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Members of Pakistan's spy agency are pressing Taliban field commanders to fight the U.S. and its allies in Afghanistan, some U.S. officials and Afghan militants say, a development that undercuts a key element of the Pentagon's strategy for ending the war.

The explosive accusation is the strongest yet in a series of U.S. criticisms of Pakistan, and shows a deteriorating relationship with an essential ally in the Afghan campaign. The U.S. has provided billions of dollars in military and development aid to Pakistan for its support.

The U.S. and Afghanistan have sought to persuade midlevel Taliban commanders to lay down their weapons in exchange for jobs or cash. The most recent Afghan effort at starting a peace process took place this week in Kabul.

But few Taliban have given up the fight, officials say. Some Taliban commanders and U.S. officials say militant leaders are being pressured by officers from Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency not to surrender.

"The ISI wants to arrest commanders who are not obeying [ISI] orders," said a Taliban commander in Kunar province.

U.S. officials say they have heard similar reports from captured militants and those negotiating to lay down their arms.

A senior Pakistani official dismissed the allegation, insisting Islamabad is fighting militants, not aiding them.

Whenever anything goes wrong in Afghanistan, ISI is to be blamed," said the senior Pakistani official. "Honestly, they see ISI agents behind every bush in Afghanistan."

The explosive accusations of ISI efforts to keep Taliban commanders on the battlefield are the strongest yet in a series of U.S. criticisms of Pakistan, and show a deteriorating relationship with an essential ally. The U.S. has provided billions of dollars in military and development aid to Pakistan in return for its support for the Afghan war and its own fight against extremists; the reports suggest some Pakistani officials are undermining that strategy.

The Taliban commander in Kunar, like others interviewed in recent days, said he remained opposed to the presence of foreign troops in Afghanistan and had no plans to stop fighting them. But "the ISI wants us to kill everyone—policemen, soldiers, engineers, teachers, civilians—just to intimidate people," the commander said.

He said he refused, and that the ISI had tried to arrest him. "Afghans are all brothers; tomorrow we could be sitting together in one room."

The allegations of interference by the Pakistani spy agency come amid a new U.S. strategic focus on Pakistan as key territory in the Afghan war.

Gen. David Petraeus, who took over in July as the top coalition commander in Afghanistan, has come to see militant havens in Pakistan, from which the Afghan Taliban and Haqqani network of radicals stage attacks in Afghanistan, as a greater threat than he had previously assessed them to be, according to officials.

Pakistan Urges On Taliban - WSJ.com
 
Members of Pakistan's spy agency are pressing Taliban field commanders to fight the U.S. and its allies in Afghanistan, some U.S. officials and Afghan militants say, a development that undercuts a key element of the Pentagon's strategy for ending the war.

The explosive accusation is the strongest yet in a series of U.S. criticisms of Pakistan, and shows a deteriorating relationship with an essential ally in the Afghan campaign. The U.S. has provided billions of dollars in military and development aid to Pakistan for its support.

The U.S. and Afghanistan have sought to persuade midlevel Taliban commanders to lay down their weapons in exchange for jobs or cash. The most recent Afghan effort at starting a peace process took place this week in Kabul.

But few Taliban have given up the fight, officials say. Some Taliban commanders and U.S. officials say militant leaders are being pressured by officers from Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency not to surrender.

"The ISI wants to arrest commanders who are not obeying [ISI] orders," said a Taliban commander in Kunar province.

U.S. officials say they have heard similar reports from captured militants and those negotiating to lay down their arms.

A senior Pakistani official dismissed the allegation, insisting Islamabad is fighting militants, not aiding them.

Whenever anything goes wrong in Afghanistan, ISI is to be blamed," said the senior Pakistani official. "Honestly, they see ISI agents behind every bush in Afghanistan."

