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May be the registering of the protest was the right thing.. But then the vested interests dragged it along for too long.. and what was once a protest of an angered ally, became the blackmail of a dubious one. Worse, the bluff got called and suddenly the bargaining chip did not remain such a good bargain..

I am not sure it was as sinister as "vested interests". In my honest view, this situation was dealt with clumsily by both our people in the government, parliament etc. and the USG also created unnecessary drama. Had an apology at the Secy of State level come right after the incident, it would have been solved.

Secondly, there was no blackmailing. You have to know the facts before you can suggest this. When this issue was taken to the parliament, they asked questions about the impact of this logistic chain on Pakistan's own infrastructure. This is when it was disclosed that roads and the supporting infrastructure over the past 10 years had taken a severe beating. The reaction to this disclosure was that Pakistan needs to be re-imbursed for these damages. A very fair point! Thus the issue of raising the rates came about. The way it was sorted was that the US admin has agreed to pay for the repair of the infrastructure, but not as an increase in per truck/lorry charge. Rather it would be a one time, project-based expense. The Pakistani side agreed and thus the rates were maintained as is.

With transparency, such issue are bound to come up.
 
Good that finally Pakistan is doing what they want to do...not what USA wants them to do...
Pakistan Army knows well how to deal with Terrorists and miscreants...They don't Carpet bomb entire villages..

If USA is annoyed that means the Operation is Humane and not heavy handed,just surgical operation that effects miscreants not civilians..
In the mean time USA's drones remained busy bombing wedding parties and random civilians..
 
The simple fact that terrorists have successfully based in and terrorized Pakistan for over a decade implies that Pakistani generals aren't the sharpest pencils in the box when it comes to lives, time, and resources, yes?

Wow,

Actually it is just the other way around---it was the american generals who scr-ewed it up for every one else. If it was really really about terrorism---then the american military would not have let the al qaeda escape from afghanistan.

If the u s mililitary really was vengeful against Osama---he would not have escaped kabul, kandhar or at tora bora. The u s military coralled the al qaeda in afghanistan and then opened up the route for them to escape into the mountains of pakistan

The deceit of the american military action was evident right from day one---all this talk about taking out the terrorists was all a sham.

The killing of terrorists aka---later on happened by default---even thought he u s lost 3000 on 9/11---still the u s military did not want to avenge their death at the hands of their own troops but rather chose mercenaries.

That showed how dis-illusioned americans had become over the years---here are 3000+ americans dead at the hands of the terrorists and the americans are looking for mercenaries.

Well that has been the story of america in the 90's till now---thew Clinton's---amazingly nobody has confronted them---she the 'ex-president' is the sec of state--he the ex president is enjoying good life---'was she the defacto prsesident when Bill was the president'.

Solomon---it is all due to your screw ups that the world is miserable---let me remind you of an old jewish proverb---maybe you have lived in the u s for too long and forgotten your roots---' a stitch in time saves nine'. Kill a terrorist in time you will save nine.

Another jewish proverb---'if you want to do it right the first tme---you got to do it yourself'----. Dude---seems like you have been away from your roots for too long.

This failure in the war against terrorism is a 110% failure of the american military strategist---unless they intentionally created these situations for some other motives---even that has failed---.

The america can judge everyone any which way it wants---but the history of the world would be brutal to it in the years to come----its failures would be on the front pages of the nations history books but off-course not in the united states---where they willhave the brain washed version of the defeat--oh excuse me---the 'victory'.

Pakistanis and pakistani generals are also not the brightest bulb on the pole----.

A nation as a whole gets into the stupidity of arguing 'who did it'----what a bunch of imbecillic morons---here is an army of hundreds of thousand gathering on your shores to destroy your surrounding neighbourhood and the fools are arguing about who did it---rather than taking out Osama----.

It is the truth---no nation in history has destroyed itself more for something that it did not do---was not a part of it in any way---the cardinal sin---allowing a christian army to land in a muslim nation and kill a million + muslims---where they could have gone in themselves and killed 500 of them and save the christian invasion of a muslim land---.

That is where I will agree the pencils were dull.
 
