Russian TOPOL ICBM have warhead separation subsystem but all information on the net said these 2 stages BM @شاھین میزایل

Agni-V DOES have a conical composite third solid-fuel stage. It is a propulsion stage, not a 'warhead separation subsystem'. Agni-V's correction system is integrated into its RV and does not separate.

 

[Arsalan 345]

we definitely need icbm but before icbm,we need more new cruise missiles with long range and with hypersonic speed.india fears cruise missiles.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Agni-V DOES have a conical composite third solid-fuel stage. It is a propulsion stage, not a 'warhead separation subsystem'. Agni-V's correction system is integrated into its RV and does not separate.

I already told @شاھین میزایل we have few exceptions but most BMs don't count warhead separation subsystem as stage of BM @The Deterrent sir

 

[The Deterrent]

Pakistan spent 12 years in designing a new type of strategic warhead which is on average 40% smaller and lighter than previous one.

If you're basing this conclusion on the difference of introduction of Shaheen-II (2005) and Shaheen-III (2015), then its 10 years but nevertheless the conclusion is incorrect. Go back in time to the introduction of Shaheen-IA, your assumed figure will fall significantly.

I already told @شاھین میزایل we have few exceptions but most BMs don't count warhead separation subsystem as stage of BM @The Deterrent sir

A propulsion stage is a stage, not a subsystem.
What you're referring to are called Post-Boost Vehicles, which are not counted as stages.
The component of Agni-V you both are referring to is a proper stage. Trident-II D5's quoted image also shows a proper third propulsion stage, inside the PBV & MIRV-bus doughnut.

 

[Safriz]

Above is shaheen-1A testbed version which was never deployed and appeared with new warhead in 2012..


Below is shaheen-1A deployed version which has a different warhead and can be seen in 23rd March parades and one old video from yousuf raza gilani era.

If you're basing this conclusion on the difference of introduction of Shaheen-II (2005) and Shaheen-III (2015), then its 10 years but nevertheless the conclusion is incorrect. Go back in time to the introduction of Shaheen-IA, your assumed figure will fall significantly.


A propulsion stage is a stage, not a subsystem.
What you're referring to are called Post-Boost Vehicles, which are not counted as stages.
The component of Agni-V you both are referring to is a proper stage. Trident-II D5's quoted image also shows a proper third propulsion stage, inside the PBV & MIRV-bus doughnut.

1A has two versions. The deployed version uses entirely different warhead or legacy warhead .
The other "more pointy " is a testbed
The deployed version emerged much earlier as you say. But the pointy one was in 2012 and later, on which the new warhead assembly was tested before deployment on S-3 and Ababeel.

 

[Ultima Thule]

A propulsion stage is a stage, not a subsystem.
What you're referring to are called Post-Boost Vehicles, which are not counted as stages.
The component of Agni-V you both are referring to is a proper stage. Trident-II D5's quoted image also shows a proper third propulsion stage, inside the PBV & MIRV-bus doughnut.

thanks for clarifying me sir but already knows that PBV is not consider as stages but if look close the pics posted by @شاھین میزایل its clearly shows no propulsion it has but in fact it a warhead separation subsystem/attitude correction system @The Deterrent sir

1A has two versions. The deployed version uses entirely different warhead or legacy warhead .
The other "more pointy " is a testbed
The deployed version emerged much earlier as you say. But the pointy one was in 2012 and later, on which the new warhead assembly was tested before deployment on S-3 and Ababeel.

S-3 is not 3 stage BM as you speculate @شاھین میزایل