Pakistan US Relations After the US attack on PA Soldiers

[W.11]

i hope this is some hooke's law breaking point not just a hype

 

[CENTCOM]

Sir! We've alwayz been trying to help U guyz out but its ure Ure govt hurting ure own missions by attacking our innocent soldiers...thats why we have to keep ourselves safe from future problems or errupting a fullfledge war between us. Since no official apology has been issued from ure govt cuz they never even confessed its their mistake. If Ure govt was sincere with us they would have taken full reponsibility , appologized and handed over the culprits to us for the prosecution plus would have offered us the damage reembursement for the suffered families etc etc .. .....

Dear “Regular”

Your frustration is certainly understandable given the current circumstances, but it is important to remember that we have come too far and made too many sacrifices to now just give up on achieving our common objectives in the region. We are waiting for the results of the investigation, and it’s important to reserve comment until that is completed. We have repeatedly expressed regret over this tragic incident and conveyed our sincere and most heartfelt condolences to the Pakistani people for this loss. The President has also made it clear that this regrettable incident was not a deliberate attack on Pakistan and has reiterated the United States’ strong commitment to a full investigation. We respectfully ask for your patience, and again express our hope that our nations will find the strength to move forward for the sake of keeping the region safe from the common threat.

MAJ Nevers,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

 

[Jango]

But CENTCOM, nobody is saying that this cooperation should end, and that we should cut all ties with the US, but one thing must be kept in mind, that this should be a relationship based on mutual respect, you respect us, we respect you.

Just today a statement has come from the US joint chief of staff, that we will tell our allies to do more, and that the military objectives have been achieved. How have they been achieved when Taliban are still very much so present there, they have a stronghold in alot of provinces, and why keep on urging Pakistan to do more? Why keep on blaming Pakistan that there are terrorists here. The Chairman joint chief of staff should understand that there are terror strongholds on both sides of the border, not only Pakistan.

 

[Rank]

This region is more unstable then before 9/11 and in future after withdrawl from Afghanistan. Afghanistan will be going more unstable then today. Before 9/11 Pakistan don't have any sucide bombings etc. Today because of US Started WOT Pakistan economy and lost 40,000 people. US control Pakistan from fear/scared people like Musharaf to convey message that if you will not get American support you will die because of this non-sense maturity of Musharaf and people like such leaders Pakistan today suffering. The country who have lost every war in his history who even not capable to save his own soldiers who even not continue his operations without supply because of such country Pakistani's will die ? what a non-sense of musharaf and people like Musharaf and PPP govt.

USA and Pakistan have no common interest.

USA Supporting India every where industry/technology/media - other side - India is Pakistan's FIRST Enemy!
USA supporting India in Afghanistan - other side - Pakistan against India in Afghanistan
USA selling top tech weapons to India - other side - Pakistan fighting US WOT but never get a chance of any single good deal when we have better economy than India
USA want India as a regional super - VISION power for US to control this region - other side - Pakistan against Indian as a leading state for US agenda over this region

We have nothing not a single thing as common. US put his failure on Pakistan every time. From washington post to Newyork Times, infact all media who even don't have authority to post any thing without Pentagon and Washington approval always bashing against Pakistan and that time US govt and pentagon both keep quiet.

Which kind of common interests ???????

Pakistan in the state of War from last 10 years infact from last 60 years. But last 10 years PAkistan suffering more then any country because of this WOT. IMO its not WOT its WAR Against Pakistan. Pakistan should cut-off all ties with USA or max-minimize at all top level.

 

[Lankan Ranger]

Khar & Munter discuss Pakistan-US relations

US ambassador Cameron Munter called on Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar on Friday and discussed current status of bilateral relations between Pakistan and the United States.

The Foreign Minister said that relations between the two countries must be based on mutual respect. She added that the recent incidents had led to the re-evaluation of terms of engagement.

The US Ambassador assured the Foreign Minister of an early conclusion of the investigation into the tragic incident on November 26 and to work together with the Government of Pakistan to normalize the relationship at the earliest.

Khar, Munter discuss Pak-US relations | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

 

[Dance]

WASHINGTON, Dec 9: The US military chief has said there still are sanctuaries for militants in Pakistan and that the country’s influence in Afghanistan needs to be tackled.

“In Pakistan, the sanctuary for these militants persists. We have to work hard to end its influence on our Afghan mission,” Gen Martin Dempsey said on Friday.

The chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff also said that Pakistan’s decision to block Nato supply routes reflected badly on its relationship with the United States.

The US military chief indicated that the US was already working on alternative routes to reduce its dependence on Pakistan for supplying its troops in Afghanistan. “We can change the percentages of our reliance upon the Pakistani line of communication.

“We can adjust and we can get it done. It will be more expensive. It will be time-consuming but we have the time to do it,” he said.

“The real problem for me is not the cost. What is troubling me is that they would close the route. What it says about the (US-Pakistan) relationship is troubling for us.”

The general insisted that those who were burning Nato fuel trucks in Pakistan were doing little harm to the US. “When they torch fuel, it is not our fuel they are torching. We do not pay for fuel until it gets to us.”

Gen Dempsey claimed the US military had achieved its “intended purpose” in Afghanistan by reversing the Taliban momentum. He noted that a recent loya jirga in Afghanistan had emphasised the need for establishing a long-term relationship with the United States “in a very encouraging way”.

Gen Dempsey insisted that the Nato attack on two Pakistani border posts was not deliberate. “We did not do it intentionally, regrettably the Pakistani military believes that we did,” he said when asked what caused the attack.

“It is incomprehensible to me, based on our relationship, that they believe so, but they do.”