The simple fact that terrorists have successfully based in and terrorized Pakistan for over a decade implies that Pakistani generals aren't the sharpest pencils in the box when it comes to lives, time, and resources, yes?

Dude it is not a fact, just your personal opinion; and here you are negating your own reasoning in previous posts. It reminds me of, how people change their standards to satisfy egos. The below quote is very suitable to your state of mind:

“The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.” ― William Blake
 
I am not sure it was as sinister as "vested interests". In my honest view, this situation was dealt with clumsily by both our people in the government, parliament etc. and the USG also created unnecessary drama. Had an apology at the Secy of State level come right after the incident, it would have been solved.

Secondly, there was no blackmailing. You have to know the facts before you can suggest this. When this issue was taken to the parliament, they asked questions about the impact of this logistic chain on Pakistan's own infrastructure. This is when it was disclosed that roads and the supporting infrastructure over the past 10 years had taken a severe beating. The reaction to this disclosure was that Pakistan needs to be re-imbursed for these damages. A very fair point! Thus the issue of raising the rates came about. The way it was sorted was that the US admin has agreed to pay for the repair of the infrastructure, but not as an increase in per truck/lorry charge. Rather it would be a one time, project-based expense. The Pakistani side agreed and thus the rates were maintained as is.

With transparency, such issue are bound to come up.

So may be it was not a blackmail from a Pakistani POV, but I was referring to the American perception. As the months dragged along, the clumsy handling by the Pakistani govt (in response to clumsy handing of the incident by the Americans), changed the way they looked at Pakistani protest.. They 1st saw it as a reaction of an ally to a blue on blue.. then that became the motions Pakistan had to go thru due to its local political compulsions... a couple of months down the line, the eyebrows started getting raised and questions on Pakistani ulterior motives came forth..
 
I am not sure it was as sinister as "vested interests". In my honest view, this situation was dealt with clumsily by both our people in the government, parliament etc. and the USG also created unnecessary drama. Had an apology at the Secy of State level come right after the incident, it would have been solved.

Secondly, there was no blackmailing.

sometimes I think such explanations are helpful for the sake for record. I am sure the person you quoted knows too well the absurdness of the use of his word "vested interests". how so? by denying Pakistan the USD proceeds for 7 odd months? I say money because thats pretty much the main theme of all Indian arguments here. we lost money or we went for money..

blackmailing how? one must ask, but then again looking at the commenter one can understand the reason and let it pass. countries sever diplomatic relations on something that serious, the least we could do was stop the transit route, its these same chaps who were reminding us how much money we are loosing everyday...what can you say about the mentality well gods bless chankia ideology, it starts and stops at money so its understandable where they are coming from
 
What got registered was more important than losing out a billion or ten billion, which is scapegoating us and hitting us directly won't work. That was a red line that was crossed and we registered our protest.

Opening the GLOC was the right thing to do, but not before making others pause and realize that Pakistan would take actions within its power, no matter how limited, when it is threatened or attacked.

If economic relief was the only purpose behind the closure, we would have seen the GLOC opened a long time ago. It clearly was not.

no point explaining to a miserable lot of locusts who cant see beyond the end of their noses
 
no point explaining to a miserable lot of locusts who cant see beyond the end of their noses

:lol: here comes the incompetence ;) (Personal attacks and name calling )

what's next .. some new racial terms now that D ot is a masked word ;)

sometimes I think such explanations are helpful for the sake for record. I am sure the person you quoted knows too well the absurdness of the use of his word "vested interests". how so? by denying Pakistan the USD proceeds for 7 odd months? I say money because thats pretty much the main theme of all Indian arguments here. we lost money or we went for money..

blackmailing how? one must ask, but then again looking at the commenter one can understand the reason and let it pass. countries sever diplomatic relations on something that serious, the least we could do was stop the transit route, its these same chaps who were reminding us how much money we are loosing everyday...what can you say about the mentality well gods bless chankia ideology, it starts and stops at money so its understandable where they are coming from

typical tactic of attack the one arguing when you can't respond to the argument.. Meh....
 
