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from: Pakistan and America: In a sulk | The Economist

Pakistan and America
In a sulk
Relations grow yet worse between Pakistan and the superpower
Jul 14th 2011 | ISLAMABAD | from the print edition

EVEN at the best of times it would have seemed unusual for America’s embassy in Islamabad to organise its recent gathering for “gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender” people. Given the grim state of bilateral relations, the meeting looked downright provocative. Some in Pakistan’s religiously conservative society promptly accused America of conspiring to attack them by spreading outrageously liberal sexual views. One Islamic political party called it “cultural terrorism”.

Though the United States remains, by far, Pakistan’s biggest financial benefactor, it is reviled among Pakistanis, many of whom genuinely believe that Americans are set on their country’s destruction. What little trust existed before the killing in May, by American special forces, of Osama bin Laden, is disappearing fast. The Americans gave Pakistan no warning; Pakistanis, especially the armed forces, felt humiliated. On July 12th Pakistan’s spy chief went to Washington, DC, for the first time since Bin Laden’s death.

There is plenty to discuss. At the weekend America said it would suspend $800m in military aid, around a third of the total it planned to dish out this year, citing a lack of co-operation by Pakistan in fighting extremists. India cheered, but grumbles echoed in Islamabad. The defence minister, Ahmad Mukhtar, said Pakistani soldiers might be pulled from guarding the Afghan border. One hopes he did not speak for the real power in the land, General Ashfaq Kayani, the armed-forces chief. The idea is desperate: removing such troops would be a boost to insurgents who threaten Pakistan and Afghanistan alike.

In any case, the situation in Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state of 180m people, looks dire. Its rotten economy, broken legal system, Islamist insurgency, and street warfare among ethnic gangs in its main business centre, Karachi, are topped off by politicians widely derided as clowns. The army, still supreme but with its public image tarnished, is sunk in gloom: bitter over Bin Laden’s death, and over CIA agents who roamed across cities without the oversight of local intelligence officers. A risk now is that Pakistan’s huffy leaders drag their country into isolation.

America, too, seems to be pushing it that way. Officials frequently talk of Pakistan as all but a rogue state. Maleeha Lodhi, a former ambassador to Washington, says America’s new policy of “tough love” is “more tough than love”. Getting firmer with Pakistan may not be a bad idea in itself, but America bungles when it is unclear about its goals or tells Pakistan to act against its own strategic interests. Contradictory demands, telling Pakistan both to hunt down Afghan insurgent leaders on its soil and to bring them to the negotiating table, will not get far.

The muddle is not helped by America’s growing eagerness to find a quick way out of Afghanistan. Pakistanis, who fear they will be left holding the mess, accuse it of neglecting wider goals of promoting regional stability. They like to point out, too, that America has abandoned them before, cutting aid and military support when Soviet forces left Afghanistan at the end of the 1980s.

Still, Pakistan is exasperating. Bin Laden was a greater threat to Pakistan than to America in recent years, yet Pakistanis behave as if they regret his death. A festering source of tension is Pakistan’s backing, or at least tolerance, of violent jihadist groups active in Afghanistan, India and beyond. Pakistan is carrying out operations against some extremist networks on its soil, but says that it cannot make enemies of them all. It could obviously do more.

A hope is that Pakistan and America will realise, after all, that they need each other. America shares Pakistan’s long-held view that only a political settlement is possible in Afghanistan, or at least that outright military defeat of the Taliban is impossible. Any deal requires Pakistani help. The two sides also ought to agree on the dangers posed by al-Qaeda and its affiliates. As for Pakistan, for all its bluster, it desperately needs foreign, ie, American money. The sulks may have to end.

from the print edition | Asia
 
If the substance of the report is accurate, that is to say that Pakistan have decided to signal that they will not condone not just CIA but any secret service of any country to conduct clandestine operations on Pakistani soil, then it is a decision all Pakistanis can support - however, it's confusing,after all, should this message not have been conveyed by the Foreign Ministry?

