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Pakistan wants the US to give it a "fixed annual sum" for keeping troops in Nth. Waziristan

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There are few journalists funded by anti-Pakistani elements to stop aid,

Ocean of people clapping on this comment. Good job!:yahoo:

so Mr. Patriot why don't you enlighten us how are you going to fund this war for next few years - especially with hostile govt in Afghanistan & don't forget your eastern border----am not justifying the begging - but CSF ---they made a mess in the region - hell they should pay for it

This is precisely the problem.

According to you, they made a mess in this region and they should pay for it. "made" "should"

So $$$ motherlands knew that too that they were making mess right? If that was the case, why did they take money from the same country that was making mess? Moreover, what was the outcome of that $$$? 50K people dead. Economy deteriorated. Poverty. Illiteracy...Yet motherlands and the king league made good money.

It is like you giving me the money to kill the robbers. Yet your policies were actually pushing people to be robbers....

NOTE: We always criticize terror ninjas of their ruthless killing spree that resulted in 50k people being dead. However, did any and I mean anyone from the military echelons was forced to answer about the failure?

We sing the songs of Mushy and so on - As a head of state, he is responsible for those killings. Responsible because if he could not formulate successive strategy, he should have resigned from the post. However, we all know the $$$ motherlands were the same greedy bz that made money during Zia era. The story line was different this time.
 
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This is Pakistan's war. It's the "Pakistani man's burden" to civilize the inhabitants of Fata, and bring them into the 21st century from 2000bc. Fata tribals are damaging the Pakistani man's aspirations to form a strong state by their hyper-criminality and tendency to host anti-social and anti-state people. This is Pakistan's war through and through.

Fata needs to be integrated into KPK province with their more advanced Pakhtun brethren. Pakistan needs to make roads and schools in FATA, and then maybe their grandsons and daughters might become hard working, law abiding citizens rather than carjacks, smugglers and thieves.
 
This is Pakistan's war. It's the "Pakistani man's burden" to civilize the inhabitants of Fata, and bring them into the 21st century from 2000bc. Fata tribals are damaging the Pakistani man's aspirations to form a strong state by their hyper-criminality and tendency to host anti-social and anti-state people. This is Pakistan's war through and through.

Fata needs to be integrated into KPK province with their more advanced Pakhtun brethren. Pakistan needs to make roads and schools in FATA, and then maybe their grandsons and daughters might become hard working, law abiding citizens rather than carjacks, smugglers and thieves.

Agreed. Completely agreed. Agreed to build schools and infrastructure. Agreed to put smugglers and drug lords in the jail. No question about that.

But can we also put the $$$ motherland jernails and the civilian counterparts in the jail too?

I think justice is for all, no?
 
Sun Yuxi, a former ambassador to both Afghanistan and India, has been named to the new position and will have “close communication” with Afghanistan and other relevant parties, the ministry said in a statement. ----- So what does this all point to?
 
Agreed. Completely agreed. Agreed to build schools and infrastructure. Agreed to put smugglers and drug lords in the jail. No question about that.

But can we also put the $$$ motherland jernails and the civilian counterparts in the jail too?

I think justice is for all, no?

Yeah we should put generals like Hamid Gul behind the bars. About the $$$, this anti-Americanism is propagated by the mullah JUI/Jamaat/PTI lobby in Pakistan. Americans are actually the "lesser evil" than what we are facing in the form of ISIS, Al-Qaeda and Taliban. An enemy of my enemy is my friend.

With that being said, Pakistan can't afford a confrontation or breakage of ties with the US. It is unavoidable that it is a super power after all. With a country as disunited as ours, where everyone wants even his own house to become "independent", it is a bad idea to clash with the US.
 
Yeah we should put generals like Hamid Gul behind the bars. About the $$$, this anti-Americanism is propagated by the mullah JUI/Jamaat/PTI lobby in Pakistan. Americans are actually the "lesser evil" than what we are facing in the form of ISIS, Al-Qaeda and Taliban. An enemy of my enemy is my friend.

With that being said, Pakistan can't afford a confrontation or breakage of ties with the US. It is unavoidable that it is a super power after all. With a country as disunited as ours, where everyone wants even his own house to become "independent", it is a bad idea to clash with the US.
I think if I get paid to spread propaganda I will do a lot better job than some here. Amrikan lords made ISIS. Go search that on Google. Jihadis are a lesser evil because they are trained and equipped by Mossad/CIA/Arabs etc. So logically, those that control and aid are the real monsters. So you mean if we stop taking $$$...we will be Anti American? Ties can be built upon getting no $$$...But motherlands and others seem to avoid that road.
 
I think if I get paid to spread propaganda I will do a lot better job than some here. Amrikan lords made ISIS. Go search that on Google. Jihadis are a lesser evil because they are trained and equipped by Mossad/CIA/Arabs etc. So logically, those that control and aid are the real monsters. So you mean if we stop taking $$$...we will be Anti American? Ties can be built upon getting no $$$...But motherlands and others seem to avoid that road.

