Pakistan to remain in FATF grey list till February.

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

How do I know he meant blacklist? because he used the word, exactly like I'm spelling it B-L-A-C-K-L-I-S-T.

Also at this point I am confused if you are genuinely unable to understand what he's saying or just pretending to ignore the fact.

Either way, you are free to believe what you want to. If by Feb Pak clear all questions raised by FATF and move to white list, it'll be a win for India and I will be hoping for that, as that would mean no money from Pakistan will be going to cause problems in India.

What are you talking about now? What money to cause problems in india?

 

[Thamizh Puli]

He said, "action will be taken". No mention of being blacklisted. "Action taken" could allude to more reforms or continuing to stay on the grey list. As per indian claims, where did he state that Pakistan is going to be "blacklisted"?

@0.21-0.22 of this 27 second video he says blacklist. I hope it doesn't get to that. The required measures are good for Pakistan and the whole region.

 

[IndianGuy_]

@0.21-0.22 of this 27 second video he says blacklist. I hope it doesn't get to that. The required measures are good for Pakistan and the whole region.

Exactly. India will benefit if money from Pakistan doesn't find its ways to group that want to harm India.

 

[Mav3rick]

Congratulations for remains in grey list. It is a remarkable achievement. Cheers.

You are damn right it is an achievement when a quarter of the world's assholes are barking to have you placed on the Black List.

 

[Dubious]

You are free to search his interview it is on video and he said clearly that next action would be to include Pakistan in the statement which effectively means blacklisting. His words, go and argue with him.

You should be providing it if you are claiming so!

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

@0.21-0.22 of this 27 second video he says blacklist. I hope it doesn't get to that. The required measures are good for Pakistan and the whole region.

He said "could include" being placed on the blacklist he never said definitely "would" be placed on the blacklist as indians are alluding too. Therefore more disinformation.........

 

[Thamizh Puli]

He said "could include" being placed on the blacklist he never said definitely "would" be placed on the blacklist as indians are alluding too. Therefore more disinformation.........

sure. so you did hear 'blacklist'.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

sure. so you did hear 'blacklist'.

Didn't hear that Pakistan is definitely going to be placed on the blacklist as per indian claims.

 

[Thamizh Puli]

Didn't hear that Pakistan is definitely going to be placed on the blacklist as per indian claims.

don't know about Indian claims but sure it is not a definite - the whole purpose of the extra time is to provide ample opportunity to get/let Pakistan do the necessary legislative and executive changes to stop terror financing and m.l. If that's done no question of blacklisting and in fact IMO if even 1/2 of the mandate is complied with, Pakistan can make a case for exiting greylisting. From what I have seen of how Sri Lanka did it, it is not at all difficult - just a question of honest intent and application.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

don't know about Indian claims but sure it is not a definite - the whole purpose of the extra time is to provide ample opportunity to get/let Pakistan do the necessary legislative and executive changes to stop terror financing and m.l. If that's done no question of blacklisting and in fact IMO if even 1/2 of the mandate is complied with, Pakistan can make a case for exiting greylisting. From what I have seen of how Sri Lanka did it, it is not at all difficult - just a question of honest intent and application.

Have no idea why those who belong to the race and nation that calls for the death and destruction of the Pakistani race and nation are so concerned with our financial situations............

 

[Thamizh Puli]

Have no idea why those who belong to the race and nation that calls for the death and destruction of the Pakistani race and nation are so concerned with our financial situations............

donno who you have in mind. I'm from India originally and have a great interest, not so much in Pak's financial situation but Pak complying with FATF requirements. Pak in grey or black list would indicate serious occurrence of terror funding which is not good for Indian health!

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

donno who you have in mind. I'm from India originally and have a great interest, not so much in Pak's financial situation but Pak complying with FATF requirements. Pak in grey or black list would indicate serious occurrence of terror funding which is not good for Indian health!

