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Pakistan Air Defence Ground Environment System
Pakistan has made major improvements in its early warning/command and control capability over the last ten years. The Hughes Corporation was responsible for the integration and automation of the whole system. The Pakistan ADGES programme was begun in 1977 and is referred to as the "Pakistan Air defence System 77" (PADS 77), at least till 1987. It was estimated to cost $120 million of which half went for infrastructure and half for six TPS-43G radars which form its basis.
Pakistan Air Defence Command was formed in 1975. It is based at Chaklala and exercises surveillance, control, and coordination of all Pakistan airspace. The HQ is built underground, to a depth of somewhere 5 to 10 meters. It has four rows of consoles with about 25-20 men operating them. All aircraft and airbases are represented on the screens, including one that coordinates all output from the consoles. It has been reported as 'the most modern ever seen' by a visiting western air official.
Subordinate to it are four Sector Operations Center, and subordinate to the SOCs are seven Control and Reporting centers. The sectors with their headquarters are:
North: Peshawar West: Quetta Center: Sargodha South: Karachi
There are 8 separate identified radar systems netted into the PAF air defence system. Of these, five are long-range systems and the remainder low-level.
Long Range Radar Systems
FPS-89/100: There are two installations, at Sakesar near Sargodha and Badin in the Thar desert. They are modernized versions of the US-supplied MAP radar, the FPS-6/20. The former is the height-finder, the latter is the search radar with a 350 km range. Sakesar also has a Plessey HF-200 height-finder acquired in 1967. Badin's FPS-6 was destroyed in the 1965 war and was replaced with a Chinese height- finder.
Type 514: This is a Chinese system first acquired in 1978. It is known to be installed at Skardu and Gilgit in the Northern areas and at other locations. No other details are available.
Condor: The high-level system was acquired from the UK in 1968 and serves with Nos. 400, 403 and 410 Squadrons.
TPS-43G: This transportable radar is expected to remain in first line US service till 2010. Pakistan purchased sis systems at a cost of $60 million and all were commissioned by 1985. It consists of two modules, each less than 3 tons, and can be transported by two 5-ton trucks, a C-130, or two medium-lift helicopters. A six-man team can reassemble the radar within 50 minutes. It's high-level range is 400 km, but its low-level range is classified. It is a 3D system with a 4 megawatt output. The system was the second phase of Project Crystal initiated in 1976 to provide Pakistan with a modern air defence system.
Thomson-CSF ATC: As far back as 1984 the Pakistan Government planned a modern Air Traffic Control System that could be netted into its ADGE. Possibly owing to financial stringency, the six radar started arriving only in 1987. The Pakistani ATC radar are at Pasni, Jiawani, Karachi, Rahim Yar Khan, Lahore and Rawalpindi. Though the locations correspond strictly to Pakistan's growing civil air traffic routes, they are ideally placed to boost early warning from the Indian frontier.
It is of interest that in 1969 two Soviet P.35 high-level radar are PRV height-finders were installed, being decommissioned in 1979 owing to maintenance and spares difficulties.
Low Level Radar Systems
AR-1/6 Radar: In 1968-69 six AR-1 Plessey low level radars were installed, followed by 3 of the mobile versions, called AR-15. The range is about 150 km.
MPDR: very major investment was made between 1979-80 in 45 Mobile Pulse Doppler Radars acquired from Siemens of Germany. These are called the SILLACS MPDR 45/E. SILLACS stand for Siemens Low Level Air Defence Control System. They are controlled from six Control and Reporting Centers which are also mobile, and correspond presumably the PAF's six MPDR wings.
Each CRC can control up to 8 radars; the CRC is data-linked to the Sector Operations Center. According to Janes Weapons System 1987-88 edition, there are two fully mobile versions one with 45km range another with 60 km. There is a third version, transportable, with a 90 km range. The first two are single vehicle system with a radar mast extendable to 18 meters and a shelter for the operating crew. The CRC is in two units, a shelter with 4 workstations and two assistant's positions and power generators on trailers.
The MPDR project was the first phase of Project Crystal.
US Low Level Systems
Pakistan has been buying US-low level systems, probably the TPS-63 or 70 or both. One such buy for four low-level air defence radars was identified in a march 1990 list to the US Congress.
It may be noted that Pakistan has the capability to completely overhaul all radars except the Chinese type 514s and possibly the US TPS-43.
http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/surv/adges.html
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Some facts about Pakistan Air Defence.
