Pakistan to purchase latest fighter planes, submarines: Tanveer

[Basel]

@orangzaib here is another link which shows that Investment is coming from Qatar in upcoming years, so your logic of economy getting better allowing Pakistan to purchase high end weapons seems to becoming true.

Qatar to invest billions of dollars in Pakistan

My reaction when I read this was same as @Irfan Baloch 's in this post.

Z-10 or T-129 Atak for the Pakistan Army? | Page 38

Dear Su-30 or 35s may join PAF if Russia is willing to sell them and PAF is satisfied with them, I have said this previously on PDF and many Indian member laughed at me, "there is a reason PAF has placed its pilots in China and they are flying their Su-30s".

For T-129 PAA pilots like it over Mi-28, i have posted twitter chat with a PAA pilot please see that.

 

[A.Rafay]

meant attack helos

Three different news sites are reporting "fighter planes from Russia", if one site got it wrong, how can all three get it wrong?
Pakistan looks to boost military export with revamped JF-17 | Pakistan Today
Pakistan to purchase latest fighter planes, submarines: Tanveer
پاکستان روس سے جدید لڑاکا طیارے اور چین سے آبدوزیں خریدے گا، وزیربرائے دفاعی پیداوار – ایکسپریسس اردو

 

[Viper0011.]

@orangzaib here is another link which shows that Investment is coming from Qatar in upcoming years, so your logic of economy getting better allowing Pakistan to purchase high end weapons seems to becoming true.

Qatar to invest billions of dollars in Pakistan

I never write B.S. I know my sources and I provide the true content as it is, without prejudice or per-conceived notion. I'd like to see Pakistan becoming a stronger, more tolerant, democratic and a growing economy.

You have $ 35 Billion from China committed. It'll go up to $ 50-60 billion within the next 3-4 years, granted the current government stays in power (there is a reason why IK and a few others want to derail it so this massive economic activity won't take place).

Then, you have about $ 5 - 10 billion planned by Russians within the next 3-5 years. They'll invest $ 2 billion within the next 12 months for Pakistan's steal mill and electric production / oil pipeline. They want Pakistan as one of their oil and gas customers as they are hurting from the Western world right now on oil and gas's side.

Then you have Qatar and Saudia - estimated $ 5-8 billion focused on Real Estate stuff in Pakistan over the next 3 or so years and this amount will increase as they'll gain more confidence.

Then you have the US, Europe and others with a few billions also, some of this is in the shape of ongoing infrastructure projects.

So you have about $ 75 - 85 billion (estimated) investments in the pipeline. Add local businessmen from Pakistan and some from India.....so Pakistan is ALL SET to go on an economic boom. IF the current government remains in power and finished terms. Otherwise, good luck!!! Beauty of democracy is right here, 5 years of work can produce $ 80 billion worth of investments!

 

[Basel]

@orangzaib so what you think will Pakistan go for Su-30 (Russian equivalent version of MKI) or Su-35 or Russia will push Mig-35s with TOT? Although PAF need Su-35 at least 03 squadrons to handle IAF until 5th gen arrived to them.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

About 2 Months ago PAF have tested Su35 with a delegation of 16...

not sure about that they are talking about Su35 or something else

must be Mi35 . Su35 doesn't suit our PAF doctrine (no twin engine fighters)
and is front line Russian fighter which we cant buy anyway

Minister says Kashmir, Palestine issues prerequisite for durable peace

SHEIKHUPURA – Pakistan will purchase latest fighter planes from Russia and submarines from China to further strengthen its defence.

This was stated by Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain while talking to journalists in Sheikhupura. He said that Pakistan Army is fighting against terrorism and defending Pakistan. The minister said Pakistan wanted good relations with neighbouring countries, including India.

He said resolution of the Kashmir and Palestine issues is a prerequisite for durable peace and stability. He said that the government is determined to eliminate terrorism.

Pakistan to purchase latest fighter planes, submarines: Tanveer

I agree with his comments for conflict resolutions but I doubt if he has any clue at all what latest military jet means and what are its details.

 

[Basel]

must be Mi35 . Su35 doesn't suit our PAF doctrine (no twin engine fighters)
and is front line Russian fighter which we cant buy anyway

how you know that Su-35 don't fit in PAF doctrine? it will be big boost for PAF as it will first time allow them to have area defense capability as those fighter can cover large area and stay longer in air with more weapons.

 

[Viper0011.]

@orangzaib so what you think will Pakistan go for Su-30 (Russian equivalent version of MKI) or Su-35 or Russia will push Mig-35s with TOT? Although PAF need Su-35 at least 03 squadrons to handle IAF until 5th gen arrived to them.

No TOT. You'll get overhaul capability over time but TOT won't happen. Plus, Pakistan needs to use JFT and make it 90% equivalent to the -16 block 52 and then JFT block III should be semi stealth. That serves the purpose. For other tiers, you can use the Russians and the US platforms. No need for TOT, as long as you have your own platform and you can advance it how you please.
With economy moving up, the Western countries will start to open up their tech to Pakistan more and more. No one says no to cash. So there will be plenty of options. There was a report I read, it even outlined Pakistan as a potential buyer for JSF around 2022 (of course, watered down export version). So plenty is coming up for Pakistan from a weapons purchase's standpoint.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

how you know that Su-35 don't fit in PAF doctrine? it will be big boost for PAF as it will first time allow them to have area defense capability as those fighter can cover large area and stay longer in air with more weapons.