For patriotic Pakistanis, yes.. but for politicians on both sides, including Kayani, it was

either you are too cute or you are just taking a piss. let go the money mentality for a moment please, look beyond that. US didnt attack the salala base on request from Kyani. the suspension of the supply was a logical step but we want a closure of the WoT and Afghan issue so sooner or later it was going to be re-opened. there was a lot of bullying and yapping with immediate resumption of the supplies but they found out it wasnt happening.
$ 700 million in 7 months.. upto the nose from a military whose annual budget is $ 700 billion ...Perspective dude...



And didnt they reduce this much amount from the csf due to Pakistan after resumption of the route.. So guess who paid thru the nose.. ;)


Dude your self

its all relative, relative to what they were paying us, and as far as their annual budget is concerned its irrelevant because in the current times the US financial house is squeaking with strain, dont take my word for it, look up all the interviews and the articles where they were weeping and mourning over the "betrayal" of Pakistan by blocking the route and they having to pay many fold for the alternate routes. all of those blowhard articles had the key word "extra money having to be paid due to the blockade"

you last sentence is hilarious .. why dont you think before you write? lol
CSF is separate from the transit fee genius, you dont "fund" or "aid" your energy supplier by paying your bill, you are just paying your bill. CSF was meant for part economic development in FATA and part for the military operations to support NATO fighting AQ and Taliban.

why do you think we didnt go for North Waziristan operation then? :D

and what the fck do you mean by half a$$ non apology? please dont invent self contradictory words. what Pakistan got was the best what a weaker country can get from the sole super power of the world who since the attack and the blockade.
their hawks were demanding immediate resumption without your half a$$.
 
So...after all the argueing...the point seems it is not in Pakistan's interest to control their own nation...
 
no point explaining to a miserable lot of locusts who cant see beyond the end of their noses

Hi,

They are playing a game---they keep attacking you----that is why you got to attack back in kind----. But the problem with paks is that they will rather make a 'nasty face' ( moonh bisorte hein ) than think and act in kind.

The secret in retorting back is not to show hate and anger---but to show disappointment at the failures and deception of the u s military----thru charts and maps---. There have to be visuals displayed on the tv screen---. It does not have to be a general or a politicians but a knowledgeable person who can talk nicely and politely without anger---not downgrading the u s or being insulting---but just showing the deceit.

Can you people do that---do you have the capability and comprehension---. Truthfully---I don't think so---. It really is a tragedy that the nation that has become the victim and has suffered the most---cannot even tell its story in a convincing manner.
 
I personaly don't see the problem. If Pakistanis are fine living in a terrorist ridden country...let'em.
 
The simple fact that terrorists have successfully based in and terrorized Pakistan for over a decade implies that Pakistani generals aren't the sharpest pencils in the box when it comes to lives, time, and resources, yes?
To be fair to Pakistani establishment, I think the reasons for not going into NWA in 2010 were much simpler. Kayani wants another term of office. If he starts an operation in the third year of his extended three year term, it is easier to get another extension. When the military tells the civilian government that their forces are 'stretched thin' and advises against an operation, no government will order its army to go in. More so with Pakistan where the government does not exactly 'order' its army. It has been easy for the army to postpone the operation because anytime someone says we need an operation in NWA, they can be labelled as a US agent.
 
I personaly don't see the problem. If Pakistanis are fine living in a terrorist ridden country...let'em.

the best day in history of Pakistan will be when USA leaves us alone
 
Hi,

They are playing a game---they keep attacking you----that is why you got to attack back in kind----. But the problem with paks is that they will rather make a 'nasty face' ( moonh bisorte hein ) than think and act in kind.

The secret in retorting back is not to show hate and anger---but to show disappointment at the failures and deception of the u s military----thru charts and maps---. There have to be visuals displayed on the tv screen---. It does not have to be a general or a politicians but a knowledgeable person who can talk nicely and politely without anger---not downgrading the u s or being insulting---but just showing the deceit.

Can you people do that---do you have the capability and comprehension---. Truthfully---I don't think so---. It really is a tragedy that the nation that has become the victim and has suffered the most---cannot even tell its story in a convincing manner.

oh i wasnt referring to the americans
 
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