Pakistan has made major improvements in its early warning/command and control capability over the last ten years. The Hughes Corporation was responsible for the integration and automation of the whole system. The Pakistan ADGES programme was begun in 1977 and is referred to as the "Pakistan Air defence System 77" (PADS 77), at least till 1987. It was estimated to cost $120 million of which half went for infrastructure and half for six TPS-43G radars which form its basis.
Pakistan Air Defence Command was formed in 1975. It is based at Chaklala and exercises surveillance, control, and coordination of all Pakistan airspace. The HQ is built underground, to a depth of somewhere 5 to 10 meters. It has four rows of consoles with about 25-20 men operating them. All aircraft and airbases are represented on the screens, including one that coordinates all output from the consoles. It has been reported as 'the most modern ever seen' by a visiting western air official.
Subordinate to it are four Sector Operations Center, and subordinate to the SOCs are seven Control and Reporting centers. The sectors with their headquarters are:
North: Peshawar West: Quetta Center: Sargodha South: Karachi
There are 8 separate identified radar systems netted into the PAF air defence system. Of these, five are long-range systems and the remainder low-level.
Long Range Radar Systems
FPS-89/100: There are two installations, at Sakesar near Sargodha and Badin in the Thar desert. They are modernized versions of the US-supplied MAP radar, the FPS-6/20. The former is the height-finder, the latter is the search radar with a 350 km range. Sakesar also has a Plessey HF-200 height-finder acquired in 1967. Badin's FPS-6 was destroyed in the 1965 war and was replaced with a Chinese height- finder.
Type 514: This is a Chinese system first acquired in 1978. It is known to be installed at Skardu and Gilgit in the Northern areas and at other locations. No other details are available.
Condor: The high-level system was acquired from the UK in 1968 and serves with Nos. 400, 403 and 410 Squadrons.
TPS-43G: This transportable radar is expected to remain in first line US service till 2010. Pakistan purchased sis systems at a cost of $60 million and all were commissioned by 1985. It consists of two modules, each less than 3 tons, and can be transported by two 5-ton trucks, a C-130, or two medium-lift helicopters. A six-man team can reassemble the radar within 50 minutes. It's high-level range is 400 km, but its low-level range is classified. It is a 3D system with a 4 megawatt output. The system was the second phase of Project Crystal initiated in 1976 to provide Pakistan with a modern air defence system.
Thomson-CSF ATC: As far back as 1984 the Pakistan Government planned a modern Air Traffic Control System that could be netted into its ADGE. Possibly owing to financial stringency, the six radar started arriving only in 1987. The Pakistani ATC radar are at Pasni, Jiawani, Karachi, Rahim Yar Khan, Lahore and Rawalpindi. Though the locations correspond strictly to Pakistan's growing civil air traffic routes, they are ideally placed to boost early warning from the Indian frontier.
It is of interest that in 1969 two Soviet P.35 high-level radar are PRV height-finders were installed, being decommissioned in 1979 owing to maintenance and spares difficulties.
Low Level Radar Systems
AR-1/6 Radar: In 1968-69 six AR-1 Plessey low level radars were installed, followed by 3 of the mobile versions, called AR-15. The range is about 150 km.
MPDR: very major investment was made between 1979-80 in 45 Mobile Pulse Doppler Radars acquired from Siemens of Germany. These are called the SILLACS MPDR 45/E. SILLACS stand for Siemens Low Level Air Defence Control System. They are controlled from six Control and Reporting Centers which are also mobile, and correspond presumably the PAF's six MPDR wings.
Each CRC can control up to 8 radars; the CRC is data-linked to the Sector Operations Center. According to Janes Weapons System 1987-88 edition, there are two fully mobile versions one with 45km range another with 60 km. There is a third version, transportable, with a 90 km range. The first two are single vehicle system with a radar mast extendable to 18 meters and a shelter for the operating crew. The CRC is in two units, a shelter with 4 workstations and two assistant's positions and power generators on trailers.
The MPDR project was the first phase of Project Crystal.
US Low Level Systems
Pakistan has been buying US-low level systems, probably the TPS-63 or 70 or both. One such buy for four low-level air defence radars was identified in a march 1990 list to the US Congress.
It may be noted that Pakistan has the capability to completely overhaul all radars except the Chinese type 514s and possibly the US TPS-43.
http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/surv/adges.html
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Some facts about Pakistan Air Defence.
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Army receives Air Defence Missile Carriers
ISLAMABAD: Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC) General Ehsan Ul Haq said on Friday that strengthening the countryâs national defence was a government priority.