In an earlier statement, he had said the US-Pakistan ties were troubled, but repairable. His latest remarks at Washington’s Atlantic Council, however, reflected a growing disenchantment with an ally that once played a key role in implementing America’s cold war strategy for Afghanistan.

Pakistan’s military said the Nov 26 attack was unprovoked but the US and Afghan officials have claimed that Nato troops were responding to fire from the Pakistani side of the border.

Expressing his exasperation with the Pakistani perception, Gen Dempsey asked: “What in the world we will hope to gain from it? We did not do it intentionally.”

The US military chief said he had spoken to Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, who was his classmate at a military college in the United States, about the incident and was now waiting for the investigation to conclude. He has also held similar discussions with Nato commanders in Afghanistan, he added.

“We have chosen patience and we are asking them (the Pakistanis) to show some patience too.”

Asked why the Pakistanis were claiming that the attack on their military posts was intentional, Gen Dempsey said: “We are kind of the victims of our own success sometimes. The rest of the world sees (us) as all-knowing, all-seeing and completely precise”.

But this was not always true as “the warfare is not just ugly. It is messy. It is chaotic and it is unpredictable. We are waiting for the investigation to tell us what really happened.”

The killings have served to upend Washington’s attempts to improve ties with Islamabad, which worsened after the secret US raid into Abbottabad to kill Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in May. The Nov 26 incident also threatened to undermine US efforts to stabilise the region before a planned troop withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2014.

US needs to tackle Pakistan

 

[Omar1984]

U.S. should focus on its own backyard - Mexico.

Let Pakistan focus on its own backyard - Afghanistan.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

U.S. should focus on its own backyard - Mexico.

Let Pakistan focus on its own backyard - Afghanistan.

Afghanistan happens to be the "backyard" of a number of nations, not just Pakistan. Obviously, all those nations need to focus on that "backyard" as well.

 

[Omar1984]

Afghanistan is Pakistan's backyard.

U.S. is on the other side of the planet.

 

[pakdefender]

and how exactly is this moron yanky general going to do that ?! his supplies are under our control and will reamin so for the forseable future

American led NATO has continued to target Russia, they did so in the Georgia conflict and now again they are again doing to , Russians will not give them a free pass.

So what options do they have ? they will do an open attack on Pakistan ?! they are within our striking range and the dont have the cash to go pick a war a country that can potentially strike back with nuclear weapons

So this US general can literally go f*** himself

 

[Chrome Missiles]

Afghanistan is for afghans. Its not anyone's "BACKYARD".

 

[Devil Soul]

Damage control: US submits proposals to put ties back on track
Published: December 10, 2011
ISLAMABAD:
In an attempt to commence damage control, the US Ambassador to Pakistan is believed to have handed over a proposal to the government, envisaging a series of measures to repair bilateral ties, strained after last month’s Nato airstrikes on a Pakistani border post.
The proposal was ostensibly shared during Ambassador Cameron Munter’s meeting with Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar on Friday.
Details of the proposal, however, were closely guarded.
“The Ambassador discussed the current status of bilateral relations between Pakistan and the US,” said a statement issued following the Khar-Munter meeting.
Relations between the two countries must be based on mutual respect, the foreign minister was quoted as saying.
“The recent incidents have led to a re-evaluation of our terms of engagement,” she added.
The American ambassador assured Khar of an early conclusion of the investigation into the November 26 airstrike, the statement said.
From Khar, to Gilani, to Kayani
The exchange wasn’t all rhetoric, though. Following her meeting with Munter, Khar is said to have rushed to the Prime Minister Secretariat.
Khar conveyed to Prime Minister Gilani the US proposal to resolve issues straining bilateral ties, sources say.
The premier subsequently held consultations with Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, purportedly to discuss the US proposal.
An official handout issued by the premier’s office, however, did not mention any specific proposal from Washington.
Gilani will also chair the concluding session of a two-day conference of envoys, summoned from selected capitals to deliberate the situation after Nato strikes.
The conference was convened to formulate suggestions to review and reevaluate terms of engagements with the US and Nato.
Published in The Express Tribune, December 10th, 2011.

 

[Devil Soul]

US lawmaker calls for ending ‘irrational’ ties with Pakistan
Published: December 10, 2011
NEW YORK - A US lawmaker has called Pakistan a ‘radical Islamic terrorist State’, and backed a proposal that Washington work more closely with Russia to end the conflict in Afghanistan.
In a letter published in The New York Times on Friday, Republican Congresswoman Dana Rohrabacher, who is the Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, also called for ending US ‘irrational relationship’ with Pakistan and strengthening of ties with India. Rohrabacher wrote the letter in support of two officials of an American think-tank who argued in a Times op-ed article that the US should work more closely with Russia in Afghanistan. ‘They are right on target’, she said.
‘America must end its irrational relationship with Pakistan, which is clearly in cahoots with the insurgents we have been fighting. An American-Russian alignment based on opposition to Islamic extremism would provide a common interest to underpin a positive reset of relations’, she said. ‘We also need to shift our stance toward India on the same basis. New Delhi is a friend and a potential ally. India is a democracy with security interests in line with ours against Pakistan’, she added. ‘The writers argue that a northern route for Afghan supplies would be safer. It would also end the convoy-protection payments that NATO makes to Taliban-linked warlords, money that ends up buying weapons used against our troops in Afghanistan. This insanity must end’, she said.
US lawmaker calls for ending ‘irrational’ ties with Pakistan | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online

 

[53fd]

Dempsey talks like a total yank, & lacks the charisma that his predecessor did, even though he wasn't very well liked in Pakistan.

 

[bdslph]

then what r u doing there and wat NATO ISAF is doing there