It has been pointed out that Pasha has more on his agenda than the no clandestine operations message - fair enough, however, leaving the foreign Ministry out of this, seems to me, is a mistake, it allows elements of the executive to suggests that they were not part of the buy in, have no ownership, seems to me all of this could have been avoided, so long as the public were presented with a picture of a united stand.
 
from: Pakistan and America: In a sulk | The Economist

Pakistan and America
In a sulk
Relations grow yet worse between Pakistan and the superpower
Jul 14th 2011 | ISLAMABAD | from the print edition

EVEN at the best of times it would have seemed unusual for America’s embassy in Islamabad to organise its recent gathering for “gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender” people. Given the grim state of bilateral relations, the meeting looked downright provocative. Some in Pakistan’s religiously conservative society promptly accused America of conspiring to attack them by spreading outrageously liberal sexual views. One Islamic political party called it “cultural terrorism”.

Though the United States remains, by far, Pakistan’s biggest financial benefactor, it is reviled among Pakistanis, many of whom genuinely believe that Americans are set on their country’s destruction. What little trust existed before the killing in May, by American special forces, of Osama bin Laden, is disappearing fast. The Americans gave Pakistan no warning; Pakistanis, especially the armed forces, felt humiliated. On July 12th Pakistan’s spy chief went to Washington, DC, for the first time since Bin Laden’s death.

There is plenty to discuss. At the weekend America said it would suspend $800m in military aid, around a third of the total it planned to dish out this year, citing a lack of co-operation by Pakistan in fighting extremists. India cheered, but grumbles echoed in Islamabad. The defence minister, Ahmad Mukhtar, said Pakistani soldiers might be pulled from guarding the Afghan border. One hopes he did not speak for the real power in the land, General Ashfaq Kayani, the armed-forces chief. The idea is desperate: removing such troops would be a boost to insurgents who threaten Pakistan and Afghanistan alike.

In any case, the situation in Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state of 180m people, looks dire. Its rotten economy, broken legal system, Islamist insurgency, and street warfare among ethnic gangs in its main business centre, Karachi, are topped off by politicians widely derided as clowns. The army, still supreme but with its public image tarnished, is sunk in gloom: bitter over Bin Laden’s death, and over CIA agents who roamed across cities without the oversight of local intelligence officers. A risk now is that Pakistan’s huffy leaders drag their country into isolation.

America, too, seems to be pushing it that way. Officials frequently talk of Pakistan as all but a rogue state. Maleeha Lodhi, a former ambassador to Washington, says America’s new policy of “tough love” is “more tough than love”. Getting firmer with Pakistan may not be a bad idea in itself, but America bungles when it is unclear about its goals or tells Pakistan to act against its own strategic interests. Contradictory demands, telling Pakistan both to hunt down Afghan insurgent leaders on its soil and to bring them to the negotiating table, will not get far.

The muddle is not helped by America’s growing eagerness to find a quick way out of Afghanistan. Pakistanis, who fear they will be left holding the mess, accuse it of neglecting wider goals of promoting regional stability. They like to point out, too, that America has abandoned them before, cutting aid and military support when Soviet forces left Afghanistan at the end of the 1980s.

Still, Pakistan is exasperating. Bin Laden was a greater threat to Pakistan than to America in recent years, yet Pakistanis behave as if they regret his death. A festering source of tension is Pakistan’s backing, or at least tolerance, of violent jihadist groups active in Afghanistan, India and beyond. Pakistan is carrying out operations against some extremist networks on its soil, but says that it cannot make enemies of them all. It could obviously do more.

A hope is that Pakistan and America will realise, after all, that they need each other. America shares Pakistan’s long-held view that only a political settlement is possible in Afghanistan, or at least that outright military defeat of the Taliban is impossible. Any deal requires Pakistani help. The two sides also ought to agree on the dangers posed by al-Qaeda and its affiliates. As for Pakistan, for all its bluster, it desperately needs foreign, ie, American money. The sulks may have to end.

from the print edition | Asia

What does this article have to do with the topic of the thread?
 
What does this article have to do with the topic of the thread?

Did you even read it? Let me make it easier for you.

from: Pakistan and America: In a sulk | The Economist

Pakistan and America
In a sulk
Relations grow yet worse between Pakistan and the superpower
Jul 14th 2011 | ISLAMABAD | from the print edition

EVEN at the best of times it would have seemed unusual for America’s embassy in Islamabad to organise its recent gathering for “gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender” people. Given the grim state of bilateral relations, the meeting looked downright provocative. Some in Pakistan’s religiously conservative society promptly accused America of conspiring to attack them by spreading outrageously liberal sexual views. One Islamic political party called it “cultural terrorism”.

