Featured Pakistan will proceed on Kashmir issue with or without Saudi Arabia : SM Qureshi

[achhu]

This is a Indian barking dog media channel.

There is no permanent friend and enemy, there are only interest that's why Nepal, Bangladesh, Iran and hopefully Afghanistan will align with China and Pakistan.

bangladesh , nepal , afghanistan ?

 

[PradoTLC]

no way , most if the countries are seeing india from last 70 years , we are secular democracy, we have made many Muslims president of india .no propaganda can deny it.


world does not see through pakistanis lense . Indian Muslims are happy with hindus , they decided to live with their hindu brothers.

Wow .. another RSS brain washed ... ignorant of the ground realities

 

[PakFactor]

we dont take lessons from brainwashed talibans .

Why would you, taking lessons from those who fling cow shit is more than enough.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Request to all Pakistani brothers, please ignore Indian trolls and report off topic troll posts. Thank you.

 

[Ivan]

OIC criticism
​

Editorial
Updated 08 Aug 2020

IT is rare for high officials in Pakistan to publicly criticise ‘friendly’ and ‘brotherly’ countries over foreign policy differences. However, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi’s recent blunt criticism of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation — in fact a thinly veiled critique of Saudi Arabia — has raised eyebrows.

Speaking to a TV channel recently, Mr Qureshi expressed his frustration with the multinational bloc of Muslim states, which is headquartered in and largely controlled by Saudi Arabia. He “respectfully” told the OIC to convene a Council of Foreign Ministers over the burning Kashmir issue, or else Pakistan would “call a meeting of the Islamic countries that are ready to stand with us on ... Kashmir”. The foreign minister added that Pakistan pulled out of December’s Kuala Lumpur Summit on a Saudi “request” but now it expected Riyadh to “show leadership on this issue”.

The fact that this reflects state policy and not just the foreign minister’s personal feelings was reiterated by the Foreign Office on Thursday. The FO spokesperson said Pakistan expected “forward movement” from the OIC on the Kashmir issue, though she also highlighted the “fraternal relations” between Islamabad and Riyadh.

It is a fact that no past government in this country has ever criticised the Saudis in this manner. The long-standing economic, political and military ties between the two countries go back decades, even though the relationship has been tilted in Riyadh’s favour. However, it appears that the Saudis’ lack of interest in resolving the Kashmir dispute has touched a raw nerve in ruling circles, and the government expects our Arab brothers to do more to help end the suffering of the India-held region.

This paper has long pointed out that the OIC has become an antiquated talk shop, which does little of substance to address the key issues of the Muslim world, though the state has always contested this view. Now it appears the ruling elite has come round to the fact that playing second fiddle to Riyadh won’t do; Pakistan must explain its priorities — “our own sensitivities” as Mr Qureshi quaintly put it— in a clear and frank fashion.

While this country has always spoken up for Palestine and Kashmir, many of our Arab friends have scrambled to improve or establish ties with India and Israel.

Perhaps the prime minister needs to explain in detail the road map that Pakistan now intends to follow. As it is, there are several geostrategic blocs in the Muslim world; the Gulf Arabs and Egypt are aligned with the US; Qatar and Turkey are charting their own course, while Iran, Syria and the Hezbollah in Lebanon form yet another axis.

Does Pakistan intend to ally with any of these formations, or does it aim to create a new bloc with like-minded states? Foreign policy goals must be clear and must ensure that Pakistan takes a moral stand, while not annoying our friends and benefactors.

 

[HAIDER]

this will not be very helpful for pakistan, saudis are demanding there 3 billion dollars back , they can stop oil supply which was given on deffered payments.

They sold 3 billion of gas on deferred payment plan. A business move, things are between the line.

 

[HAIDER]

OIC criticism
​

Editorial
Updated 08 Aug 2020

IT is rare for high officials in Pakistan to publicly criticise ‘friendly’ and ‘brotherly’ countries over foreign policy differences. However, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi’s recent blunt criticism of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation — in fact a thinly veiled critique of Saudi Arabia — has raised eyebrows.

Speaking to a TV channel recently, Mr Qureshi expressed his frustration with the multinational bloc of Muslim states, which is headquartered in and largely controlled by Saudi Arabia. He “respectfully” told the OIC to convene a Council of Foreign Ministers over the burning Kashmir issue, or else Pakistan would “call a meeting of the Islamic countries that are ready to stand with us on ... Kashmir”. The foreign minister added that Pakistan pulled out of December’s Kuala Lumpur Summit on a Saudi “request” but now it expected Riyadh to “show leadership on this issue”.

