Pakistan to get 2 nuclear reactors from China

[xenia]

No idea - didn't read posts written above

yeah i ve seen this on forum..reposts on the same page

You can read first few lines of this agreement for your answer

Indo-U.S. civilian nuclear agreement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i have read this agreement from proper references..i thought there was something beyond this IAEA inspection..if this is the sole reason we have already taken this stance...

by secretely i mean Pakistan is not signatory to NPT right....... so they can seek assistance from chinese from backdoor and build plants and later on ask IAEA to safeguard it and claim it to be ingedenious design

Both IAEA will be happy and our energy requirements shall be fullfilled......... but the problem here is we have NO money to take any step - taking loan from chinese for the construction of above mentioned reactors

boht a'la idea jhara he evilgenius as if the world is on ur palm...forward this to GOP..thay need ur talents!

 

[T-Faz]

Actually Pakistan is working on more nuclear weapons to increase there stockpile, it has been reported and images shown through satellite imagery, the kind of equipment Pakistan has been buying recently suggests something is up.

Lets hope its a 1000mw nuclear reactor or the mother of all bombs.

 

[T-Faz]

US unlikely to openly criticise Sino-Pak nuke trade

Washington, Apr 28 (PTI) China is all set to export two nuclear power plants to Pakistan in violation of the guidelines of the Nuclear Suppliers Group that require NPT signatory states to supply such equipment only with comprehensive IAEA safeguards, a US think tank said today.

But the Obama Administration is unlikely to openly criticise such a deal, given its overwhelming dependence on Islamabad for its Afghan operations even though it might object to it inside the NSG, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace said in its report released today.

"Contrary to guidelines adopted in 1992 by nuclear equipment supplier states in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), China is poised to export two power reactors to Pakistan.

fullstory

 

[Awesome]

Just say we made it ourselves. Have we ever acknowledged Chashma II is being made with Chinese help?

 

[Hyde]

Just say we made it ourselves. Have we ever acknowledged Chashma II is being made with Chinese help?

Yes we did

problem hi yehi hai naa yara............ pehle china was not member of NSG when Chashma 2 was signed......... now she is

 

[xenia]

Yes we did

problem hi yehi hai naa yara............ pehle china was not member of NSG when Chashma 2 was signed......... now she is

if US can diregard NSG why cant china??bus uncle obama ka munh band karwa len..n he is already so tilted towards china...

 

[Awesome]

if US can diregard NSG why cant china??bus uncle obama ka munh band karwa len..n he is already so tilted towards china...

Either it should be that we made it ourselves and keep China's name out of it, or push NSG to give us the exemption.

We don't want Obama to give us an exception and the next guy places sanctions on us. The nuclear weapons of ours are very secure and we are a fast growing developing nation and we totally deserve to meet our energy needs. We're already a nuclear power for 12 years and have been very sensible about them.

Barring the one incident by AQ Khan (and other countries like India have had people smuggling nuclear fuel, the Russians have lost full blown working nuclear devices, on a few occasions the US has lost track of its nuclear weapons as well), there has been no such other incident.

 

[xenia]

todays news..US unlikely to stop china-pak nuclear deal as it has set the path itself by making india an exception..so no moral grounds to stop china even under NSG...just read it in dawn

 

[Lilo]

Good news ... this has got nothing to do with sino-indian realtionship as China is Pakistan's best friend .. a friend in need is a friend inded. We have major power prob in the country and it i much needed i sure hope india won't cry over this cuz this is not a defence deal.

Why dont the Chinese help Pak build some coal fired power plants with subsidized chinese coal.

May be they can build 10 X 300MW =3000W which can better address Pakistan's electricity crisis with the same amount of money being spent on nuke reactors.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Why dont the Chinese help Pak build some coal fired power plants with subsidized chinese coal.

May be they can build 10 X 300MW =3000W which can better address Pakistan's electricity crisis.

There is no need for Chinese subsidized coal, as we have sufficient reserves of coal which can be used for electricity generation.

And China had helped and is even ready now for such projects, they had even been doing some infrastructure building in Thar area, but the Red Tape and the gas and oil electricity generation cartel comes into the way, who does not want to have such projects take off as it will reduce their profits.