Though the United States remains, by far, Pakistan’s biggest financial benefactor, it is reviled among Pakistanis, many of whom genuinely believe that Americans are set on their country’s destruction. What little trust existed before the killing in May, by American special forces, of Osama bin Laden, is disappearing fast. The Americans gave Pakistan no warning; Pakistanis, especially the armed forces, felt humiliated. On July 12th Pakistan’s spy chief went to Washington, DC, for the first time since Bin Laden’s death.

There is plenty to discuss. At the weekend America said it would suspend $800m in military aid, around a third of the total it planned to dish out this year, citing a lack of co-operation by Pakistan in fighting extremists. India cheered, but grumbles echoed in Islamabad. The defence minister, Ahmad Mukhtar, said Pakistani soldiers might be pulled from guarding the Afghan border. One hopes he did not speak for the real power in the land, General Ashfaq Kayani, the armed-forces chief. The idea is desperate: removing such troops would be a boost to insurgents who threaten Pakistan and Afghanistan alike.


In any case, the situation in Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state of 180m people, looks dire. Its rotten economy, broken legal system, Islamist insurgency, and street warfare among ethnic gangs in its main business centre, Karachi, are topped off by politicians widely derided as clowns. The army, still supreme but with its public image tarnished, is sunk in gloom: bitter over Bin Laden’s death, and over CIA agents who roamed across cities without the oversight of local intelligence officers. A risk now is that Pakistan’s huffy leaders drag their country into isolation.

America, too, seems to be pushing it that way. Officials frequently talk of Pakistan as all but a rogue state. Maleeha Lodhi, a former ambassador to Washington, says America’s new policy of “tough love” is “more tough than love”. Getting firmer with Pakistan may not be a bad idea in itself, but America bungles when it is unclear about its goals or tells Pakistan to act against its own strategic interests. Contradictory demands, telling Pakistan both to hunt down Afghan insurgent leaders on its soil and to bring them to the negotiating table, will not get far.

The muddle is not helped by America’s growing eagerness to find a quick way out of Afghanistan. Pakistanis, who fear they will be left holding the mess, accuse it of neglecting wider goals of promoting regional stability. They like to point out, too, that America has abandoned them before, cutting aid and military support when Soviet forces left Afghanistan at the end of the 1980s.

Still, Pakistan is exasperating. Bin Laden was a greater threat to Pakistan than to America in recent years, yet Pakistanis behave as if they regret his death. A festering source of tension is Pakistan’s backing, or at least tolerance, of violent jihadist groups active in Afghanistan, India and beyond. Pakistan is carrying out operations against some extremist networks on its soil, but says that it cannot make enemies of them all. It could obviously do more.

A hope is that Pakistan and America will realise, after all, that they need each other. America shares Pakistan’s long-held view that only a political settlement is possible in Afghanistan, or at least that outright military defeat of the Taliban is impossible. Any deal requires Pakistani help. The two sides also ought to agree on the dangers posed by al-Qaeda and its affiliates. As for Pakistan, for all its bluster, it desperately needs foreign, ie, American money. The sulks may have to end.

from the print edition | Asia
 
these are empty words, first stop drone attacks where innocent pakistanis are dying then talk big
 
Did you even read it? Let me make it easier for you.

I read it, but you didn't make it easier for me, considering the article didn't mention Raymond Davis, the military trainers, the visas being issued (or the lack of them); & only had one/two sentences that 'alluded to' the covert ops inside Pakistan. Let me make it easier for you for highlighting which one it is:

What little trust existed before the killing in May, by American special forces, of Osama bin Laden, is disappearing fast. The Americans gave Pakistan no warning; Pakistanis, especially the armed forces, felt humiliated.

This (the following) does not have to do with the CIA network inside Pakistan, but about the relationship between the US & Pakistan top brass.

There is plenty to discuss. At the weekend America said it would suspend $800m in military aid, around a third of the total it planned to dish out this year, citing a lack of co-operation by Pakistan in fighting extremists. India cheered, but grumbles echoed in Islamabad. The defence minister, Ahmad Mukhtar, said Pakistani soldiers might be pulled from guarding the Afghan border. One hopes he did not speak for the real power in the land, General Ashfaq Kayani, the armed-forces chief. The idea is desperate: removing such troops would be a boost to insurgents who threaten Pakistan and Afghanistan alike.
 
Did you even read it? Let me make it easier for you.