The fact that this reflects state policy and not just the foreign minister’s personal feelings was reiterated by the Foreign Office on Thursday. The FO spokesperson said Pakistan expected “forward movement” from the OIC on the Kashmir issue, though she also highlighted the “fraternal relations” between Islamabad and Riyadh.

It is a fact that no past government in this country has ever criticised the Saudis in this manner. The long-standing economic, political and military ties between the two countries go back decades, even though the relationship has been tilted in Riyadh’s favour. However, it appears that the Saudis’ lack of interest in resolving the Kashmir dispute has touched a raw nerve in ruling circles, and the government expects our Arab brothers to do more to help end the suffering of the India-held region.

This paper has long pointed out that the OIC has become an antiquated talk shop, which does little of substance to address the key issues of the Muslim world, though the state has always contested this view. Now it appears the ruling elite has come round to the fact that playing second fiddle to Riyadh won’t do; Pakistan must explain its priorities — “our own sensitivities” as Mr Qureshi quaintly put it— in a clear and frank fashion.

While this country has always spoken up for Palestine and Kashmir, many of our Arab friends have scrambled to improve or establish ties with India and Israel.

Perhaps the prime minister needs to explain in detail the road map that Pakistan now intends to follow. As it is, there are several geostrategic blocs in the Muslim world; the Gulf Arabs and Egypt are aligned with the US; Qatar and Turkey are charting their own course, while Iran, Syria and the Hezbollah in Lebanon form yet another axis.

Does Pakistan intend to ally with any of these formations, or does it aim to create a new bloc with like-minded states? Foreign policy goals must be clear and must ensure that Pakistan takes a moral stand, while not annoying our friends and benefactors.

Seems Pakistan FM been shuttling between Gulf states for support on Kashmir cause and now this statement reflects his extreme frustration. His statement reflect Pakistan did alot for these Arabs in past, now they back off from there commitment. Recently Pakistan build KSA missile program......

 

[Clutch]

this will not be very helpful for pakistan, saudis are demanding there 3 billion dollars back , they can stop oil supply which was given on deffered payments.

What happens if they now align themselves more with India at the expense of Pakistan it's security and the Kashmir issue?.... Should we be forever slaves and indebted chamchays?

 

[Clutch]

we dont take lessons from talibans .

Right..
You instead manufacture ISIS and TTP...

 

[achhu]

What happens if they now align themselves more with India at the expense of Pakistan it's security and the Kashmir issue?.... Should we be forever slaves and indebted chamchays?

pakistan should concentrate on building its economy with help of friends who were friends in need .

 

[BRAVO_]

this will not be very helpful for pakistan, saudis are demanding there 3 billion dollars back , they can stop oil supply which was given on deffered payments.

pakistan has already paid 1 billion $ remaining would be return upon the basis of future developments...

 

[Mav3rick]

Not if MBS gets his way and coverts Saudi to the liberal pro-Zionist (officially aligned with Israel) nation he wishes to...

Pakistani will then only die for Mecca and Medina... Not the Saudi nation... To date, Pakistanis have associated Saudi Arabia and the Monarchy with those holy cities....

Not sure if they will if Saudi Arabia becomes another drunken bikini giant Dubai.

You, and many others here, have apparently not witnessed the fanaticism of the extremists. It is mostly because of the pro-Saudi teachings that have been used to brainwash tens of millions of seminary students over the decades......seminaries, which are heavily funded by Saudi Arabia.

 

[Mav3rick]

@PakFactor [just including you as you asked for]
Why should Pakistanis die for a monarchy which displays filthy and shallow way to express it's public life?! Why? I am not being ungrateful for the help the Saudis have time and again extended to Pakistan. I strongly believe they did that NOT because Pakistan can protect them but because the Saudis really see Pakistan as an honest brother friend. But that friendship has its limits too, from both sides and that has reflected in the public policies of both countries. Let me try to explain that.

You are asking me why Pakistanis would die to protect the filthy Monarchy in Saudi Arabia and I have already given my answer above, it is because of indoctrination of tens of millions of seminary students educated in Saudi funded seminaries over the decades. They are brainwashed fanatics who will not listen to reason and will rush to Saudi aid whenever called upon. And yes, Saudi Arabia has 'helped' Pakistan, but that help has largely been meaningless, especially in the past 20 years. Saudi Arabia could have helped Pakistan climb out of the debt trap and move into a development state but Saudi help always ensures we are NOT able to climb out of the pit and is sufficient merely to allow us to plant our feet firmly on some ledge in the debt trap.

