Pakistani FM Hina Rabbani avoids Bangladeshi FM Momen’s call to seek apology for 1971 genocide at Colombo

[leonblack08]

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Transfer of power was their (establishment) F up, may be they had their reason (unreasonable demands from Bangalis). Bangalis were in majority and should have use political means to fight back, instead the resorting to target non-bangalis and govt building. Bangalis started the bloodshed and colluded with the enemy. Pakistan Army was totally justified to use force to bring back law and order.

Political fightback exactly what was going on. Strikes and the occasional civilian violence. You need riot police for that. This was a civilian matter, police should have been involved. Not soldiers and tanks, with orders to shoot to kill anyone on sight.

Regardless of what your narratives say, until March 25, no East Pakistani Bengali Military officer was involved in these political demonstrations. They defected and joined the war after the atrocities of Operation Searchlight became known to everyone. Many were held captive in the West during the entirety of the war. These military officers spearheaded the Mukti Bahini. All sector commanders were Bengali officers of Pakistan army.

Before you question the loyalty of these men- these were the very same soldiers who participated in the defence of Lahore in 1965. East Bengal Regiment won 12 gallantry award. Major Ziaur Rahman, who was one of the sector commanders and was later the President of Bangladesh, had received Hilal-i-Jurat for the Indo-Pak War in 1965.

Mukti Bahini received its volunteers after March 25. Prior to that it wasn't Mukti Bahini. It was just a small number of political goons of Awami league involved in the usual political violence. Operation Searchlight and events leading up to that was Pakistani Generals' own doing.

I don't believe Bangladeshi 3 million narrative. But even if it was just a couple of thousand civilian killed, it was wrong and unjustified action. The moment operation searchlight was launched, there was absolutely no way back. Partition was guaranteed.

Anyway, I won't waste any more of my time discussing with you, since you clearly blindly follow the military establishment narrative. These things have been discussed and dissected thousands of time in this very forum. There are plenty of documents available for you to read only if you are willing to open minded.

We will leave the justice to Allah.

 

[leonblack08]

how did bongabundu win all but 2 seats in East Pakistan? did he go back to the future to take democracy lessons from hasina sadam and putin?

It's not that difficult to comprehend. You look at the election results, you can see people on both sides voted for their regional candidates. For Instance, Awami League won almost nothing in the West. It is not surprising.

Prior to 1970 election, there were enough factors to cause resentment amongst East Pakistanis. For Instance the fact that Eastern wing of the country was left virtually defenceless for India to take on during 1965 war. Even East Bengal Regiment was put on duty to save Lahore. It's just that India at that time did not have the capability to fight two fronts. These national security concern was one of the 6 points.

If you need a proof of the fact that East wasn't defended well - the fact that there were only 30 to 40 k soldiers out of 90k pows who surrendered. There was minimal air force presence too. For a wing of your country where more than half of your population lives, there simply wasn't enough military assets to protect it. If there was, then Pakistan military would have been able to defend better in 1971. Not capitulate in 2 weeks after the conventional war started with India in December 1971.

This is just one aspect. Not to forget the cyclone Bhola in 1970 happening just a month before the election and the mismanagement relief activities. Yahya Khan had acknowledged himself there were delays and mistakes in dealing with the cyclone's aftermath. The death toll from that cyclone reached 300k. And people were not happy about the response from West.

So it is not inconceivable that Awami League won a landslide in 1970. People were angry and they wanted their candidate in power.

So before throwing in snarky remarks to muddy the water, read up on history from time to time.

Both India and BD were Sh!t behind compared to Pakistan till 90s. Than bunch of crooks politicians took over, while country was under sanctions and than WoT started in 2001. BD has to face none of it.

Once political turmoil is fix, Pakistan will leave both of them behind again.

For your information - BD was ravaged by cyclone and a bloody war in 1970. We started from zero. There was destruction of lives and property. So of course we were behind Pakistan in the 90s.

The fact that you are comparing the two is utterly ridiculous.

 

[VikingRaider]

What BD ,s daddy indians cant do how son will do ?

Sir , rather you should say BAL's daddy indians.

Thanks and regards!

 

[M. Sarmad]

Our Bangladeshi friends are still imprisoned by wartime partisan myths.

They firmly believe that millions of Bengalis were killed by Pak Forces and they vehemently deny/justify Bihari genocide committed by Bengali nationalists

Many Pakistanis do believe that Bengalis were wronged, but you won't find a single Bengali acknowledging/condemning the heinous atrocities committed by Bengalis against non-Bengalis/pro-Pak Bengali men, women and children

As for those Bangladeshi posters telling us that Pakistan is a nobody, well, then what are you doing on a Pakistani Forum?.. For us Pakistanis, Bangladesh is just another geopolitically irrelevant Indian vassal state.

We share religion (and some common history/struggle) and that's the only reason many Pakistanis have a soft corner for Bengalis. If Bengalis seek apology, then they should acknowledge their own wrongdoings also. It was a civil war. Both sides committed excesses. Putting entire responsibility on one side and trying to paint the other as completely innocent/saints won't help.