Oh so you're accusing me of getting paid? Lol. If you're making accusations, then be direct at least and not be a coward/hypocrite. I bet you're a PTI kid. Anyone who doesn't worship their playboy turned Islamist messiah is automatically a recipient of dollars. Potianz' own Messiah goes on fund raising adventures in US, bears illegitimate children and pays 2 lakh yearly tax, yet people having a conflicting point of view are automatically "dollar khour". Your negative ratings show your where your sympathies lie and what your type is.

So by your logic the people who directly kill their own countrymen by receiving money from hostile states are the lesser evil than the states funding them? Wow, strong logic. With people like these "lesser evil" we don't need India or Israel to destroy us lol. And ISIS got most of it's funding from Saudi Arabia and Qatar, but will you have the courage to declare them "greater evil"? Of course not! A potian will always remain a potian.
 
So, if this is "our" war, why keep begging and billing USA for it? lols

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Pakistan plans to seek continued U.S. aid to help pay for its battle against terrorist groups in its northwestern provinces after American combat forces leave neighboring Afghanistan in 2016.

Pakistan expects to keep about 150,000 troops in North Waziristan until about 2017, even after its current operation to flush out terror groups in the area is completed, a Pakistani defense official said in an interview in Washington.

Since the Pakistani troop presence in the border region is intended to aid stability in neighboring Afghanistan, Pakistan plans to ask the U.S. to shoulder some of the costs in the form of a fixed annual sum because its economy is still weak, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss a topic that’s still being negotiated.

Pakistan has received billions of dollars from the U.S. since 2002 as compensation for fighting terrorist groups within its borders, and the idea that it should receive more is shocking, said Christine Fair, a professor at Georgetown University in Washington and the author of “Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army’s Way of War.”

“That is the most outrageous thing I’ve heard,” Fair said in an interview. “They’re basically seeking compensation for stabilizing a border that the ISI is busy destabilizing.”

She was referring to Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency, which U.S. intelligence officials say also supports Taliban groups, the Haqqani network and other militant groups that attack coalition troops in Afghanistan.

As of 2013, the U.S. had paid Pakistan $11 billion out of the Pentagon’s coalition support fund budget as reimbursement for the South Asian nation’s military efforts aiding U.S. counterterrorism operations. Including other military and economic aid, the U.S. has given Pakistan about $28 billion during the 12 years through 2014, according to the Congressional Research Service.

Tehrik-e-Taliban
The U.S. is likely to acquiesce on the aid request because the Obama administration is concerned about the safety of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, Fair said.

“The Americans are very interested in helping Pakistanis do what they’re doing to kill the TTPs,” Fair said referring to members of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, which has gone on an offensive against the Pakistani government. “We are paying them to mow the lawn even though they’re fertilizing other parts of the lawn” by aiding groups that attack coalition forces, she said.

The U.S. halted reimbursements for 2012 when Pakistan blocked NATO cargo transiting through the country to Afghanistan in retaliation for a U.S. airstrike that mistakenly killed 24 Pakistani border troops.

‘Deepest Regrets’
The supply routes remained shut for seven months and were reopened in July 2012 only after former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed “deepest regrets” for the accidental killings.

Since then, U.S. lawmakers have attached conditions to the annual reimbursement stipulating that the Pentagon must certify that Pakistan isn’t blocking supply routes and that it’s cooperating in counterterrorism efforts. Congress also gave the Pentagon and the State Department authority to seek waivers on national security grounds.

In August 2012, the State Department used that waiver authority to seek an exemption from certifying that Pakistan was cooperating on counterterrorism efforts, allowing for the reimbursements, according to the Congressional Research Service. It was the first time the Obama administration had sought such a waiver for Pakistan, according to the research service.

Ground Offensive
The Senate has proposed continued restrictions on reimbursements to Pakistan in the 2015 defense budget that’s being debated in Congress. A portion of the reimbursement for 2015 is not eligible for a waiver, and can be paid only if the U.S. defense secretary certifies that Pakistan has “undertaken military operations in North Waziristan that have significantly disrupted the safe haven and freedom of movement of the Haqqani network in Pakistan,” according to an amendment added by Senator Carl Levin, the Michigan Democrat who heads the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Pakistan’s military forces last month began a ground offensive to flush militants from that semi-autonomous tribal region on the Afghan border. It is an area -- roughly the size of Connecticutwith about 700,000 residents -- that Michael Mullen, the U.S.’s former top military official, in 2010 called it the “epicenter of terrorism” and “where al-Qaeda lives.”

Despite months of warning the U.S. and other coalition troops in Afghanistan about the need to plug the border before Pakistan’s military operation, as many as 30,000 people from North Waziristan, including some militant-group leaders, are thought to have crossed into neighboring Afghanistan unchecked, the Pakistan official said.

Pakistan has used U.S.-made F-16 jets to bomb North Waziristan and today said it killed 35 militants in one such strike. Pakistani forces have captured several tons of improvised-explosive devices, or IEDs, and other crude bombs in the area, the Pakistan official said.
Soon i ll start a thread about operating cost of Pakistan army per demand of democratic govt and also plus statement by Defence Minister made few years ago,.,,that army suck our blood from civil govts ....
 
An Indian author citing a known Pakistan basher without actual proof.

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