And it is absolutely not because the Saudis see us as honest brother. Ask any Pakistani who has lived in Saudi Arabia what the Saudis think of us, they rate Indians above and over Pakistanis any day. Talk about the mirage of Muslim love and brotherhood!

Pakistan had remained more or less neutral on numerous occasions--the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, to the first Gulf War, to the second Gulf War, the Syrian war, the Yemen war... All these wars had serious security implications for Saudi Arabia. Why did Pakistan do that? Because, for one thing, while the Saudis have been helpful to Pakistan, the Saudis could have done a LOT more; the Saudi royal family probably spends more on luxury lifestyle every year than the entire Pakistani yearly defense budget!! And maybe the reasons Saudis don't do more for Pakistan is because the Saudis know that Pakistan, beyond a token division or two of armed forces, simply cannot afford to 'protect' Saudi Arabia when Pakistan is facing a two-front war since 2001; and that war would become a THREE front war had Pakistan committed more to Saudi Arabia. This forum has a lot of defense experts. Ask them to 'game' a scenario where the United States makes some deals with one of the regional players to oust the House of Saud! See what Pakistan can do. And please don't bring up the Pakistani nukes--they will be decimated as soon as they are detected in a hostile posture toward American interests!

Any idea how many Pakistani Military personnel were actively protecting the Saudi Monarchy and overlooking defense of Saudi Arabia during all those wars? And in any war which would have threatened Saudi borders, Pakistani Military would have assisted. The country only very recently decided NOT to assist Saudi Arabia in their own war inflicted upon Yemen because of obvious reasons. However, an Ex Pakistani Army Chief still serves the Saudi Government, what else do you need as proof? If need be, Pakistan can train, arm and station a million strong Army in Saudi Arabia if only Saudi Arabia was willing to pay for it. Saudi Arabia merely needs manpower and who better then the die-hard Pakistanis willing to die for the Holy land?

I have my own opinion on the outcome of US interests in removing the Monarchy and Pakistani interests in saving the Monarchy...........in such a scenario, the only possible way for the US to eliminate the Monarchy would be to use force directly, Air Force I mean, because their ground forces too would not be able to do jack ****.



[QUOTE="Meengla, post: 12612334, member: 18017"][USER=197229]To re-affirm, there are not doubt brotherly ties between the two countries and a deep trust. But they are, in fact, TWO different countries and are, in fact, even less of 'natural' allies than America-Canada are, because of geographical and Pakistan's own security compulsions. Pakistani and Saudi planners have always known about the limits of the relations and about potential quid pro quo.

Pakistan should appreciate and help the Saudis who have helped Pakistan time and again, although they could have done a LOT MORE for Pakistan. Often the Saudis did it because of faith in Pakistan. In return, Pakistan cannot offer the Saudis what the Saudis might need for the Saudi security. Pakistan itself is just coming out of a decade+ horrible period of terrorism and still faces a 2-front war.

I am not one of those who raise the shallow slogans of 'Pakistan First'. Pakistan had always been first and Pakistan had to be first. Pakistan is not a country in the middle of nowhere. Since 1947, there had always been a specter of two front wars and except for between 1996-2001, when the Talibans ruled Afghanistan, Pakistan has been facing the threat of two front war since 1979. Lowering the guard or strategic over-reach is suicidal for Pakistan![/QUOTE]

And I will repeat, any brotherly love that we had was lost when Saudi Arabia lost Shah Faisal. Today, Saudi Arabia under MBS is more keen to develop ties with Muslim killer Modi and to award him highest civilian awards.

And my friend, there was a time when Saudi Arabia was very poor, very very poor. Please read up on what Muslims of India, before partition, used to do for Saudi Arabians and then let me know if that all should be forgotten by the likes of MBS.[/user]

 

[Clutch]

pakistan should concentrate on building its economy with help of friends who were friends in need .

Economies aren't build through slavery... You become a power through strength...

 

[Clutch]

You, and many others here, have apparently not witnessed the fanaticism of the extremists. It is mostly because of the pro-Saudi teachings that have been used to brainwash tens of millions of seminary students over the decades......seminaries, which are heavily funded by Saudi Arabia.

Yes ... Well aware of wahabbi fanaticism and also of Neoliberal Zionist Fanaticism...

There has to be a middle ground...