PS: Hina Rabbani is not Pak FM, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is

 

[leonblack08]

Our Bangladeshi friends are still imprisoned by wartime partisan myths.

They firmly believe that millions of Bengalis were killed by Pak Forces and they vehemently deny/justify Bihari genocide committed by Bengali nationalists

Many Pakistanis do believe that Bengalis were wronged, but you won't find a single Bengali acknowledging/condemning the heinous atrocities committed by Bengalis against non-Bengalis/pro-Pak Bengali men, women and children

As for those Bangladeshi posters telling us that Pakistan is a nobody, well, then what are you doing on a Pakistani Forum?.. For us Pakistanis, Bangladesh is just another geopolitically irrelevant Indian vassal state.

We share religion (and some common history/struggle) and that's the only reason many Pakistanis have a soft corner for Bengalis. If Bengalis seek apology, then they should acknowledge their own wrongdoings also. It was a civil war. Both sides committed excesses. Putting entire responsibility on one side and trying to paint the other as completely innocent/saints won't help.

PS: Hina Rabbani is not Pak FM, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is

You will find many Bangladeshis, including myself who will acknowledge the 3 million figure is nonsense and there were atrocities committed by Mukti Bahini against Non-Bengalis during 1971. There are Bangladeshis who even wrote books on these sensitive topics.

So I am not sure what you are talking about.

Average Bangladeshi don't even care about apology. This is just a political theatrics from the current ruling party to appease the liberals and Hindu Bangladeshis. Most People in Bangladesh couldn't bother less about an apology.

 

[VikingRaider]

Our Bangladeshi friends are still imprisoned by wartime partisan myths.

They firmly believe that millions of Bengalis were killed by Pak Forces and they vehemently deny/justify Bihari genocide committed by Bengali nationalists

Bro @M. Sarmad , people you see in PDF actually quite opposite to mainstream Bangladeshi people!

Many Pakistanis do believe that Bengalis were wronged, but you won't find a single Bengali acknowledging the heinous atrocities committed by Bengalis against non-Bengalis/pro-Pak Bengalis.

Thanks to these Pakistani brothers and sisters that they finally started to realize.

As for those Bangladeshi posters telling us that Pakistan is a nobody, well, then what are you doing on a Pakistani Forum?.. For us Pakistanis, Bangladesh is just another geopolitically irrelevant Indian vassal state.

But are you not proving yourself same kind of people like them?

There are other Bangladeshi posters , shouldn't you draw conclusion based on their comments?

Why don't you draw conclusion based on posts ( regarding Pakistan)of @leonblack08 bhai , @Bilal9 bhai and other sane posters from Bangladesh?

We share religion (and some common history/struggle) and that's the only reason many Pakistanis have a soft corner for Bengalis.

Same here in Bangladesh! Most of Bangladeshis do have the same soft corner for Pakistanis because of same reason, and that's we follow the same religion!

If Bengalis seek apology, then they should acknowledge their own wrongdoings also. It was a civil war. Both sides committed excesses. Putting entire responsibility on one side and trying to paint the other as completely innocent/saints won't help.

Did you read my reference brother where I said ( several times, and again in post #64 ) , and posted with news paper screenshot that, already zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and sheikh Mujib mutually solved the matter , hence no one from Bangladesh has the right to demand further apologies from Pakistan!

Why you guys are disturbed by these folks who (most of them ) even don't come to visit Bangladesh ( often) , hence don't know the ground reality of Bangladesh?

You see that many of them have clear agenda. They defend the trade deficit between India and Bangladesh , but even don't want to speak when it comes to other countries ( specially Pakistan) !

Anyone should understand that who are they , and who's purpose they are serving!

So better don't pay attention to them ,and also please don't become like them.

Thanks and regards!

 

[EternalMortal]

Why do Bengalis keep asking for an apology? What is the point of this? Just for local votes? To humiliate Pakistanis for fun?

Both Bhutto (one of the main culprits of 71) & Musharraf gave an apology for what we did. Bhutto & Mujib also settled the issue. We haven't even asked you to give us an apology for what you did. What more do you want? To admit to a nonexistent genocide? To accept 100% of the blame for the events of 1971? Grow up!

It's time for Bengalis to move on. You already got your apology. Twice. If you're still desperate for closure than have the courage to ask for a joint commission to settle the matter.

 

[UKBengali]

Whether Pakistan apologises now is not important to either party. BD does not need Pakistan now or ever in the future and Pakistan does not need BD yet.

However when BD has living standards multiple times that of the size of Pakistan in as little as 10-15 years, then Pakistan will be forced to issue a formal and unconditional apology for the events of 1971.

This is not really even about BAL and them playing politics but more about Pakistan facing up to its past and making amends with an apology, as no BD government will be able to resume normal and friendly relations without this apology.

BD's economic superiority in the decades to come will make the apology come, if only due to economic duress on the part of Pakistan.

 

[Menace2Society]

Whether Pakistan apologises now is not important to either party. BD does not need Pakistan now or ever in the future and Pakistan does not need BD yet.

