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excuse me!whoz asking u??n from where india propped into it..read the first post plz..n u may start your concerns in separate thread..
Pakistan to get 2 nuclear reactors from China
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excuse me!whoz asking u??n from where india propped into it..read the first post plz..n u may start your concerns in separate thread..
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Actually the argument being made is that the CHASNUPP III and IV plants are covered under the original agreement to construct a nuclear power complex at Chasma, before China joined the NSG.
China and Pakistan are not making the argument that the NSG should be ignored, they are arguing that the NSG guidelines do not apply in the case of the Chashma NPP's.
A broader NSG exemption along the lines of what India obtained, that would allow Pakistan to construct NPP's beyond the Chashma complex, is something Pakistan is still lobbying for.
I think that if this deal goes through (and it will take several years to complete the projects) Pakistan will be able to make a strong case for an NSG exemption given that it will be operating 5 NPP's under IAEA safeguards with no violations, and show its commitment to non-proliferation through continued strong anti-proliferation measures and a clean record post AQ Khan.
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congrats on de deal, such ashame it had to wait dis long .
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dose usa has any authority to do so??
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US, India feel Sino-Pak Nuclear deal irreversible
By Anwar Iqbal
Wednesday, 26 May, 2010
Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie shakes hand with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani prior to their meeting in Islamabad. Liang is in Islamabad to hold talks with Pakistani leadership to discuss issues of common concern including military ties and defense cooperation, an official said. AP Photo/Anjum Naveed
WASHINGTON: After talks with a senior US official, India said on Tuesday that it was closely examining reports of China selling two nuclear reactors to Pakistan to see if the guidelines of an international export control regime had been applied to it.
The Indian statement, as reported in the American media on Tuesday, reflects Indias desire to prevent the deal but also shows a realisation that it may not be able to do so.
The realisation stems from a change in the US position on this issue. The Obama administration suggested on Monday it would not attempt to prevent the China-Pakistan nuclear deal if the arrangement did not violate Beijings obligations as a member of a 46-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group.
We are alert to these reports. We are fully aware of what has been announced. These reports say that the cooperation is ostensibly for peaceful purposes and one within the safeguards, said Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao.
US Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs Philip J. Crowley expressed similar sentiments at a briefing on Monday, saying that the United States will seek to make sure that should this deal go forward, it is in compliance with the rules of the Nuclear Suppliers Group.
The Indian foreign secretary, however, noted that this matter is under examination and the result of this examination will reveal whether the NSG guidelines have been applied in this case.
China has said it would set up two reactors in Pakistan, in addition to two earlier power reactors Beijing has already installed.
On Monday, the Indian foreign secretary met US Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs William Burns in New Delhi for finalising the agenda for the first strategic dialogue between the two countries to be held in Washington on June 3.
A joint statement issued after the talks identified five focus areas of strategic cooperation, which include energy and climate change, education and development, economic trade and agriculture constituted as the main items on the agenda.
It does not mention Indias reported concerns over Pakistans nuclear deal with China.
DAWN.COM | Front Page | US, India feel Sino-Pak Nuclear deal irreversible
By Anwar Iqbal
Wednesday, 26 May, 2010
Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie shakes hand with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani prior to their meeting in Islamabad. Liang is in Islamabad to hold talks with Pakistani leadership to discuss issues of common concern including military ties and defense cooperation, an official said. AP Photo/Anjum Naveed
WASHINGTON: After talks with a senior US official, India said on Tuesday that it was closely examining reports of China selling two nuclear reactors to Pakistan to see if the guidelines of an international export control regime had been applied to it.
The Indian statement, as reported in the American media on Tuesday, reflects Indias desire to prevent the deal but also shows a realisation that it may not be able to do so.
The realisation stems from a change in the US position on this issue. The Obama administration suggested on Monday it would not attempt to prevent the China-Pakistan nuclear deal if the arrangement did not violate Beijings obligations as a member of a 46-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group.
We are alert to these reports. We are fully aware of what has been announced. These reports say that the cooperation is ostensibly for peaceful purposes and one within the safeguards, said Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao.
US Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs Philip J. Crowley expressed similar sentiments at a briefing on Monday, saying that the United States will seek to make sure that should this deal go forward, it is in compliance with the rules of the Nuclear Suppliers Group.
The Indian foreign secretary, however, noted that this matter is under examination and the result of this examination will reveal whether the NSG guidelines have been applied in this case.
China has said it would set up two reactors in Pakistan, in addition to two earlier power reactors Beijing has already installed.
On Monday, the Indian foreign secretary met US Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs William Burns in New Delhi for finalising the agenda for the first strategic dialogue between the two countries to be held in Washington on June 3.
A joint statement issued after the talks identified five focus areas of strategic cooperation, which include energy and climate change, education and development, economic trade and agriculture constituted as the main items on the agenda.
It does not mention Indias reported concerns over Pakistans nuclear deal with China.
DAWN.COM | Front Page | US, India feel Sino-Pak Nuclear deal irreversible
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Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie shakes hand with Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani prior to their meeting in Islamabad. Liang is in Islamabad to hold talks with Pakistani leadership to discuss issues of common concern including military ties and defense cooperation, an official said. AP Photo/Anjum Naveed
WASHINGTON: After talks with a senior US official, India said on Tuesday that it was closely examining reports of China selling two nuclear reactors to Pakistan to see if the guidelines of an international export control regime had been applied to it.
The Indian statement, as reported in the American media on Tuesday, reflects Indias desire to prevent the deal but also shows a realisation that it may not be able to do so.
The realisation stems from a change in the US position on this issue. The Obama administration suggested on Monday it would not attempt to prevent the China-Pakistan nuclear deal if the arrangement did not violate Beijings obligations as a member of a 46-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group.
We are alert to these reports. We are fully aware of what has been announced. These reports say that the cooperation is ostensibly for peaceful purposes and one within the safeguards, said Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao.
US Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs Philip J. Crowley expressed similar sentiments at a briefing on Monday, saying that the United States will seek to make sure that should this deal go forward, it is in compliance with the rules of the Nuclear Suppliers Group.
The Indian foreign secretary, however, noted that this matter is under examination and the result of this examination will reveal whether the NSG guidelines have been applied in this case.
China has said it would set up two reactors in Pakistan, in addition to two earlier power reactors Beijing has already installed.
On Monday, the Indian foreign secretary met US Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs William Burns in New Delhi for finalising the agenda for the first strategic dialogue between the two countries to be held in Washington on June 3.
A joint statement issued after the talks identified five focus areas of strategic cooperation, which include energy and climate change, education and development, economic trade and agriculture constituted as the main items on the agenda.
It does not mention Indias reported concerns over Pakistans nuclear deal with China.
DAWN.COM | Front Page | US, India feel Sino-Pak Nuclear deal irreversible
I dont understand that the fuss is all about, dont the indians have a similar in fact better deal with the US. Even if they are studying the deal what do they think that they will achieve, do the indian gov think that they will be able to avert a strategic deal between Pakistan and China.
And PS the comments above are not to troll, so dont bother if you would want to answer with those intentions.
No fuss. the strategic relationship/co-operation between China & Pakistan is well understood and India/more importantly Indian diplomats take a realistic view of it i.e. they cant do much about it other than build counterweights.
As regards this particular instance, I assume it would be standard FA tactics. Study to see if proposed transfer violates any international laws or undertakings of either country.
If no, then use deal to highlight potential issues given alleged past misdemeanours by Pak (Khan et al) to get max victim brownies out of it.
If yes, then leverage to make life tough for the deal by raising a nice fuss about it. But think all realistically assume deal will go through either which way-overhand/underhand.
As regards this particular instance, I assume it would be standard FA tactics. Study to see if proposed transfer violates any international laws or undertakings of either country.
If no, then use deal to highlight potential issues given alleged past misdemeanours by Pak (Khan et al) to get max victim brownies out of it.
If yes, then leverage to make life tough for the deal by raising a nice fuss about it. But think all realistically assume deal will go through either which way-overhand/underhand.