As per a recent report by Dr. Samar Mubarakmand, by using 2% of the Thar coal reserves, we can make 20,000MW electricity for next 40 years, thus it can give you an idea, what is the potential, but alas some high ups don't want to see such things become a reality.

http://www.icci.com.pk/event/detail/436

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\04\09\story_9-4-2010_pg5_11

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=24842

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/47101-thar-coal-reserves.html

China Help:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-75913115.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb092/is_5-6_37/ai_n29292989/

 

[Cheetah786]

By Geoff Dyer in Beijing, Farhan Bokhari in Islamabad and James Lamont in New Delhi

Published: April 28 2010 15:48 | Last updated: April 28 2010 15:48

China has agreed to build two new civilian nuclear reactors in Pakistan, according to Chinese companies and officials in Islamabad and Beijing, in a deal that could re-ignite the global debate about nuclear commerce and proliferation.

The decision to supply reactors to Pakistan , which has a nuclear arsenal and a record of dealing with North Korea, Iran and Libya, reflects China’s growing diplomatic confidence. It also reflects Beijing’s ambition to become a global supplier of nuclear energy and underscores its view of Pakistan as a prized south Asian strategic partner .

The new deal with Pakistan, which has yet to be publicly announced, poses a dilemma for the US administration of President Barack Obama, which wants Chinese support for new sanctions on Iran but which does not want to weaken the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. Non-proliferation is one of Washington’s main foreign policy goals .

China began building a nuclear reactor in Chashma in Pakistan's Punjab province in 1991 and work on a second rector began in 2005 and is expected to be completed next year. Under the new agreement, Chinese companies will build at least two new 650-MW reactors at Chashma.

A Pakistani government official familiar with the discussions with China said on Wednesday: “Our Chinese brothers have once again lived up to our expectations. They have agreed to continue cooperating with us in the nuclear energy field.”

In a statement on its website, China National Nuclear Corporation said that the Chinese and Pakistan governments had signed an agreement to finance the construction of the two new reactors in February. Last year, Shanghai Nuclear Engineering Research and Design Institute said it had been hired to design the two new reactors.

Diplomats in China said they had been told that Beijing has given its formal approval to the deal, although they cautioned that there could still be last-minute hitches in the talks between the two governments.

Officials of two nations that are members of the Nuclear Suppliers Group said they had yet to be formally informed by the Chinese that the supply of new reactors was going ahead.

Mark Hibbs,senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace's nuclear policy programme, said that China had decided to go ahead with the deal because “for political reasons it felt Pakistan should be compensated in some way for the US-India nuclear deal ”. The deal between Washington and New Delhi facilitated nuclear co-operation even though India has not signed the NPT.

“After the dust settled on the US-India nuclear deal, China gravitated towards a position that it will support nuclear commerce if it benefits Chinese industry,” he added.

The Obama administration could well not oppose China’s new nuclear deal with Pakistan, Mr Hibbs said, because it wanted to keep Pakistan engaged in Afghanistan and gain Chinese support over Iran’s nuclear programme. He also said the US would find it difficult to oppose China’s support for Pakistan after signing the US-India civil nuclear agreement.

Western diplomats in Islamabad said the US was likely to accept China's growing role as a supplier of nuclear power to Pakistan.

“As long as China is not arming Pakistan with nuclear bombs, this kind of co-operation helps to deal with Pakistan's frustration over not securing a civil nuclear agreement with the US,” said one western official. "It's not a perfect outcome.”

The agreement comes as Pakistan faces long electricity cuts as a result of under-investment in the energy sector. Yusuf Raza Gilani, Pakistan’s prime minister, last week publicly urged Pakistanis not to damage public property in protests against the power shortage.
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FT.com / Asia-Pacific - China to build reactors in Pakistan

So we are getting two 650MW reactors in addition to two already at chasma.

Having said that I think Pakistan should be investing heavily in renewable resources to generate electricity and should stay away from nuclear and coal fired plants completely.