How do I know? look at the size of that behemoth. PAF runs away from twin engine fighters like a plague
su 35 wont be a BIG BOOST for PAF

it will completely rewrite the PAF war doctrine. among the non stealth aircraft's it is the leading aircraft in the entire world that beats anything the West can bring up apart from F-22. getting it is not just politically impossible, but its purchase price and operational costs are extremely prohibitive.

PAF is already taking a wishful leap of faith by expressing its interest in Chinese twin engine J-31 which is roughly the size of Mig29. lets not push ourselves

look up some old threads and check for yourself why PAF doesnt like twin engine fighters.

we are more geared towards light to medium twin engine multirole fighters . thats HOW I KNOW
if you are still not sure then check with other enthusiasts on this section

 

[Basel]

How do I know? look at the size of that behemoth. PAF runs away from twin engine fighters like a plague
su 35 wont be a BIG BOOST for PAF

it will completely rewrite the PAF war doctrine. among the non stealth aircraft's it is the leading aircraft in the entire world that beats anything the West can bring up apart from F-22. getting it is not just politically impossible, but its purchase price and operational costs are extremely prohibitive.

PAF is already taking a wishful leap of faith by expressing its interest in Chinese twin engine J-31 which is roughly the size of Mig29. lets not push ourselves

look up some old threads and check for yourself why PAF doesnt like twin engine fighters.

we are more geared towards light to medium twin engine multirole fighters . thats HOW I KNOW
if you are still not sure then check with other enthusiasts on this section

PAF was / is not running away from this kind of fighter jets and also they provide the required capabilities along with F-16s & JF-17s, PAF can use them like Israel use their F-15s or PAF had used their F-104s, just imagine a full squardren in Peshawar & Karachi will do in defensive / offensive ops of PAF?? how much boost PAF will get and give to PN? PAF will be able to provide proper cover to PN at long distances putting IN's carrier at risk if they try to block sea lines as Su-35 are better then Mig-29Ks, from Peshawar & Karachi those birds can cover all Pakistan for air defense need of high end jet.

 

[rockstar08]

@orangzaib so what you think will Pakistan go for Su-30 (Russian equivalent version of MKI) or Su-35 or Russia will push Mig-35s with TOT? Although PAF need Su-35 at least 03 squadrons to handle IAF until 5th gen arrived to them.

i dont think PAF will go for su-30 which IAF already mastered .... for now expect no more than mil-35, and few SAM's , for future , maybe Mil-28E

 

[Basel]

i dont think PAF will go for su-30 which IAF already mastered .... for now expect no more than mil-35, and few SAM's , for future , maybe Mil-28E

If Minster for defense production is saying that Pakistan is going for advance jets from Russia then it is very possible that Su-30 or 35 are coming, may be Russia is pitching Mig-35s and PAF will go for them as their pilots are also flying Su-30s in China since years. Yes, India mastered them but it does not mean that we can't have them and we can't master them, remember in defense agreement air force training is also included, what training Russia can give if we don't have any Russian jet??

 

[Viper0011.]

How do I know? look at the size of that behemoth. PAF runs away from twin engine fighters like a plague su 35 wont be a BIG BOOST for PAF

it will completely rewrite the PAF war doctrine. among the non stealth aircraft's it is the leading aircraft in the entire world that beats anything the West can bring up apart from F-22. getting it is not just politically impossible, but its purchase price and operational costs are extremely prohibitive.

You are right. The PAF has realized that it does need to rewrite its doctrine and get a few twin turbine jets. The long term goal is unachievable with so much fire power on India's end. The heavies are needed the most. Plus one squadron in Peshawar can run a third layer of interdiction when the first two fail. That's huge with tremendous firepower in the shape of BVR missiles.
SU-35/37 will present a huge boost to the PAF, specially around Gawader and Karachi area countering the IN. JFT can supplement it with -16's but neither one can really take on the role by themselves.

 

[Basel]

You are right. The PAF has realized that it does need to rewrite its doctrine and get a few twin turbine jets. The long term goal is unachievable with so much fire power on India's end. The heavies are needed the most. Plus one squadron in Peshawar can run a third layer of interdiction when the first two fail. That's huge with tremendous firepower in the shape of BVR missiles.
SU-35/37 will present a huge boost to the PAF, specially around Gawader and Karachi area countering the IN. JFT can supplement it with -16's but neither one can really take on the role by themselves.

on this issue our views are quite similar.

 

[rockstar08]

If Minster for defense production is saying that Pakistan is going for advance jets from Russia then it is very possible that Su-30 or 35 are coming, may be Russia is pitching Mig-35s and PAF will go for them as their pilots are also flying Su-30s in China since years. Yes, India mastered them but it does not mean that we can't have them and we can't master them, remember in defense agreement air force training is also included, what training Russia can give if we don't have any Russian jet??

listen its not that we cant have it , but there is no reason to buy Su-30's when we can have more blk52 F-16s which is equal to Su-30 , a little better in some ways , and PAF loves operating F-16's , and also cant deny the fact for easy maintenance and cheap ...
now think for a second if we buy su-30's today it will definitely cost us $$ a lot of them , ok a little bit less time for training , but we do still have to train our Pilots right ? and hopefully PAF will ask for a updated su-30 according to PAF needs ... possibility ...what we are looking to get a 5th gen platform , there is no reason to add another 4+ gen fighter ,
we have to save $$ for some 5th gen fighter , possibly FC-31

 

[Muhammad Omar]

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