The explosive accusations of ISI efforts to keep Taliban commanders on the battlefield are the strongest yet in a series of U.S. criticisms of Pakistan, and show a deteriorating relationship with an essential ally. The U.S. has provided billions of dollars in military and development aid to Pakistan in return for its support for the Afghan war and its own fight against extremists; the reports suggest some Pakistani officials are undermining that strategy.

The Taliban commander in Kunar, like others interviewed in recent days, said he remained opposed to the presence of foreign troops in Afghanistan and had no plans to stop fighting them. But "the ISI wants us to kill everyone—policemen, soldiers, engineers, teachers, civilians—just to intimidate people," the commander said.

He said he refused, and that the ISI had tried to arrest him. "Afghans are all brothers; tomorrow we could be sitting together in one room."

The allegations of interference by the Pakistani spy agency come amid a new U.S. strategic focus on Pakistan as key territory in the Afghan war.

Gen. David Petraeus, who took over in July as the top coalition commander in Afghanistan, has come to see militant havens in Pakistan, from which the Afghan Taliban and Haqqani network of radicals stage attacks in Afghanistan, as a greater threat than he had previously assessed them to be, according to officials.

Pakistan Urges On Taliban - WSJ.com



Really America?

ISI is that deadly for you?


Your intelligence budget is more than Indian and Pakistani defence budget combined.


I guess, you gotta fire some lazy *** workers now.
 
A real asseveration of ties between US and Pakistan is false. Tensions have always persisted due to some conflicted interests but nevertheless US and Pakistan both need each other as their interests align on many other issues.
 
If Pakistan had proper checks and balances on its government this wouldn't be an issue.

A case of the pot calling the kettle black. After now 10 years of Invasion and war (of liberation, of course), what does the world know of what the US is or wants to be doing in Afghanistan -- Indeed, if check and balances were what they should be inside the US government and US society, would this war be in it's 10th year?

Even in Woodward's new book, Obama's War, while pointing at Pakistan, Woodward makes clear that the US military mislead Obama into pursuing this war and further exposes the role of persons such as Mullen and Petraus. in this mischief -- but it is easier for all of us to point fingers at others than taking responsibility, something else, alas, the US leads the world in.

Unfortunately, sometimes even thinking people cannot get past, the so called last refuge of the scoundrel --one hoped that thinking persons of conscience may be guided by "Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right." Perhaps more in the US will seek to correct themselves and be surprised that they see changes in the way others behave towards them.
 
True. I dont understand why people even try to lie even when truth is so crystal clear and everyone knows it !

I dont know why people mumble and not do anything after finding the truth ...
 
First of all US can't win this war .. this is for sure InshaALLAh.....

Secondly if US keep on accusing Pakistan this way then they will loose the war even quicker, than they are loosing right now.... Now they really can't mess with Pakistan. the 10 day closure of border have shown this to US and NATO... Without the help of Pakistan they are nothing in Afghanistan right now.. they should realize this now....

So if they keep on saying such things then Pak Army and ISI will get more against the policy of US and NATO in war in Afghanistan. this will result in more reactions from PAK army like the blockade of supplies or even worse than this, which US and NATO can't bear right now.....
 
First of all US can't win this war .. this is for sure InshaALLAh.....

Secondly if US keep on accusing Pakistan this way then they will loose the war even quicker, than they are loosing right now.... Now they really can't mess with Pakistan. the 10 day closure of border have shown this to US and NATO... Without the help of Pakistan they are nothing in Afghanistan right now.. they should realize this now....

So if they keep on saying such things then Pak Army and ISI will get more against the policy of US and NATO in war in Afghanistan. this will result in more reactions from PAK army like the blockade of supplies or even worse than this, which US and NATO can't bear right now.....

you actually hit the nail! just refer to the highlighted part of your post. if this is what everyone in pakistan wants including the establishments, you are going to make sure you do all those things which are detrimental to US & NATO interests, if it means asking taliban's strike against US & NATO.. so be it. you can't pick and chose your level of co-operation. either you are with US or you are against them!! you can't have your cake & eat it too!!
 
