Pakistani Ballistic Missiles: Indigenous Content & Development

[shaheenmissile]

So that is proof enough that Pakistan has MARV.
Maneuverable reentry vehicle

Now check these older pics of Shaheen 1 and II.
You can clearly see the thrusters as Black circles.

Shaheen zero with Delta fins showing Black circular thrusters on RV

Shaheen 1A with Cropped Delta fins, showing Black circles on RV

 

[The Deterrent]

@Bratva @shaheenmissile @HRK

I believe you guys are jumping the gun, the Shaheen series has a correction system for adjusting the course, but side-mounted thrusters have little to do with it. In my opinion these are retro-thrusters, used for separating the warhead from the ReV after course is corrected above atmosphere.

Both Shaheen-I & II neither follow a depressed trajectory, nor they have maneuverable ReVs.

 

[alimobin memon]

@Bratva @shaheenmissile @HRK

I believe you guys are jumping the gun, the Shaheen series has a correction system for adjusting the course, but side-mounted thrusters have little to do with it. In my opinion these are retro-thrusters, used for separating the warhead from the ReV after course is corrected above atmosphere.

Both Shaheen-I & II neither follow a depressed trajectory, nor they have maneuverable ReVs.

Can These Long range ballistic missile change their trajectory or course as Nasr ? Is Ballistic missile classification able to carry such feature ?

 

[HRK]

@Bratva @shaheenmissile @HRK

I believe you guys are jumping the gun, the Shaheen series has a correction system for adjusting the course, but side-mounted thrusters have little to do with it. In my opinion these are retro-thrusters, used for separating the warhead from the ReV after course is corrected above atmosphere.

Both Shaheen-I & II neither follow a depressed trajectory, nor they have maneuverable ReVs.

just a little clarification from my side as well I was not suggesting that Pakistan has acquired MaRV capability

thnx for your educative post .....

 

[The Deterrent]

Can These Long range ballistic missile change their trajectory or course as Nasr ? Is Ballistic missile classification able to carry such feature ?

Nope, they can only correct their original trajectory, not change it on the run. Same is the case for Nasr.
However, advanced BMs such as DF-21 / HGVs (MaRV-equipped) can change their courses depending on location of the target or for deception.

 

[Windjammer]

 

[shaheenmissile]

Thats ghauri launch...Goes striaight up.

This is Sjhaheen - 3 launch and after 40 seconds its al,ost Parallel to earth. How do you explain this @The Deterrent Deterrent?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

View attachment 207083Thats ghauri launch...Goes striaight up.

This is Sjhaheen - 3 launch and after 40 seconds its al,ost Parallel to earth. How do you explain this @The Deterrent Deterrent?

A little odd question there..... Does Ghauri keep on going straight up? At what point in the time line was its picture taken?
While the Shaheen launches straight up vertically also, it then goes into a parabolic trajectory as BMs do; and as the Ghauri also does. So where is your question coming from?

 

[shaheenmissile]

When an RV has the ability to change direction,it is called MARV. Simple.
Course correction after stage septation does Involve RV changing direction,hence MARV.

All Shaheen series change path into a much flatter trajectory soon after launch. Any missile which follows non ballistic path is following depressed or shaped trajectory

A little odd question there..... Does Ghauri keep on going straight up? At what point in the time line was its picture taken?
While the Shaheen launches straight up vertically also, it then goes into a parabolic trajectory as BMs do; and as the Ghauri also does. So where is your question coming from?

wath this ghauri vid and compare with shaheen vid.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

When an RV has the ability to change direction,it is called MARV. Simple.
Course correction after stage septation does Involve RV changing direction,hence MARV.

All Shaheen series change path into a much flatter trajectory soon after launch. Any missile which follows non ballistic path is following depressed or shaped trajectory


wath this ghauri vid and compare with shaheen vid.

Do remember that what you are seeing is CONTROLLED by the Camera position relative to the aspect and orientation of the parabolic trajectory as it develops after the launch. So, if the camera position is different for both the missile launches or even for two launches of the same missile, then the trajectory will SEEM different to the viewer, so don't get taken in by that.
As for MARV/Depressed trajectory etc, @The Deterrent has already explained what Nasr, Ghauri and Shaheen can or cannot do. I'm afraid that he is correct.

 

[shaheenmissile]

Do remember that what you are seeing is CONTROLLED by the Camera position relative to the aspect and orientation of the parabolic trajectory as it develops after the launch. So, if the camera position is different for both the missile launches or even for two launches of the same missile, then the trajectory will SEEM different to the viewer, so don't get taken in by that.
As for MARV/Depressed trajectory etc, @The Deterrent has already explained what Nasr, Ghauri and Shaheen can or cannot do. I'm afraid that he is correct.

i doubt that with india developing ABM,
Pakistan is still deploying highly predictable pure ballistic missiles with no means of dodging ABM

 

[Capt.Popeye]

i doubt that with india developing ABM,
Pakistan is still deploying highly predictable pure ballistic missiles with no means of dodging ABM

We can have our beliefs, doubts .... whatever. But the facts remain unchangeable as they are. So lend some credence to what @The Deterrent is saying. He does'nt say anything lightly.

 

[shaheenmissile]

@Bratva @shaheenmissile @HRK

I believe you guys are jumping the gun, the Shaheen series has a correction system for adjusting the course, but side-mounted thrusters have little to do with it. In my opinion these are retro-thrusters, used for separating the warhead from the ReV after course is corrected above atmosphere.

Both Shaheen-I & II neither follow a depressed trajectory, nor they have maneuverable ReVs.

You don't need thrusters for warhead separation. Earlier Missiles had no thrusters on RV but Warhead did separate.

 

[Bratva]

You don't need thrusters for warhead separation. Earlier Missiles had no thrusters on RV but Warhead did separate.

How do you think Post-Separation Altitude Correction system works? thrusters are for PSAC not for MARV

 

[shaheenmissile]

How do you think Post-Separation Altitude Correction system works? thrusters are for PSAC not for MARV

No..the word MARV is used in a broader sense.
If the RV can change altitude in a non Ballistic way using own power not Kinetic energy given by Booster stages,it is MARV.
Now MARV can have other additional capabilities,or just that.