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Pakistan will not apologise to Bangladesh: Qureshi

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^^To be honest, I think both of you have a point Nafees.

I think that Assad is completely correct in his version of events (even though he's worded it strongly). He's saying that Biharis were massacred by Bengalis, and this is true. It's what the history shows. Now you disclaim this by saying the opposite was true..that Bengalis were massacred by Biharis, I think. There might be some truth in this also. But the point is that Bengalis massacred a lot of people, Biharis massacred a lot of people, and probably Pak Army also massacred a lot of people. So, why should one side apologize, and not the other? All of them were guilty of the same crimes.

I think Pak Army had to act. It was Pakistan's territory that was at stake.
 
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You guys are right. No official apology have been made. But this is a bit of Musharraf on his visit to Bangladesh (the article is also very interesting).

"My brothers and sisters in Pakistan share with their fellow brothers and sisters in Bangladesh profound grief over the parameters of the events of 1971. As a result of this tragedy a family having common religious and cultural heritage and united by a joint struggle for independence and a shared vision of the future, was torn apart. We feel sorry for this tragedy, and the pain it caused to both our peoples."

'Regrets' for 1971
 
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Why should anyone be satisfied with mere words?

There were war-crimes committed, and there should be a tribunal set up to punish all those who were involved in the massacres.

India, being the country which put an end to the killings, should be the neutral arbitrator in the proceedings.
 
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Why should anyone be satisfied with mere words?

There were war-crimes committed, and there should be a tribunal set up to punish all those who were involved in the massacres.

India, being the country which put an end to the killings, should be the neutral arbitrator in the proceedings.

Killings were committed by both sides, and a very personal account has been narrated by one of the Pakistani members to illustrate that those on Pakistan's side suffered as well.

A tribunal would have to judge both sides, and since India supported one of the sides that was committing the killings, and contributed to the destabilization and chaos, it cannot be a neutral arbiter, or any arbiter in the context of Bangla-Pakistan relations.

Also, given that India has a documented record of human rights violations, rapes, murders, and recently got condemned by the EU over the discovery of mass graves in IOK, it has no moral standing to be an arbiter in any cases of human rights violations.
 
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I think its time Bangladesh moved on. What ever happened in 1971 is history and should be accepted as it happened. Although a lot still has to be learned that some how remained burried. We need to understand that most of the attrocities attributed to Pakistan Army were in reality not committed by them. Evidence has started to emerge suggesting that army was accussed of a lot more than it actually did. I shall try to find some and post, if found.

One more thing that should be kept in mind is that whatever army did in Bangladesh was an attempt to stop the breakup of the country which though at times harsh was legal. I am not defending the army but mearly trying to present another aspect.

As far as an apology in concerned I am against it and whatever Mr. Musharaf has said is enough.

Again its time to move on and not to live in the past.
 
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Killings were committed by both sides, and a very personal account has been narrated by one of the Pakistani members to illustrate that those on Pakistan's side suffered as well.

A tribunal would have to judge both sides, and since India supported one of the sides that was committing the killings, and contributed to the destabilization and chaos, it cannot be a neutral arbiter, or any arbiter in the context of Bangla-Pakistan relations.

Also, given that India has a documented record of human rights violations, rapes, murders, and recently got condemned by the EU over the discovery of mass graves in IOK, it has no moral standing to be an arbiter in any cases of human rights violations.

India was always neutral to the conflict until the situation became unsustainable. At that point, India decided to enter the country and put an end to the hostilities. It was a completely neutral role. If Bangladesh got independence as a result - then so be it.
 
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Yes indeed India was neutral, Pakistan army did nothing, mukhti bahini was a social welfare club, bangladesh came into being. Matter solved.

See how simple it is to solve matters.
 
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Atrocities committed by both sides and we both were responsible for inviting enemy to our country but now we should leave past aside and develop a union. actually every now and then we see these Indian efforts to make Pakistan apologize but actually this is a good thing, they are reminding us that we should reunite else our nation would have forgotten that issue.

Pakistan still believes that Bangladesh is our brother and we should move together.
 
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India was always neutral to the conflict until the situation became unsustainable. At that point, India decided to enter the country and put an end to the hostilities. It was a completely neutral role. If Bangladesh got independence as a result - then so be it.

A classic joke of the current century india was neutral, only neutral ones were few bastards in uniform in islamabad. ... Sorry but there are not more polite words for them.

To put on records right after 65 india was in full work in East pakistan and in 65 China factor stoped indian in intervening with East Pakistan and one of my acquinetence who actually fought 71 told that there were certain feedback from chines govt well before fiasoc of 71 about involvement of indians. Whole book can be written about crooked roleof india.

and talking about attrocities i dint see any mentions of Pak Army , there had been multiple events where families of army officers were burnt and brutalized in inhuman ways may peopel here dont like to talk about it. but this remain fact that indians orchested this in such a way that attocities were first inflicted on pak army in a way that they retaliate.

and how can we forget Jamat-e-Islami and their 'pleasent role'. it was more of JI scoring and eliminating its political rivals then anything to do with pak army, and they still are a party in east pakistan(which many now refer as BanglaDesh). These Bnagalies never demanded applogy from them.