A case of the pot calling the kettle black. After now 10 years of Invasion and war (of liberation, of course), what does the world know of what the US is or wants to be doing in Afghanistan -
Our overarching goal remains the same: to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and to prevent its capacity to threaten America and our allies in the future. To meet that goal, we will pursue the following objectives within Afghanistan. We must deny al Qaeda a safe haven. We must reverse the Taliban's momentum and deny it the ability to overthrow the government. And we must strengthen the capacity of Afghanistan's security forces and government so that they can take lead responsibility for Afghanistan's future.
link I believe U.S. actions match this stated policy. Isn't it really Pakistan's policy for Afghanistan that remains murky?
Indeed, if check and balances were what they should be inside the US government and US society, would this war be in it's 10th year?
What does checks and balances have to do with the length of a war? Executive and legislative powers in the U.S. are checked by laws periodically tested in the courts, laws ultimately founded upon limits set out in the U.S. Constitution. For example, under the War Powers Resolution the U.S. president can send troops anywhere on short notice, but Congress has to authorize it within 90 days or it can cut off funds.

Even in Woodward's new book, Obama's War, while pointing at Pakistan, Woodward makes clear that the US military mislead Obama into pursuing this war and further exposes the role of persons such as Mullen and Petraus.
I have to smile a little at this. Mr. Woodward is perhaps the most powerful reporter in America, but also the weakest. People who read him for decades can see a consistent pattern. he is ultimately responsible to his sources; the more important the information they provide and the higher-ranking they are the less likely he is to do the dirty on them. A President who provides him with confidential info is the highest-ranking of all; a military man who provides no racy information and who, because of secrecy, has no way to defend himself ranks lowest.

The upshot is that while the facts Woodward provides may be accurate, their context and meaning may be skewed by a false way of putting them together (he's been known to invent fake sources) or other facts that are deliberately omitted. link So I suspect any claim that the military "mislead" Obama as originating with the President himself.

Unfortunately, sometimes even thinking people cannot get past, the so called last refuge of the scoundrel --one hoped that thinking persons of conscience may be guided by "Our country, right or wrong...Perhaps more in the US will seek to correct themselves -
Administration policy is usually subject to continuous criticism by the opposition. The only recent exception to this was for about two months after 9-11, when everyone agreed that either the Taliban had to yield Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaida, or else the U.S. would drive the Taliban from power.

- and be surprised that they see changes in the way others behave towards them.
The Obama Administration believes it HAS "corrected" U.S. policy, only to discover that this hasn't changed many other countries' attitudes to the U.S. at all, or only made them worse. That's probably because such countries' attitudes towards the U.S. are often based on domestic political necessity, rather than any real actions on America's part.
 
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If US pulls out of afganistan without any positive results...pakistan is the country that is gonna get blamed....and who knows they might even impose some sanctions....
 
If US pulls out of afganistan without any positive results...pakistan is the country that is gonna get blamed....and who knows they might even impose some sanctions....

Why Pakistan is to be blamed, its US that stayed in Afghanistan for 10 years, they carpet bombed, they negotiated with all possible parties in Afghanistan, they ensured election twice, they drew war to Pakistan, All their suspected targets were taken care by Pakistani security forces, they droned their targets in Pakistani air space, they were provided with logistic facilities and Pakistani air space. Now Pakistani forces can't fight for them in Afghanistan. If they fail now it will be only US and NATO who should blame themselves.
 
Why Pakistan is to be blamed, its US that stayed in Afghanistan for 10 years, they carpet bombed, they negotiated with all possible parties in Afghanistan, they ensured election twice, they drew war to Pakistan, All their suspected targets were taken care by Pakistani security forces, they droned their targets in Pakistani air space, they were provided with logistic facilities and Pakistani air space. Now Pakistani forces can't fight for them in Afghanistan. If they fail now it will be only US and NATO who should blame themselves.

'Should' and 'would' are two different things, sadly.

They should blame their failure in Afghanistan on themselves, but they'll blame it on Pakistan...
 
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