Pakistan to get US TOW 2A guided missiles

[Awesome]

How would RF jamming work on wired systems?

Signals being passed through a cable won't be affected by any sort of noise in the airwaves.

 

[blain2]

How would RF jamming work on wired systems?

Signals being passed through a cable won't be affected by any sort of noise in the airwaves.

TOW 2A/2B are not wired (more specifically, the ones PA is getting are not wired).

 

[A.Rahman]

How would RF jamming work on wired systems?

Signals being passed through a cable won't be affected by any sort of noise in the airwaves.

The missile is fitted with a high intensity thermal beacon, which provides a long-wave infrared tracking source and a xenon beacon for short-wave tracking.

This dual-tracking system provides increased resistance to electro-optical and infrared countermeasures.

 

[Keysersoze]

But how are mid-course corrections sent? If it is via a RF signal then that surely will be vunerable to counter measures?

 

[TomCat111]

But how are mid-course corrections sent? If it is via a RF signal then that surely will be vunerable to counter measures?

Let me highlight what Rahman explained. Maybe it will make more sense this way.......

The missile is fitted with a high intensity thermal beacon, which provides a long-wave infrared tracking source and a xenon beacon for short-wave tracking.

This dual-tracking system provides increased resistance to electro-optical and infrared countermeasures.

 

[Keysersoze]

Well since it is fitted to the MISSILE as you so kindly pointed out. And the Item fitted is a BEACON not a receiver. How are the signals from the launch unit sent for MID COURSE CORRECTIONS not TRACKING THE MISSILE. If you check the WIRE GUIDED version has the same BEACONS.We are discussing the RF variant.

Hopefully that will help you in your future Trolling attempts

 

[Keysersoze]

Oh and to aid you further here is a helpful document from Raytheon. Don't worry it has big pictures

http://www.raytheon.com/products/stellent/groups/public/documents/content/cms04_014915.pdf

 

[TomCat111]

Don't worry it has big pictures

While some learn from the pictures others by reading, you learn from neither.


It appears most of us had been wrong about the classification of the missile. According to Raytheon, the RF link TOWs are supposed to be TOW 2B and NOT TOW 2A.

TOW 2B

The Raytheon TOW 2B is a fifth-generation missile. TOW 2B features a dual-mode sensor and an armament section equipped with two warheads substantially different from those used in other TOW versions. Earlier TOWs are direct-attack missiles with nose-mounted warheads that fire forward. The TOW 2B is designed to fly over the top of the tank and destroy it from bove, where it is less heavily armored, by simultaneously detonating the missile’s two Explosively Formed Penetrator (EFP) warheads downward. The fly-over shoot-down flight profile permits the attack of targets in defilade, protected by berms or other fortifications. TOW 2B resembles the TOW 2A, with a 6-inch diameter warhead section in front, but without the standoff probe.

New TOW Variants
TOW 2B Aero
TOW 2B Aero was designed and successfully demonstrated to be effective to a range of 4.5 km. The extended range of the TOW 2B Aero is accomplished with two minor modifications to the TOW 2B. First, more wire is added to accommodate the command guidance to the extended range. Second, an aerodynamic nose has been added to the front of the missile to improve aerodynamic performance. The new aerodynamic feature ensures stable controllable flight to 4.5 km while using the current propulsion system. The TOW 2B Aero with its longer range and faster time to target increases battlespace allowing commanders the ability to better shape the battlefield. TOW 2B Aero began initial production in 2005.

Future Developments in RF Link
As part of the TOW family of missiles, the TOW 2B Aero has already begun to evolve into an RF Command Data Link Missile. RF Link replaces the legacy wire-guidance and provides the following improvements:
• Greater reliability
• Enhanced over water performance
• Environmental
• No power line restrictions
• Enhanced combined arms applications in urban environments
• Performance to longer ranges

The Wireless RF Command Data Link TOW 2B Aero is on schedule to complete qualification testing in 2006. The RF TOW missile design has an RF transmitter incorporated into the missile case and an RF receiver integrated into the missile electronics. The U.S. Army has scheduled procurement for Wireless TOW 2B Aero Missiles in 2007–2009. Since no launcher modifications are required, the TOW customer’s transition to wireless is transparent...