There are very differnet opnions about so called Bangladesh many of us still regards it part of pakistan and are very bitter about it and eeven in young genration there exsist a segment that want a revenge from "neutral india".

In my humble opnion it is"bloody neutral india" that owes oopplogies not Pakistan.
 
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India was always neutral to the conflict until the situation became unsustainable. At that point, India decided to enter the country and put an end to the hostilities. It was a completely neutral role. If Bangladesh got independence as a result - then so be it.

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If Pakistan plays this neutral role in Kashmir; is it fair enough?
 
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Why should anyone be satisfied with mere words?

There were war-crimes committed, and there should be a tribunal set up to punish all those who were involved in the massacres.

India, being the country which put an end to the killings, should be the neutral arbitrator in the proceedings.

I mean, this is just sheer idiocy, isn't it? India was neutral in the '71 war! India was the country that covertly provoked the war and then JOINED and participated in the war.

Pakistan has held its side accountable..The Hamadoor Report (which was commissioned by a Bengali actually), did not find the Pakistan Army completely innocent, but the casualty figures were much closer the truth. It's time Bangladesh held its side accountable.
 
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India was always neutral to the conflict until the situation became unsustainable. At that point, India decided to enter the country and put an end to the hostilities. It was a completely neutral role. If Bangladesh got independence as a result - then so be it.

India and neutral in 1971 ? Come on even your late PM Indira Gandhi wanted the army to go into Bangladesh as early as February 1971 and it was only when the Chief of Army put his foot down that she agreed to give him 6 months to prepare.

I am not saying India did the right or wrong thing or that the situation was not bad vis vis the refugees fleeing to India, but neutral it never was in 1971.

Regards
 
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I mean, this is just sheer idiocy, isn't it? India was neutral in the '71 war! India was the country that covertly provoked the war and then JOINED and participated in the war.

Pakistan has held its side accountable..The Hamadoor Report (which was commissioned by a Bengali actually), did not find the Pakistan Army completely innocent, but the casualty figures were much closer the truth. It's time Bangladesh held its side accountable.

Was the full report ever released or only the edited version ?

Regards
 
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Hamoodur Rehman

Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report

Magnitude of Atrocities

31. In the circumstances that prevailed in East Pakistan from the 1st of March to the 16th of December 1971, it was hardly possible to obtain an accurate estimate of the toll of death and destruction caused by the Awami League militants and later by the Pakistan Army. It must also be remembered that even after the military action of the 25th of march 1971, Indian infiltrators and members of the Mukti Bahini sponsored by the Awami League continued to indulge in killings, rape and arson during their raids on peaceful villages in East Pakistan, not only in order to cause panic and disruption and carry out their plans of subversion, but also to punish those East Pakistanis who were not willing to go along with them. In any estimate of the extent of atrocities alleged to have been committed on the East Pakistani people, the death and destruction caused by the Awami League militants throughout this period and the atrocities committed by them on their own brothers and sisters must, therefore, be always be kept in view.

32. According to the Bangladesh authorities, the Pakistan Army was responsible for killing three million Bengalis and raping 200,000 East Pakistani women. It does not need any elaborate argument to see that these figures are obviously highly exaggerated. So much damage could not have been caused by the entire strength of the Pakistan Army then stationed in East Pakistan even if it had nothing else to do. In fact, however, the army was constantly engaged in fighting the Mukti Bahini, the Indian infiltrators, and later the Indian army. It has also the task of running the civil administration, maintaining communications and feeding 70 million people of East Pakistan. It is, therefore, clear that the figures mentioned by the Dacca authorities are altogether fantastic and fanciful.

33. Different figures were mentioned by different persons in authority but the latest statement supplied to us by the GHQ shows approximately 26,000 persons killed during the action by the Pakistan Army. This figure is based on situation reports submitted from time to time by the Eastern Command to the General Headquarters. It is possible that even these figures may contain an element of exaggeration as the lower formations may have magnified their own achievements in quelling the rebellion. However, in the absence of any other reliable date, the Commission is of the view that the latest figure supplied by the GHQ should be accepted. An important consideration which has influenced us in accepting this figure as reasonably correct is the fact that the reports were sent from East Pakistan to GHQ at a time when the Army Officers in East Pakistan could have had no notion whatsoever of any accountability in this behalf.

34. The falsity of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's repeated allegation that Pakistani troops had raped 200,000 Bengali girls in 1971 was borne out when the abortion team he had commissioned from Britain in early 1972 found that its workload involved the termination of only a hundred or more pregnancies.
 
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Hamoodur Rehman

Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report

34. The falsity of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman's repeated allegation that Pakistani troops had raped 200,000 Bengali girls in 1971 was borne out when the abortion team he had commissioned from Britain in early 1972 found that its workload involved the termination of only a hundred or more pregnancies.

That's a good one..I'll have to note that one down. Those hundred abortions could easily have been Bengalis raping Biharis or even Bengalis raping Bengalis. Could even be the baseline level of abortion in Bangladesh.

Looks like Sarmilla Bose could have been right after all, that not one case of rape by Pakistan Army had been found.
 
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