Speaking at the handing-over ceremony of indigenously built Air Defence Missile Carriers to regiments of the Pakistan Army at the Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT), Gen Ehsan said that the government was focusing on the operational preparedness of the armed forces, of which the Armed Forces Development Plan (AFDP) was a component. Rapid mobility, armoured protection and integral air defence elements were central to modernising the Pakistan Army, he added. The CJSCS said that the unveiling of the air defence missile carriers represented yet another milestone in Pakistanâs indigenous weaponsâ capability and would further strengthen the countryâs air defence. Earlier, in his welcome address, HIT Chairman Lt Gen Israr Ahmed Ghumman said that HIT was meeting the Pakistan Armyâs entire tracked vehicle requirements. app
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\12\02\story_2-12-2006_pg7_20
ISLAMABAD: Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC) General Ehsan Ul Haq said on Friday that strengthening the countryâs national defence was a government priority.
Speaking at the handing-over ceremony of indigenously built Air Defence Missile Carriers to regiments of the Pakistan Army at the Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT), Gen Ehsan said that the government was focusing on the operational preparedness of the armed forces, of which the Armed Forces Development Plan (AFDP) was a component. Rapid mobility, armoured protection and integral air defence elements were central to modernising the Pakistan Army, he added. The CJSCS said that the unveiling of the air defence missile carriers represented yet another milestone in Pakistanâs indigenous weaponsâ capability and would further strengthen the countryâs air defence. Earlier, in his welcome address, HIT Chairman Lt Gen Israr Ahmed Ghumman said that HIT was meeting the Pakistan Armyâs entire tracked vehicle requirements. app
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\12\02\story_2-12-2006_pg7_20
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Dude that listed capabilities article is somewhat dated now. There have been a number of newer purchases in terms of radar systems....I will post them in my next post
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6 x Aerostat L-88 radars
6 x AN/TPS-77 radars
A newer air traffic control radar
Plus I am sure there are probably some Chinese systems out there that are not listed on the DSCA website (for obvious reasons
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6 x AN/TPS-77 radars
A newer air traffic control radar
Plus I am sure there are probably some Chinese systems out there that are not listed on the DSCA website (for obvious reasons
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Keys,
I said some fact, do you know any details of the Air defence carriers and what there implications are? What is the system developed all about is this the awaited ANZA 3 system?
Keys,
I said some fact, do you know any details of the Air defence carriers and what there implications are? What is the system developed all about is this the awaited ANZA 3 system?
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Well this is a area where Blain would have a little more knowledge but I am assuming it is going to be a M-113 with RBS-70's mounted (there is picture somewhere on here) It would improve air defence for the mobile forces.
The ANZA 3 is rumoured to be a longer range version of the series. it is supposed to have a 15 km range with improved seeker head.
So far what i think about our air defence system is that it could be improved. However, in the area of mobile defence and short-range air defence we have improved vastly. They would be a direct threat to any air support that Indian troops will recieve. Helicopters and low flying aircrafts being most likely the case. During the PAF and IAF exchange. PAF will not let IAF fighters to be on the top, while IAF will have to do the same.
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Pak-China air defence academies collaboration discussed
BEIJING ( 2007-05-01 18:03:07 ) :
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC) General Ehsan Ul Haq held discussion for joint collaboration between Henan Air Defence Command Academy and Pakistan Air Defence Command College.
The talks on joint collaboration were held during General Ehsan Ul Haq visit to the Academy where he also got training as training officer.
The Chairman, JCSC on the occasion also attended a briefing given by the Commandant of the Academy.
Speaking on the occasion, General Haq expressed satisfaction over the ongoing military to military co-operation between the two countries. General Ehsan said that he was delighted to be here as he got training as training officer in 1975.
He said that his visit has also provided him an opportunity to revive his old memories and association with the Academy and highly praised the training being imparted there.
The CJCSC on Monday visited the F-22 Frigate project in Shanghai, and expressed satisfaction over the progress of the first Frigate being built for Pakistan.
The chairman, JCSC was informed that the building process of Frigate is going on as per schedule and will be delivered to Pakistan in 2008. He was informed that this project was biggest between China and Pakistan Navy.
General Ehsan also visited Shanghai Institute of International Studies and during his meeting with the president and scholars of the institute, he said that Pakistan-China partnership was critical to ensure peace, security and stability in Asia.
He also briefed the think tanks of the institute about Pakistan's point of view and role in international and regional affairs.
http://www.aaj.tv/news/news.php?pg=3&show=detail&nid=64735
BEIJING ( 2007-05-01 18:03:07 ) :
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC) General Ehsan Ul Haq held discussion for joint collaboration between Henan Air Defence Command Academy and Pakistan Air Defence Command College.
