Pakistani cities' history before islam

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Karachi was part of sindh!! Karachi is part of sindh and karachi will be part of sindh!

It was part of baluch states/kingdoms... anyhow who cares Karachi=sindh=Pakistan!

 

[INDIC]

It was part of baluch states/kingdoms... anyhow who cares Karachi=sindh=Pakistan!

Some part of Makran coast was ruled by dynasties from Sindh.

 

[Spring Onion]

Lahore has been known by many names in its ancient history | Lava, Labokla are two of the old names

Karachi was known as | Debal

Peshawar was known as | Pushkalwati

Pushkalawati means City of Flowers

 

[Ayush]

informative thread..

 

[K-Xeroid]

Karachi never existed before Islam , Its Debal that Existed before , The port of Debal Near Mansura(now known as Thatta) .

Their are some folks that few villages were existed in western coasts of Karachi which were Infact the part of Makran coast(Balochistan).

 

[FCPX]

I recall reading about Swat's history where an Italian archaeological team discovered a cemetery dating some where between 500 BC to 1500 BC. They speculated that the Swat valley was heavily populated around that time.

 

[W.11]

It was part of baluch states/kingdoms... anyhow who cares Karachi=sindh=Pakistan!

karachi didnt even exist few decades ago, the lyari area was baloch area, but baloch have been in sindh for a long time, doesnt make sindh a baloch area, same thing with lyari area which was never a baloch area, but it contained baloch settlers coming from makran

Historically Lyari is known as the mother of Karachi. It has provided base for the prosperous growth and development of the present Mega metropolis. Lyari derives its name from the river which used to flow into the Arabian Sea. Its riverbed extended from Lalukhet (present Liaquat Abad) to the Port Trust yard.

There were two larger watercourses for the rainwater to pass from the mountains to the sea. Between the two courses there existed twenty to twenty five fisher folk’s huts.. The spot was then called Dirbo. The new place later became known as “Kalachi-jo-Goth” “the village of Kalachi”, the fisherwoman. Thus the first settlement of common people bearing the name of Lyari came into being in a fast developing city which later on was internationally known as Karachi becoming first capital of Pakistan. In the course of time as shipping and trade developed rapidly, the existing port facilities became inadequate.

It became necessary to reclaim the site on the Lyari Bed for housing purposes. On the other side of the Lyari River, “Khadda” had already been built to accommodate fisherman, who were removed from “Machi Meanee” in 1870. By then because of growing need for labour force in the port of Karachi had attracted a large number of immigrants, of which the Baluch’s were in majority. They came from Makran/Balochistan and resided in the present location of Lyari, with the increasing economic activities in the city, immigrants from all over other cities of the country started to settle in Lyari Quarters soon people from all ethnic groups formed a “Mini-Pakistan” and Lyari Town is now an area which represents different culture and creed living amicably becoming a remarkable unified community.


History of Lyari | Lyari Express

 

[Shabaz Sharif]

Another Pakistani city.

Gujrat was founded by Raja Bachhan Pal Gurjar in 460 BC, according to General Cunningham, the British historian. Historical consensus is that it existed in the time of Alexander the Great, and that the Mong's Raja Porus put up a fierce challenge to Alexander's invasion at the bank of the Jehlum River.

Gujrat city - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hello there,

I am trying to figure out any specific sites/places to learn about the history taught in Pakistan before that is just before "Islamization" of Pakistan. For example, what were the names of Peshawar, Karachi and Lahore before they were named that? What exactly happened there? What happened to the indigenous population there?

The place I am right now is this: Pakistan's western areas were more "inter cultural" than any other place in Indian subcontinent with Persian, Arab, Indian, Mongol people mingling. I am trying to figure the research behind how these different fabrics came together and then homogenized into Islamic culture.

I think it would make a fascinating read on how all these different ethnic people once lived together and if the place still has the diverse ethnicity.

Thanks,

Only few names has been changed otherwise all are historical names. For exemple Faisalabad has been changed from Lyallpur which i believe should be changed back to original.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Hello there,

I am trying to figure out any specific sites/places to learn about the history taught in Pakistan before that is just before "Islamization" of Pakistan. For example, what were the names of Peshawar, Karachi and Lahore before they were named that? What exactly happened there? What happened to the indigenous population there?