What terror has Pakistan caused in india? Please provide the evidence by posting the links here. Credible links only.

 

[Thamizh Puli]

What terror has Pakistan caused in india? Please provide the evidence by posting the links here. Credible links only.

why? if you haven't accepted what the Indian, American governments and even some Pakistani leaders have said in the past on Pakistan's terror sponsorship, how would you accept anything anyone else can provide? It will just lead to more fruitless arguments. The very FATF grey listing of Pakistan is sufficient evidence for me.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

why? if you haven't accepted what the Indian, American governments and even some Pakistani leaders have said in the past on Pakistan's terror sponsorship, how would you accept anything anyone else can provide? It will just lead to more fruitless arguments. The very FATF grey listing of Pakistan is sufficient evidence for me.

Okay. So post a link to evidence which proves it. The Americans also claimed that the Iraqis had WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins. Am I suppose to believe that too?

 

[Xestan]

There are three key messages that came out for Pakistan from the FATF’s recently concluded session. Firstly, there is not much time left for us and unless we make substantial changes in our anti-money laundering and combating the financing of terrorism (AML/CFT) regime, we are facing a serious risk of being blacklisted. Secondly, there is a large disconnect between what we have been claiming in media versus what has actually been happening on the ground and lastly, the diplomatic space for Pakistan to dodge the blacklist is shrinking fast.



The tone of FATF’s official statement couldn’t have been any clearer. It stated that “all deadlines in the action plan have now expired and Pakistan has only largely addressed five of 27 action items”. It also warned that without significant progress across the “full range of the agreed action plan”, Pakistan could be blacklisted. The next deadline is due in February, which gives Pakistan hardly four months for what it hasn’t been able to achieve in 15 months.

Interestingly, FATF’s statement is in stark contrast with the messages that recently came out of the government quarters, creating an impression that Pakistan was on the right trajectory to get out of the grey list. This couldn’t, however, be any farther from the truth. Although the government never released the agreed action plan or the progress against it, the successive FATF statements publicly acknowledged progress on only two counts — operationalising the integrated database for Pakistan’s currency declaration regime and revision of the ML/TF risk assessment. Out of the 10 objectives of the action plan, these relate to only the first objective and that too partially. Progress against the rest of the nine objectives remains unclear.




This shows that besides performance gaps, there are also serious issues of either miscommunication by the government or its flawed understanding of the FATF action plan. Similar concerns about the lack of disclosure have also been raised earlier. The national risk assessment (NRA) report was never made public, despite the fact that such assessments are routinely disclosed by other countries. Recently released Pakistan’s Mutual Evaluation Report highlighted that while the NRA was shared with key law enforcement agencies, it was not even shared with the private sector, with the exception of banks that were given some presentations. This was despite the fact that one of FATF’s main concerns is poor understanding of the ML/TF risks within the private sector. If the government brings out this information in the public domain, not only will it create awareness in the private sector but also reduce rumor-mongering by the Indian media and would ensure public oversight and pressure to support requisite changes.

Then comes the diplomatic frontier. Within the FATF, a total of three votes are needed to avoid backlisting and Pakistan has been relying on China, Turkey, and Malaysia to dodge the blacklist so far. But a significant shift in FATF’s tone clearly indicates that the diplomatic space is shrinking. Reportedly, Pakistan has also been informed by a few allies that the diplomatic shield won’t last long without actual progress on the ground. This essentially means that if we fail to demonstrate significant progress, some of our allies may be turning their backs on us.

There is no time to talk now. Instead, we need to strengthen core institutions like the Financial Monitoring Unit, regulators and law-enforcement agencies; provide training to relevant private sector entities; and most importantly push the pedal to the metal on enforcement, seizures, case registration, investigations, prosecutions, and convictions in cases of money laundering and terrorism financing. If we can show some serious performance in the next three to four months, we might have a chance to thwart off this threat, or else we could slip from the edge.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 22nd, 2019.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2084367/6/