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US 'favours' China-Pak nuke deal
The US on Tuesday indicated that it is favourably inclined to the civilian nuclear deal between China and Pakistan but it should be in compliance with the rules of Nuclear Suppliers Group.
"We will seek to make sure that, should this deal go forward, it is in compliance with the rules of the Nuclear Suppliers Group," State Department spokesman P J Crowley told reporters at his daily press briefing.
Crowley was not sure if the issue specifically came up for discussion between the US and China during the ongoing Strategic and Economic Dialogue between the two countries in Beijing.
"I don't know if this will come up during the Secretary's (of State) meetings in China this week. We are talking to China more broadly about the implications of this deal," Crowley said.
Earlier in the day, two noted American scholars on South Asia said that there are signs of the Obama Administration softening of its position towards Chinese- Pakistani nuclear cooperation.
US officials have avoided pressing China against moving forward with a deal to supply two new nuclear reactors to Pakistan, they said.
"The Obama Administration's policy contrasts with that of the previous Bush Administration, which actively discouraged additional Chinese assistance to Pakistan's nuclear programme," said Lisa Curtis and Nicholas Hamisevicz of the Heritage Foundation.
US 'favours' China-Pak nuke deal
The US on Tuesday indicated that it is favourably inclined to the civilian nuclear deal between China and Pakistan but it should be in compliance with the rules of Nuclear Suppliers Group.
"We will seek to make sure that, should this deal go forward, it is in compliance with the rules of the Nuclear Suppliers Group," State Department spokesman P J Crowley told reporters at his daily press briefing.
Crowley was not sure if the issue specifically came up for discussion between the US and China during the ongoing Strategic and Economic Dialogue between the two countries in Beijing.
"I don't know if this will come up during the Secretary's (of State) meetings in China this week. We are talking to China more broadly about the implications of this deal," Crowley said.
Earlier in the day, two noted American scholars on South Asia said that there are signs of the Obama Administration softening of its position towards Chinese- Pakistani nuclear cooperation.
US officials have avoided pressing China against moving forward with a deal to supply two new nuclear reactors to Pakistan, they said.
"The Obama Administration's policy contrasts with that of the previous Bush Administration, which actively discouraged additional Chinese assistance to Pakistan's nuclear programme," said Lisa Curtis and Nicholas Hamisevicz of the Heritage Foundation.
US 'favours' China-Pak nuke deal
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im sick of india poking its nose in every pak-china agreements 
whats their problem? have we ever given any statement on indo-russia agreements?
whats their problem? have we ever given any statement on indo-russia agreements?
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im sick of india poking its nose in every pak-china agreements
whats their problem? have we ever given any statement on indo-russia agreements?
It is directly related to India as if it get misused the nuclear bomb will be used against India. And also against international norms.
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Sino-Pak Nuclear deal is not irreversible but we have got pro US prime minister so till he is there matter of our national interest will be at stake.
And what US have to do in it apart from being global police, pak can't bomb USA with nukes.
Also, in the past USA have closed its eyes as it don't get affected by it.
And what US have to do in it apart from being global police, pak can't bomb USA with nukes.
Also, in the past USA have closed its eyes as it don't get affected by it.
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civilian nuclear plants make bombs
BTW what was Pak concern when india signed the deal??
oh ya that it would be used against minnesota..
n international norms??
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How absurd.
Pakistan already operates two NPP's under IAEA safeguards, and will start operating a third in a year or so. If 'misuse' of civilian NPP's was really a concern, then it is too late now.
Secondly, it is not the Nuclear Power Plant that is a concern from a nuclear weapons perspective, but the enrichment process (in the case of light water plants such as the CHASNUPP series). The world does not have issue with Iran running light water NPP's, it has an issue with Iran obtaining the technology and enriching its own uranium.
It is uranium enrichment (much higher than what is needed for fuel in a NPP) that gives a country the ability to make fuel for a nuclear weapon, and Pakistan has had enrichment technology for decades now.
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In todays world....YES