The place I am right now is this: Pakistan's western areas were more "inter cultural" than any other place in Indian subcontinent with Persian, Arab, Indian, Mongol people mingling. I am trying to figure the research behind how these different fabrics came together and then homogenized into Islamic culture.

I think it would make a fascinating read on how all these different ethnic people once lived together and if the place still has the diverse ethnicity.

Thanks,

Hmm in Pakistan there was no islamization. The names r kept as it is in most of the cities.

But it will be interesting if u ask the same question abt Israel to Israelis.

The point is Pakistan is not Israel.

 

[INDIC]

Pushkalawati means City of Flowers

Flower is called Pushpa in Sanskrit, Pushkala means strong.

 

[Azizam]

Flower is called Pushpa in Sanskrit, Pushkala means strong.

Was Sanskrit spoken in Pakistan?

 

[Sliver]

I am going to give a short "timeline" for each city. They may be slightly off target but bear with me while I work on the research.

Starting with Peshawar:

origins: (not sure/unknown/debatable -> but in records)
It has been argued that an ancient city named Pushkalwati, founded by Bharata's son Pushkal, from the Indian epic Ramayana, may have existed in this general area during early Indo-Iranian times before their invasion past the Indus into South

Known Origins:
The region containing the present city of Peshawar was associated with Gandhara kingdom (prior to 500 BC) as Purushapura was annexed by Achaemenid Empire (around 500 BC - 400 BC). It was annexed later for a brief period by Alexander the great before being ceded to Chandragupta Mourya (300 BC to 200 BC).

It then went to Greco-Bactrian Kingdoms (170-150BC).
To Gondopharid dynasty (central asians) (until the firct centruy AD)

before falling back to Kushans (Kujula Kadphises, grand father of kanishka I) during the furst century AD. Kanishka built the largest Buddhist Stupa there which was recorded to be in existence during 634 AD

Turkic Muslims invaded the area by 988 AD
Babur (Mughals) established Begram (are close to Peshawar in 1530)
Akbar (Mughal) formally named the place Peshawar

Went to Persian control under Nadir shah in 18th century (early 1700's) and joined Ahmad Shah Durrani' Pakthun regions in 1747.

1758 it came under Marathas,
he city remained under Maratha control till year 1759 in which Abdali forces reconquered the fort.

The final leg before Pakistan's independence, The Sikhs invaded and conquered Peshawar in 1834 after wresting it from Afghanistan. The city was under Sikh control following the death of Ranjit Singh, before which Hari Singh Nalwa completely controlled the area. The British influenced and then ultimately ruled the region from 1849 to 1947, when it became part of the new nation of Pakistan.


If we, for time being, assume Gandhara to be an indigenous Indo-Iranian culture separate from the Vedic culture (The name Gāndhāra is not recorded in Vedic Sanskrit, it first occurs in the Classical Sanskrit of the epics.(from wikipedia on gandhara).

The area was repeatedly captured by greeks, persians, mongols (mughals), turkic, central asian, Indian peoples.

That city must be loaded in historic layers one on top of the other. I request forum members from that city to kindly share any pictures that they may have depicting each of these layers.

Hmm in Pakistan there was no islamization. The names r kept as it is in most of the cities.

But it will be interesting if u ask the same question abt Israel to Israelis.

The point is Pakistan is not Israel.

some of pakistan's cities that I know of - Islamabad, Faisalabad, Jalalabad, Abbotabad are "islamic" names. Surely with the immense amount of history in the region, these cities (if they existed before) would have other names before islam (and other names during each "occupation") I am trying to get a rough time line of different cities in the region to arrive at how all these "paths" coincided to get a collective Pakistan. The idea is the develop the "identity" of the region based on historical facts. It is not only the place where you are that is important. It is also how you arrived there.

 

[INDIC]

Was Sanskrit spoken in Pakistan?