 

[Keysersoze]

While some learn from the pictures others by reading, you learn from neither.


It appears most of us had been wrong about the classification of the missile. According to Raytheon, the RF link TOWs are supposed to be TOW 2B and NOT TOW 2A.

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well it appears everyone was right.....

The sale was for TOW2A missiles not TOW2b....

Please find the attached link to the Defense security co-operation agency. It clearly states the type of missile being sold.

http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2007/Pakistan_07-02.pdf

Try reading and learning from that

 

[TomCat111]

well it appears everyone was right.....

The sale was for TOW2A missiles not TOW2b....

Please find the attached link to the Defense security co-operation agency. It clearly states the type of missile being sold.

http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2007/Pakistan_07-02.pdf

Sweetie pie, stop unnecessarily embarrassing yourself. In case you didn’t notice or can’t remember, I was the first one to post the news in these forums from the link that you just discovered.

Pakistan – TOW-2A Anti-Armor Guided Missiles

Either the notification misclassified the version, or the Raytheon doesn’t know what their classifications are. Because According to Raytheon, the RF link TOWs are supposed to be only the TOW 2B and NOT TOW 2A.

Try reading and learning from that

You know.... sometimes you can be so prophetic to have read your own simple mind.......

 

[blain2]

Guys,

I know both of you mean well so lets not get bogged down with other stuff.

So let me clarify...TOW-2A, 2B and TOW Bunker Buster variants are all being produced in RF mode by Raytheon. The ones PA is getting are the RF ones (and not the wired ones).

For ref, the US Army is also placing orders for the RF ones:
http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2402087.php

So the DSCA release actually talks about PA ordering the "wireless" RF versions of TOW-2A, TOW BBs and also upgrading the TOW launchers in the existing inventory to fire both wired and RF versions of the TOW.

Hope this helps.

 

[Keysersoze]

Ah so it looks like they WILL be getting the TOW2A (RF) after all Thanks Blain.
Looks like the other "claims" were incorrect

Now what was that about someone embarrassing themselves??????

 

[TomCat111]

Guys,

I know both of you mean well so lets not get bogged down with other stuff.

So let me clarify...TOW-2A, 2B and TOW Bunker Buster variants are all being produced in RF mode by Raytheon. The ones PA is getting are the RF ones (and not the wired ones).

For ref, the US Army is also placing orders for the RF ones:
http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2402087.php

So the DSCA release actually talks about PA ordering the "wireless" RF versions of TOW-2A, TOW BBs and also upgrading the TOW launchers in the existing inventory to fire both wired and RF versions of the TOW.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for setting the record straight. I stand corrected.

 

[Keysersoze]

Back to the thread...........

It's interesting to note that PAK purchased 2000 TOW2A missiles in 2004. But the Upgrades for the launchers in 2006. Does anyone know what standard the AH-1 TOW launchers are?

http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/no...ak&descin=&date1in=1992&date2in=2006&typein=%

 

[blain2]

Back to the thread...........

It's interesting to note that PAK purchased 2000 TOW2A missiles in 2004. But the Upgrades for the launchers in 2006. Does anyone know what standard the AH-1 TOW launchers are?

http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/no...ak&descin=&date1in=1992&date2in=2006&typein=%

The earlier version of TOW was wired (the ones bought in 2004). They would require re-tooling now to be able to be used with the RF and non-RF ones.

My own take is that the number of TOW launchers mentioned (121) would include the TOW launchers on the AH-1Fs as well as those mounted on wheeled and tracked (M901) vehicles. Pretty much the entire PA inventory of TOW is getting upgraded.

The only thing that would offset the above guess is if the number of Cobras has gone beyond the initial 18-20 (there are many indications that PA has taken delivery of additional Cobras).