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Pakistan to buy old F-16s from Jordan - Chapter closed for new F-16s blk-52s from US

Lingering Question

The UAE F16 E/F , I think UAE owned rights to sell this brand plane to other nations.

I am suprised that discussions never took off between UAE / Plane make and Pakistan for Block E/F plane

Now UAE is purchasing Rafale any scoop on if UAE can't sell the plane directly they donated money for R&D for the plane

  • Now we are getting / or allegedly geting Block A/B from 80's I understand with MLU it will be modest improvement (ok considering our budget)

Bro as long as i know we got 12+1 or 13+1 (lil doubtful about the numbers) from Jordan and as per reports coming from Turkey, they are being sent their for up gradation. As the RJAF F-16s did come at damn low cost and PAF was able to recover them quite well and we have $200 million plus money left by 8 F-16s so who knows we might get another full Squadron of RJAF F-16s.

270 Million dollars , 70 million can buy you 3 planes in right places

Obviously there would be whole Quality Assurance and Engineering checks and MLU funds allocated for improvements , a modest increase in Fleet
 
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We still could have got it if our foreign minister mr nawaz shareef that guy who is also PM & defense minister had bothered to speak up & explain how we are fighting against terrorism & we need these F-16's but like always if nihari, offshore & swiss accounts are on mind u can't pay attention on anything else especially if it is related to Pakistan & those things that can hurt Modi friend's india.



Gripen, Su-30 & J-10's are not expensive we can get them if we talk

No, Gripen is not on sale to Pakistan.
The exports laws of Sweden does not allow sales to countries which are not stable democracies.
Too many military coups in Pakistan.
Pakistan was told to forget it 2004 when they wanted Gripen C.
I don't think the reply would be different for Gripen E.
Anyway Gripen E is as expensive as a new F-16.
 
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The F16 love affair continues

  • F16 Block A/B 16 planes
  • Minor repair / upgrade overhaul Turkey
  • Some repair work USA or Pakistan
  • Cash Payment

All parties happy

I like the approach stick to our budget be responsible
 
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Well obviously more money would be spent to freshen up the plane (Ovehaul) I doubt the plane would be inducted as is from Jordanian airforce.
 
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No, Gripen is not on sale to Pakistan.
The exports laws of Sweden does not allow sales to countries which are not stable democracies.
Too many military coups in Pakistan.
Pakistan was told to forget it 2004 when they wanted Gripen C.
I don't think the reply would be different for Gripen E.
Anyway Gripen E is as expensive as a new F-16.
really......... they are a stable country. back then they said no but now they will say no again not due to its democracy but to the larger oppertunity in india. even if its unlikely [as it already is] its too big a market to miss. they dont want strings when buying kit and remember we can block sales of the gripen as we have done with argentina and it has a lot of americain origin kit too. which is another reason why they chose no to opt for it.
so the gripen is swedish as a fat man eating a burger and having tea
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You mean with those old jets which F 16A/B .. good...





Wht is the use of buying retired jets to replace retiring jets..
You need service life of no more than 15-20 years and with TAI upgrade (if taken).... these will be at give away price tag and will be just gap stopper.
And good things are comming anyways... JFT block 3 will add much needed punch but we really need to replace large number of jets NOW!!
 
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J 31 not coming in 2024u will hear that PAF asking for more F 16 they made it their ego when all airforce retire them they need all of that junk too yaaar chutiya thinking
PAF Plan Buy 2nd hand F-16 add new JF-17 and Wait for J-31 till 2024

By reading a few of the comments here it seems our common folk like to think that they know more about what PAF needs to do than those professionals in the PAF itself.

What we need to understand is that we are cash strapped, US congress did not block us from buying those f-16s they just asked us to foot the whole bill by ourself, and we don't have the cash to do that.

And even if somehow we do get the cash (lets say Dar becomes a lannister and start shitting gold) what other options do we have.

Russia will not sell us SU-35 no matter how many times we write about it on this forum unless of course Putin becomes a member of the defence.pk and sees our enthusiasm, get impressed and with tears in his eyes allows us to buy those planes.

Rafale is not an option as India is already getting it and we can't afford Euro-Fighter even with that gold that Dar shit.

So only other feasible option is J-10 which pretty much offers the same goodies that a MLUed F-16 has to offer but will require the seting up of new infrastructure, training and doctrine and that too for just a couple of squardons.

Also please keep in mind that we need to replace about 200 old planes (read obsolete), and we need to do it quicky before we start having our own flying coffins. The pace at which JF-17's (which cost us correct me if I am wrong $30-35 Million each) leaving the assembly line it seems impossible that we will be able to replace all of these planes by even 2025. So if we don't procure alternatives we will lose quite a few of our brave pilots flying those junk planes.