Yes,Punjabi and Sindhi are Indo-Aryan languages.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

I am going to give a short "timeline" for each city. They may be slightly off target but bear with me while I work on the research.

Starting with Peshawar:

origins: (not sure/unknown/debatable -> but in records)
It has been argued that an ancient city named Pushkalwati, founded by Bharata's son Pushkal, from the Indian epic Ramayana, may have existed in this general area during early Indo-Iranian times before their invasion past the Indus into South

Known Origins:
The region containing the present city of Peshawar was associated with Gandhara kingdom (prior to 500 BC) as Purushapura was annexed by Achaemenid Empire (around 500 BC - 400 BC). It was annexed later for a brief period by Alexander the great before being ceded to Chandragupta Mourya (300 BC to 200 BC).

It then went to Greco-Bactrian Kingdoms (170-150BC).
To Gondopharid dynasty (central asians) (until the firct centruy AD)

before falling back to Kushans (Kujula Kadphises, grand father of kanishka I) during the furst century AD. Kanishka built the largest Buddhist Stupa there which was recorded to be in existence during 634 AD

Turkic Muslims invaded the area by 988 AD
Babur (Mughals) established Begram (are close to Peshawar in 1530)
Akbar (Mughal) formally named the place Peshawar

Went to Persian control under Nadir shah in 18th century (early 1700's) and joined Ahmad Shah Durrani' Pakthun regions in 1747.

1758 it came under Marathas,
he city remained under Maratha control till year 1759 in which Abdali forces reconquered the fort.

The final leg before Pakistan's independence, The Sikhs invaded and conquered Peshawar in 1834 after wresting it from Afghanistan. The city was under Sikh control following the death of Ranjit Singh, before which Hari Singh Nalwa completely controlled the area. The British influenced and then ultimately ruled the region from 1849 to 1947, when it became part of the new nation of Pakistan.


If we, for time being, assume Gandhara to be an indigenous Indo-Iranian culture separate from the Vedic culture (The name Gāndhāra is not recorded in Vedic Sanskrit, it first occurs in the Classical Sanskrit of the epics.(from wikipedia on gandhara).

The area was repeatedly captured by greeks, persians, mongols (mughals), turkic, central asian, Indian peoples.

That city must be loaded in historic layers one on top of the other. I request forum members from that city to kindly share any pictures that they may have depicting each of these layers.



some of pakistan's cities that I know of - Islamabad, Faisalabad, Jalalabad, Abbotabad are "islamic" names. Surely with the immense amount of history in the region, these cities (if they existed before) would have other names before islam (and other names during each "occupation") I am trying to get a rough time line of different cities in the region to arrive at how all these "paths" coincided to get a collective Pakistan. The idea is the develop the "identity" of the region based on historical facts. It is not only the place where you are that is important. It is also how you arrived there.

This is what happens when u try to analyse others in yr own grounds.
There r cities in our region who came into being because of King's orders like Gujranwala.

Anyways in Pakistan we have a Desire of remaining the cities,places and other stuff or related towards Islam as Pakistan was the country born for Muslims only and represents Muslims much like Israel. Do u know the original name of Jerusalem, Tel Aviv etc?

Sure u dont know nor u wanna know but u r more interested in Pakistan!

Atleast in Pakistan we didnt renamed something after Independence. The names like Faisalabad,Jalalabad r centuries old and we r Happy with them. Even India also has Ghaziabad, Ahmedabad,Allahbad etc etc names in their country.

Islamabad is First First man made Capital. It became operational in 71 so its name has to be an Arabic/farsi name which it is.

My friend if u want to develop an identity then its better to make on the facts accepted by people in this country which is really important.

If u want to go into historic fact debate then there is no limit to it we can even go as back as prehistoric times.

The point is in this Digital age not a lot of people care of what happened in 1000 years ago etc. People now a days more like live in today and think of a better tomorrow then remaining or remembering past.

Was Sanskrit spoken in Pakistan?

Sanskrit actually originated from Pakistan.

 

[KingMamba]

Was Sanskrit spoken in Pakistan?

Not just spoken, it originated in Sindh afaik.