Pakistan will buy 17 Z-10 helicopters From China

[datalibdaz]

PAA getting hands on AH-1Z vipers is an achievement, its an amazing attack helicopter and the best of all i must say...Apaches are boring ......Must try to procure UH-1Y venom now....

PS.. I love Z-10;s too...

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

We are working on a indigenous one but it might take a while.

When Pakistan PM was asked about getting the ATAK's he said we are not interested in the current ATAK but the upgraded version with the Turkish engine....

 

[VelocuR]

Another lose - Mi-28N Beast

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The loser in this heli war the atak which i really liked

we were the losers of this fine helicopter. if its American components were not an issue then we would have taken it

Another lose - Mi-28N Beast

doubt if Russia would have agreed to sell it

 

[Zarvan]

no joke
remember hussain haqqanis article posted by Indians here? we in Pakistan call him thee real haqqani network who works and voices against Pakistan
if vipers are confirmed then its excellent news.


so we will inshallah be operating 3 different combat platforms I understand that Mil usage is very much Coin specific but z-10 and cobras roles have a clash I am not complaining I will want them all for diversity cobras because of our history with their predecessors and Z-10s because of reliability and flexibility of the partner.

Sir than I can tell you they are confirmed and will arrive soon.

no joke
remember hussain haqqanis article posted by Indians here? we in Pakistan call him thee real haqqani network who works and voices against Pakistan
if vipers are confirmed then its excellent news.


so we will inshallah be operating 3 different combat platforms I understand that Mil usage is very much Coin specific but z-10 and cobras roles have a clash I am not complaining I will want them all for diversity cobras because of our history with their predecessors and Z-10s because of reliability and flexibility of the partner.

Sir than I can tell you they are confirmed and will arrive soon.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Fail to understand why US didn't approve Turkish helo deal for Pakistan. Bell is influenced these decision. Having high stake in Pak army Bell fleet and after helo talks with China and Russia, US congress suddenly thought the bone of Bell 1Z.......???....engine sanction failed to understand ...

valid question
which really is annoying not just bad for Pakistan but for a fellow NATO member

 

[HAIDER]

valid question
which really is annoying not just bad for Pakistan but for a fellow NATO member

I think PA is holding one of the biggest fleet of Bell helo (app total around 170). And Bell has not introduced anything in last few year in rotary engine. Reason may be sluggish defence demand and try to keep alive older manufacturing plants. The last attack helo was introduced by Boeing Apache by any US defence industry.
Before delivering 1Z they will go for upgrades and which will be paid by US congress through Non-NATO allies fund . Save many jobs in Bell. Defence industry is monster , where companies make money though maintenance contracts and upgrades.

 

[khanasifm]

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Turkish industry to upgrade foreign Cobra attack helos - IHS Jane's 360

Turkey is to undertake a modernisation programme for a foreign operator of the Bell AH-1 Cobra attack helicopter, it was announced on 24 June.

Turkish Aerospace Industries and Aselsan signed a USD24.8 million contract the day prior to the announcement to carry out the upgrade work by the end of 2020. No further details pertaining to either the customer or the work were disclosed.

Not including Turkey, there are still eight military operators of the AH-1 in Bahrain, Iran, Jordan, Pakistan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, and the United States. Both Iran and the United States can safely be ruled out as customers for the Turkish upgrade for political and industrial reasons, while Pakistan is looking to replace its ageing Cobras with the latest variant AH-1Z Viper (a deal for which is expected to be concluded shortly).

 

[VelocuR]

we were the losers of this fine helicopter. if its American components were not an issue then we would have taken it


doubt if Russia would have agreed to sell it

Russia is willing to supply Mi-28N helicopters as well.

 

[HAIDER]

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Turkish industry to upgrade foreign Cobra attack helos - IHS Jane's 360

Turkey is to undertake a modernisation programme for a foreign operator of the Bell AH-1 Cobra attack helicopter, it was announced on 24 June.

Turkish Aerospace Industries and Aselsan signed a USD24.8 million contract the day prior to the announcement to carry out the upgrade work by the end of 2020. No further details pertaining to either the customer or the work were disclosed.

Not including Turkey, there are still eight military operators of the AH-1 in Bahrain, Iran, Jordan, Pakistan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, and the United States. Both Iran and the United States can safely be ruled out as customers for the Turkish upgrade for political and industrial reasons, while Pakistan is looking to replace its ageing Cobras with the latest variant AH-1Z Viper (a deal for which is expected to be concluded shortly).

Pakistan getting everything old except Russian helos.Z-10 was powered by two Canadian Pratt & Whitney PT6C-67C turboshaft engines. We ll discuss Z10 engine issue later or ask any Chinese member, about how China overcome Z10 engine issue.
If Chinese engineer are planning to use Z9 engine then this helicopter is doomed, because Z9 has low powered engine compared to P&W.

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan getting everything old except Russian helos.Z-10 was powered by two Canadian Pratt & Whitney PT6C-67C turboshaft engines. We ll discuss Z10 engine issue later or ask any Chinese member, about how China overcome Z10 engine issue.
If Chinese engineer are planning to use Z9 engine then this helicopter is doomed, because Z9 has low powered engine compared to P&W.

That is WZ-19 which is powered by engines you mentioned WZ-10 now has wz 16 engine and other upgrades. Z9 is different helicopter its upgraded version is called WZ-19

 

[iby32]

Best thing according to mf
30 z10
30 t129 for army aviation
20 ah1 z for mariens
12 15 mi 35 fr paramilitary forces

 

[cabatli_53]

Fail to understand why US didn't approve Turkish helo deal for Pakistan. Bell is influenced these decision. Having high stake in Pak army Bell fleet and after helo talks with China and Russia, US congress suddenly thought the bone of Bell 1Z.......???....engine sanction failed to understand ...

There is not engine issue for T129 Atak on export markets, since same powerfull engine is selected for Turkey's domestic utility helicopter program. Bahrain and Turkey is proceeding negotiations for a likely Atak deal in additions to Cobra upgrade program as well. If there was such a blockage problem of Atak, Officials would never select same engine for TUHP program. There are some other unknown factors for Pakistan and T129 program. Most probably, It is the price issue that Turkey can't compete with Chinese offer.

 

[HAIDER]

There is not engine issue for T129 Atak on export markets, since same powerfull engine is selected for Turkey's domestic utility helicopter program. Bahrain and Turkey is proceeding negotiations for a likely Atak deal in additions to Cobra upgrade program as well. If there was such a blockage problem of Atak, Officials would never select same engine for TUHP program. There are some other unknown factors for Pakistan and T129 program. Most probably, It is the price issue that Turkey can't compete with Chinese offer.

The issue is Pakistan and Turkish army bonding, engine manufacturer knows, a signing " a limit of collaboration" will exceed the cooperation between the two forces behind close doors. That's very clear Bahraini fleet of 129 will maintain and operate by Turkish forces. May be US has no problem, but Turkish are dealing with British suppliers of this US engine, they might have their own reservations about Pakistan.

 

[Thorough Pro]

I know it first hand, don't need any text books, probably you are taught wrong by your joker media

Thats what your textbooks teach you. False history.