The talks on joint collaboration were held during General Ehsan Ul Haq visit to the Academy where he also got training as training officer.
The Chairman, JCSC on the occasion also attended a briefing given by the Commandant of the Academy.
Speaking on the occasion, General Haq expressed satisfaction over the ongoing military to military co-operation between the two countries. General Ehsan said that he was delighted to be here as he got training as training officer in 1975.
He said that his visit has also provided him an opportunity to revive his old memories and association with the Academy and highly praised the training being imparted there.
The CJCSC on Monday visited the F-22 Frigate project in Shanghai, and expressed satisfaction over the progress of the first Frigate being built for Pakistan.
The chairman, JCSC was informed that the building process of Frigate is going on as per schedule and will be delivered to Pakistan in 2008. He was informed that this project was biggest between China and Pakistan Navy.
General Ehsan also visited Shanghai Institute of International Studies and during his meeting with the president and scholars of the institute, he said that Pakistan-China partnership was critical to ensure peace, security and stability in Asia.
He also briefed the think tanks of the institute about Pakistan's point of view and role in international and regional affairs.
http://www.aaj.tv/news/news.php?pg=3&show=detail&nid=64735
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The Chinese - Pakistan relationship seems to be deep and solid. This must be because of their comman love for India.
Its hard for the western world to understand how a deeply religious country like Pakistan is buddies with an atheist country like China.
But all said and done China has been better than USA as far as long term friendship is concerned.
Its hard for the western world to understand how a deeply religious country like Pakistan is buddies with an atheist country like China.
But all said and done China has been better than USA as far as long term friendship is concerned.
The answer is Realpilotik. India and israelare close because of their comon love for muslims right?
Nobody seems to have problems with that other than some of our neighbors. Geo-politics isn't based on religious alliance but on comon interests.
And for your kind information Pakistan is not a deeply religious country, its rather a moderate society.
Finally we agree on something.
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Actually we agree on everything.
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The answer is Realpilotik. India and israelare close because of their comon love for muslims right?
I said it with a tinge of sarcasm but all over the world its taken for granted that enemies enemies always make good friends. On a serious note the Pakistani leadership both civil and military have built deep relationship with China and thats good for Pakistan as the growing Chinese economy is going to be beneficial to Pakistan.
Nobody seems to have problems with that other than some of our neighbors. Geo-politics isn't based on religious alliance but on comon interests.
And for your kind information Pakistan is not a deeply religious country, its rather a moderate society.
I know pakistan is a very moderate society as I have had some good interactions with Pakistanis while serving on a tanker ship. I call Pakistan a deeply religious country not because of trying to put it down but because I admire that in all of lifes burdens most Pakistanis take the time to pray as per their beliefs in the most hostile situations. imagine praying on a super tanker in sea state 5. initially i found it amusing and then i realised that it actually was a way of life for most Pakistanis and hence I admire it.
Finally we agree on something.
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The answer is Realpilotik. India and israelare close because of their comon love for muslims right?
No lady love, you muslims arent that important, that you are present in every conspiracy theory and everytime when the world chugs it has something to do with you guys, it doesnt....
India is a secular country, which supports both Israel and Palestine. Ever wondered why all palestine's leaders supports india; wonder why they do for a "anti" muslim india..
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Yes, muslims are the centre point of Israeli policies. As they have started the enmity with their illegal and forced existence as a country in the heart of middle esat.
On the other hand Hindus (Say RSS lobby which is the dominent force in the bureaucracy and upper castes) don't like the existence of muslims in India particularly as we have seen again and again in 60+ yrs of anti muslim riots history in India and of Pakistan (Again a muslim country seperated from India) generally.
So it provide them the common plateform to work together.
Regarding the Palestinian leadership they don't have any power or military with them so they can just go the direction the wind folws. So don't take there support that seriously. They even can't say anything regarding the relations some Arab nations have with Israel but the Palestinians don't like. We can understand their situation.
On the other hand Hindus (Say RSS lobby which is the dominent force in the bureaucracy and upper castes) don't like the existence of muslims in India particularly as we have seen again and again in 60+ yrs of anti muslim riots history in India and of Pakistan (Again a muslim country seperated from India) generally.
So it provide them the common plateform to work together.
Regarding the Palestinian leadership they don't have any power or military with them so they can just go the direction the wind folws. So don't take there support that seriously. They even can't say anything regarding the relations some Arab nations have with Israel but the Palestinians don't like. We can understand their situation.
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