Now, the following things in the article (95% of the article) does not pertain to the topic at hand, about the CIA networks in Pakistan. Let me make it easier for you by highlighting some of the more obvious sentences:

it would have seemed unusual for America’s embassy in Islamabad to organise its recent gathering for “gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender” people. Given the grim state of bilateral relations, the meeting looked downright provocative. Some in Pakistan’s religiously conservative society promptly accused America of conspiring to attack them by spreading outrageously liberal sexual views. One Islamic political party called it “cultural terrorism”.

Though the United States remains, by far, Pakistan’s biggest financial benefactor, it is reviled among Pakistanis, many of whom genuinely believe that Americans are set on their country’s destruction.

In any case, the situation in Pakistan, a nuclear-armed state of 180m people, looks dire. Its rotten economy, broken legal system, Islamist insurgency, and street warfare among ethnic gangs in its main business centre, Karachi, are topped off by politicians widely derided as clowns.

America, too, seems to be pushing it that way. Officials frequently talk of Pakistan as all but a rogue state.

A festering source of tension is Pakistan’s backing, or at least tolerance, of violent jihadist groups active in Afghanistan, India and beyond.

As for Pakistan, for all its bluster, it desperately needs foreign, ie, American money. The sulks may have to end.
 
Situation in Karachi alarming: US Ambassador

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ISLAMABAD: The US has expressed concern over the violence in Karachi and has stressed on all stakeholders to solve their differences.

In a statement issued by the US ambassador to Pakistan, Cameron Munter stated that the death of 60 people in three days in Karachi was alarming. He stressed on all the stakeholders not to escalate the situation and put their differences aside. The US ambassador also sent his condolences to the families of the victims.

Americans are Infringing in our internal matters as if they own us.It is now become day to day activity..
 
Situation in Karachi alarming: US Ambassador

7-8-2011_18321_l.jpg


ISLAMABAD: The US has expressed concern over the violence in Karachi and has stressed on all stakeholders to solve their differences.

In a statement issued by the US ambassador to Pakistan, Cameron Munter stated that the death of 60 people in three days in Karachi was alarming. He stressed on all the stakeholders not to escalate the situation and put their differences aside. The US ambassador also sent his condolences to the families of the victims.

Americans are Infringing in our internal matters as if they own us..

i dont find why US is concerned some how, it maybe that they wanna show that pakistan is a slave country to US, the deaths dont concern US but the high authority of calling yes sir when ever its master calls does
 
Situation in Karachi alarming: US Ambassador

7-8-2011_18321_l.jpg


ISLAMABAD: The US has expressed concern over the violence in Karachi and has stressed on all stakeholders to solve their differences.

In a statement issued by the US ambassador to Pakistan, Cameron Munter stated that the death of 60 people in three days in Karachi was alarming. He stressed on all the stakeholders not to escalate the situation and put their differences aside. The US ambassador also sent his condolences to the families of the victims.

Americans are Infringing in our internal matters as if they own us.It is now become day to day activity..

It is a sign of increasing frustration, nothing else. They claim the sole issue they are worried are Pakistan's nukes falling into the hands of terrorists, but talk about every other issue that doesn't have to do with that (Saleem Shahzad murder, Karachi ethnic riots etc).
 
Looks like Shuja Pasha went for more beeg from US, isn't it the real case ?
 
Situation in Karachi alarming: US Ambassador

7-8-2011_18321_l.jpg


ISLAMABAD: The US has expressed concern over the violence in Karachi and has stressed on all stakeholders to solve their differences.

In a statement issued by the US ambassador to Pakistan, Cameron Munter stated that the death of 60 people in three days in Karachi was alarming. He stressed on all the stakeholders not to escalate the situation and put their differences aside. The US ambassador also sent his condolences to the families of the victims.

Americans are Infringing in our internal matters as if they own us.It is now become day to day activity..
Americans don't express concerned because wherever you have expressed concerned on violence violence have increased a lot
 
Americans don't express concerned because wherever you have expressed concerned on violence violence have increased a lot

thts a bloody truth, wonder if americans are backing PPP pver the violance and PPP has clear involvement in this, and fact tht CIA has penetrated very deeply inside pakistan

the biggest american bebefit is unstable pakistan which furthers their goal
 
Pakistanis really need to take full control over Pakistan before these Americans do. Obama wants Pakistan to be the next Iraq and Afghanistan.
 

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