Now getting these old F-16s for less than 20 Million USD a piece is a good bargain, once MLUed which of course will have its own cost these planes can provide 4000-6000 hours to PAF. So they can easily serve us till 2035.
Bhai don't tell me infrastructure training shit F it is the case why u inducted F 16 in 83 for just 40 jets u bought entire setup

J 10b is far better option cheap reliable and most importantly it new can go further

J 10b equal to block 52 and better range radars hard points and superior maneuverability

Remember we lower the F 16 from 70 to 36 in 2004 due to J 10 offer which we not taken

End up getting 18 F 16 so PAF made stupid decision at that time

Do u remember PAF started JF 17 project due to US refused to sell F 16 in 90s era so we brought a alternative jet what is point for going back to zero again

J 10B is best contender to replace Delta wing jet Mirages with Delta wing J 10B

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Most of them have F 16 but they never said we can't buy F 15 rafale Eurofighter because we will have different type of infrastructure training to get

It's ridiculous excuse by PAF in war you must have different type of weapons to cover weakness of each other weapons

Our PAF us one dimensional force most valuable at sea where enemy will hit us the hardest if we keep denying facts and keep giving excuses of infrastructure than

GOD HELP US sorry for limited thinking

Sharpshooter

Israelis Indonesians Saudis omanis Kuwaitis Emirates also are professionals but they make good decisions

They have 2 types of jet air superiority and multiple and look your PAF one dimensional
 
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Mr sharpshooter if those F 16 can't help you in kargil war no matter what was issue I'm sorry our PAF is 10 steps behind than IAF

With just 1 BVR in kargil india changed the face of kargil war in its bucket

Reason pathetic thinking PAF joy riders of F 16

Reason not having air superiority fighter jet which could have taken care of Mirages 2000 at that time

Air superiority jets made to take on any air threat head on multole jets can't do it in time of loosing is not an option

I gave you facts u can't deny our PAF planners are pathetic stupid and junk collectors

Remember india won kargil war with no SU 30 at time our F 16 can't even fly at time of war so what they do know with 200 SU 30 36 rafale on their tail

Can't save our Atlantique airplane IAF destroyed

PAF is pathetic it enjoys killing talibandls who pose no threat

I'm as lover Pakistani as u are but I must bring weaknesses of our power so we fill them up
 
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Bhai don't tell me infrastructure training shit F it is the case why u inducted F 16 in 83 for just 40 jets u bought entire setup
Bhai 40 was not the number that Pakistan was hoping for in 83, it was 110 but presler messed it up. If the PAF knew they will be flying just 40 planes for about 2 decades I don't think they would have opted for F-16s. Now don't start on see we can't trust US and PAF should have known, we are talking about setting up infrastructure for just 40 planes here.
Most of them have F 16 but they never said we can't buy F 15 rafale Eurofighter because we will have different type of infrastructure training to get

It's ridiculous excuse by PAF in war you must have different type of weapons to cover weakness of each other weapons

Our PAF us one dimensional force most valuable at sea where enemy will hit us the hardest if we keep denying facts and keep giving excuses of infrastructure than
Currently we have I guess upwards of 80 F-16's, then there are JF-17's, F-7 PGs who are here to stay for a while. Then there are legacy fighters like F-7s, Mirage III/Vs. So how much diversity do you want. In a perfect world we should have a dedicated naval strike platform, a deep-strike platform and a pure air-superiority fighter. But when you have 200 legacy planes to replace and your whole defence budget is about $ 8.9 Billion you will have to make compromises. This budget has to cater to the needs of world's sixth largest military and it is not even in the top 20 military budgets of the world. So our armed forces are doing a wonderful job when it comes to using these meager funds to create a respectable force.
Israelis Indonesians Saudis omanis Kuwaitis Emirates also are professionals but they make good decisions
Bhai all these countries that you have mentioned are not cash strapped as we are. Omanis and Kuwaitis have only about 30 frontline fighters, Indonesia has about 8 frontline squardons while PAF has 20 so you can't really compare them with PAF. As for the Emiratis and Saudis, their defence budgets are $23 Billion and $ 80 Billion respectively so they do afford induction of different platforms and even then they are using 3 types of front-line aircrafts while we are already using 5. India was using multiple platforms and it did not work that well for them so they are reducing the number of platforms. The F-35 program for the US was actually planned to reduce the number of platforms. So how does it make sense that we add another platform and that too just worth 2 squardons.

As I said US did not ban F-16 sale they just asked us to pay the whole amount and we can't do that as we lack cash. With investments going into JF-17s and those big ticket purchases for the PN how much budget do you think is left for the PAF for procurement. If we had the cash Kuwaitis, Emiratis or Suadis have then surely you would have seen some cool new planes but we are stuck with Nanga nahaye ga kya Nichoray ga kya wali situation.
 
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I think if we can get from Jordan at a cheaper price and get them upgraded, is not a bad idea at all. Listen it is not F-16 that's the issue here but the baggage which comes with it if we buy from USA. What I understand is that PAF needs a sizeable number of F-16s and JF-17s to bridge the gap with IAF until it is able to induct its next platform. ...that's what their thinking is in my opinion and I neither totally agree with this approach nor totally against it.

17 peace falcon 2 are already MLUed and in storage for sale.
 
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