 

[Machoman]

WASHINGTON: US-India nuclear deal prevents the Obama administration from blocking a possible export of two Chinese nuclear power reactors to Pakistan, says a US think-tank.

“China is poised to export two power reactors to Pakistan,” said a report released by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington.

“The pending Sino-Pakistan deal reflects the growing confidence and assertiveness of China’s nuclear energy programme.”

A nuclear deal the US signed with India was one of the main reasons that prevented Washington from openly criticising the Chinese export to Islamabad, the report observed.

The US administration, however, might object to it inside the Nuclear Suppliers Group, which oversees such transactions. Such objections, however, “cannot prevent China from exporting the reactors”, the report added.

“President Barack Obama will not openly criticise the Chinese export because Washington, in the context of a bilateral security dialogue with Islamabad, may be sensitive to Pakistan’s desire for civilian nuclear cooperation in the wake of the sweeping US-India nuclear deal,” said the report while explaining the first reason for a muted US reaction.

It recalled that the US-India deal entered into force in 2008 after considerable arm-twisting of NSG states by the United States, France and Russia.

“The breach created by the US-India deal, which would be opened wider by Chinese export of reactors to Pakistan, will not be easily closed because, as stated by paragraph 16 of the (NSG) guidelines, unanimous consent is required for any changes in the guidelines,” the report warned.

“The United States may also tolerate China’s new nuclear deal with Pakistan because Obama wants China’s support for United Nations Security Council sanctions against Iran this spring,” the report noted.

Author Mark Hibbs said in the report that Beijing might justify the deal with Islamabad on the grounds of nuclear stability in South Asia and the need for parity between New Delhi and Islamabad.

“China is likely to soon inform the NSG of its planned transaction.”

Because of China’s growing influence in Pakistan, some NSG countries suggested that the United States would also enlist China to persuade Pakistan to drop its opposition to negotiation of a Fissile Material Cut-Off Treaty. Pakistan has said it could not accept the treaty because the US-India deal had tilted the nuclear balance in South Asia in India’s favour.

 

[James007]

WASHINGTON: US-India nuclear deal prevents the Obama administration from blocking a possible export of two Chinese nuclear power reactors to Pakistan, says a US think-tank.

“China is poised to export two power reactors to Pakistan,” said a report released by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington.

“The pending Sino-Pakistan deal reflects the growing confidence and assertiveness of China’s nuclear energy programme.”

A nuclear deal the US signed with India was one of the main reasons that prevented Washington from openly criticising the Chinese export to Islamabad, the report observed.

The US administration, however, might object to it inside the Nuclear Suppliers Group, which oversees such transactions. Such objections, however, “cannot prevent China from exporting the reactors”, the report added.

“President Barack Obama will not openly criticise the Chinese export because Washington, in the context of a bilateral security dialogue with Islamabad, may be sensitive to Pakistan’s desire for civilian nuclear cooperation in the wake of the sweeping US-India nuclear deal,” said the report while explaining the first reason for a muted US reaction.

It recalled that the US-India deal entered into force in 2008 after considerable arm-twisting of NSG states by the United States, France and Russia.

“The breach created by the US-India deal, which would be opened wider by Chinese export of reactors to Pakistan, will not be easily closed because, as stated by paragraph 16 of the (NSG) guidelines, unanimous consent is required for any changes in the guidelines,” the report warned.

“The United States may also tolerate China’s new nuclear deal with Pakistan because Obama wants China’s support for United Nations Security Council sanctions against Iran this spring,” the report noted.

Author Mark Hibbs said in the report that Beijing might justify the deal with Islamabad on the grounds of nuclear stability in South Asia and the need for parity between New Delhi and Islamabad.

“China is likely to soon inform the NSG of its planned transaction.”

Because of China’s growing influence in Pakistan, some NSG countries suggested that the United States would also enlist China to persuade Pakistan to drop its opposition to negotiation of a Fissile Material Cut-Off Treaty. Pakistan has said it could not accept the treaty because the US-India deal had tilted the nuclear balance in South Asia in India’s favour.

 

[Machoman]

Dude already posted Mod please Merge....

 

[Machoman]

Let see when did we get those from China..