However when BD has living standards multiple times that of the size of Pakistan in as little as 10-15 years, then Pakistan will be forced to issue a formal and unconditional apology for the events of 1971.

This is not really even about BAL and them playing politics but more about Pakistan facing up to its past and making amends with an apology, as no BD government will be able to resume normal and friendly relations without this apology.

BD's economic superiority in the decades to come will make the apology come, if only due to economic duress on the part of Pakistan.

 

[UKBengali]

Wrong. Both BD and Pakistan have much to gain from uniting in the face of a increasingly emboldened regional bully that is India. You are already their bitch and from the way things are going, we just might be as well.

India is not bullying BD.

In fact it is the golden goose that will propel BD out of middle-income status.

Pakistan's issues with India are not comparable to relations that BD has with India.

You give India too much credit as they are not competent enough to control a country as populous or as economically dynamic as BD. In fact the whole of W Bengal, NE States, Nepal and Bhutan will become extensions of the BD economy in the 2030s.

I think the Bangaldeshi government needs to get beyond seeking an apology.

What will that practically do?

I'd rather move on from that to address a BJP led India with better relations with Pakistan.

Or we can continue being India's b*tch.

@UKBengali

Brother, you are overly optimistic in regards to Bangladesh.

The country is led by muppets.

I would listen to IMF, ADB, UK CEBR etc.

They all forecast what I am saying up to the late 2030s.

You may not like them due to their pathetic defence policy but they are very competent economically.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Whether Pakistan apologises now is not important to either party. BD does not need Pakistan now or ever in the future and Pakistan does not need BD yet.

However when BD has living standards multiple times that of the size of Pakistan in as little as 10-15 years, then Pakistan will be forced to issue a formal and unconditional apology for the events of 1971.

This is not really even about BAL and them playing politics but more about Pakistan facing up to its past and making amends with an apology, as no BD government will be able to resume normal and friendly relations without this apology.

BD's economic superiority in the decades to come will make the apology come, if only due to economic duress on the part of Pakistan.

You need an apology to coverup a pack of lies your own research fellows have disputed calling banga bondhu numbers grossly exaggerated..the exaggeration was purposefully done.
Dude your banga bondhu was meeting indians discussing scessionism as early as 1962..
In the same year ayub khan suggested a confederation but it was refused by ramiz u rehman and bengali elite.

Your elite put house on fire for their greed to rule the whole Pakistan based on the power of one ethnic group in east and make bangla a state language a right not reserved for pakhtun balochi or sindhi.


When the same elites saw the plan not coming along they decided to separate..even then it could have been done in a peaceful manner but since bangla had to survive in future with india an indian /kgb plan was pursued that would make sure a seed of hate is planted in the textbooks of Bangladesh that keeps the fire ignited .

It's a sad story with a worst form of outcome.. its a fight with your own made up history

 

[UKBengali]

You need an apology to coverup a pack of lies your own research fellows have disputed calling banga bondhu numbers grossly exaggerated..the exaggeration was purposefully done.
Dude your banga bondhu was meeting indians discussing scessionism as early as 1962..
In the same year ayub khan suggested a confederation but it was refused by ramiz u rehman and bengali elite.

Your elite put house on fire for their greed to rule the whole Pakistan based on the power of one ethnic group in east and make bangla a state language a right not reserved for pakhtun balochi or sindhi.


When the same elites saw the plan not coming along they decided to separate..even then it could have been done in a peaceful manner but since bangla had to survive in future with india an indian /kgb plan was pursued that would make sure a seed of hate is planted in the textbooks of Bangladesh that keeps the fire ignited .

It's a sad story with a worst form of outcome.. its a fight with your own made up history

Pakistan was an economic deadweight and needed to be ejected.

History has proved BD right.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Pakistan was an economic deadweight and needed to be ejected.

History has proved BD right.

It doesn't answer what I raised..

The socalled " dead weight " could have been ejected in a very progressive way.
A confederation later leading to a complete separation. But what held your elite back was greed. Of ruling a much bigger country.
I am not saying pakistani politicians weren't greedy..zulfiqar ali bhutto made his army surrender for his greed to completely rule the west wing and hit the last nail in coffin.

 

[MM_Haider]

The Bengali genocide: Setting the record straight

The claims of three million dead in Bengali genocide are repeated by South Asia’s academia. However, the number of killings is disputed.

www.globalvillagespace.com

On another occasion, a Bengali nationalist who participated in the separatist cause has written in his book Behind the Myth of Three Million that in order to be a true “Bengali patriot” the people back then were required to accept the whole truth without any questions. He even called the claims that the Pakistan Army killed three million people “fiction.”

why should Pakistan apologise for something that NEVER happened?

Pakistan was an economic deadweight and needed to be ejected.

History has proved BD right.

dude enough with chest thumping ... you just needed IMF

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Pakistan should take the Biharis in Bangaldesh as its citizens.

We have even 2 billion Bangladeshis and 1 million rohingyas.
You might aswell take a few to your house, sala e Bengal.