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well some defence analysy compare this with german howitzer anyway if we can get them it will be good for pakistan armed forces as they are retirng all old non 115mm guns might be news right to replace them few with chinese PLZ
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all M109A3's are being upgraded to A5 specifications. further PA had placed and received 2 orders of M109A5's
1. 115 examples - delivery completed in 2009
2. 67 examples - delivery completed in 2008.
PA has in excess of 300 SP guns and will receive further A5's under US Army EDA program - PA requirement is for ~500 SP guns.
PLZ45 wld be a good addition to the inventory, but so far only Kuwait has placed an export order for 45 guns with China. S/Arabia is also a potential buyer.
1. 115 examples - delivery completed in 2009
2. 67 examples - delivery completed in 2008.
PA has in excess of 300 SP guns and will receive further A5's under US Army EDA program - PA requirement is for ~500 SP guns.
PLZ45 wld be a good addition to the inventory, but so far only Kuwait has placed an export order for 45 guns with China. S/Arabia is also a potential buyer.
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hello sorry but this link is showin that pak army have 250 M109A2 and 300 M109A4 and also A5 M109 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia can you clear this?
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all existing A3 and A4 are to be upgraded to A5 standards.
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PLZ45 are going to be a great addition to PA inventory. although there is no confirm news of there induction but still i hope we will go for them.
In terms of ranges, armour, vehicle range and speed they are even better then the M109A5, the mainstay of PA howitzer section.
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In terms of ranges, armour, vehicle range and speed they are even better then the M109A5, the mainstay of PA howitzer section.
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wiki figs are in-correct IMO
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HEADLINES
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006
JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - FEBRUARY 01, 2006
China develops 155 mm/52-cal howitzer
YIHONG CHANG JDW Correspondent and
CHRISTOPHER F FOSS Jane's Land Forces Contributing Editor
Hong Kong and London
The new 155 mm/52-cal Norinco howitzer is based on the existing 45-cal PLZ45
There is speculation that the new system copies Russian designs
China North Industries Corporation (Norinco) has developed to the prototype stage a new 155 mm/52-cal self- propelled howitzer (SPH), which has already started its firing trials.
Defence sources told JDW that the weapon may be designated the PLZ52 or Type 05. At this stage it is not certain whether it has been developed for use by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) or for the potential export market.
The PLZ52 appears to be based on the tracked chassis of the standard Norinco 155 mm/45-cal PLZ45 that has been in service with the PLA for some years.
Most recent export customers for self-propelled artillery systems have opted for a 155 mm/52 cal-gun rather than the older 155 mm/45-cal weapon because it offers increased range. As far as is known, the only export sales of the PLZ45 to date were two batches of artillery systems to Kuwait in 1997 and 2001, including ammunition resupply vehicles, a fire-control system and target acquisition systems.
The turret of the PLZ52 is new, but similar in appearance to that used by the Russian 152 mm 2S19 (MSTA-S) SPH, first fielded in 1989-90. For the export market, Russia has developed to prototype stage a new 155 mm/52-cal system: the 2S19M1. This has been shown and demonstrated at a number of Russian defence exhibitions but, as far as is known, not outside Russia. The older 2S19 has been demonstrated outside Russia. JDW sources state that Chinese defence officials made a close study of the 2S19M1 and that the new PLZ52 is based on this analysis.
China has in the past made major purchases of complete Russian weapon systems but in recent years has moved towards acquiring subsystems in the land sector.
A source in the Russian defence industry said that it had not sold or transferred the technology of any version of the 2S19 or its turret system to China.
JDW sources believe there is a parallel to the Chinese 300 mm (10-round) A100 multiple rocket system (MRS) that is very similar to the Russian Splav 300 mm BM 9A52 (12-round) Smerch MRS; the Chinese once again borrowed the design concept of the Russian system.
The new Norinco 155 mm PLZ52 will fire standard NATO artillery ammunition as well as Chinese 155 mm ammunition developed for the PLZ45.
The 155 mm/52-cal ordnance fitted to the PLZ52 has a muzzle brake and fume extractor and a muzzle-velocity measuring device is mounted over the rear part of the ordnance.
The baseline PLZ45 had a maximum range of 30 km firing extended-range full bore (ERFB) ammunition and 39 km firing ERFB base bleed ammunition.
Defence sources told JDW that Norinco has developed a new ERFB high-explosive projectile that combines base bleed and rocket assist. When fired from a 155 mm/45-cal system, a range of 50 km can be achieved.
The latest 155 mm/52-cal system would have increased range and therefore higher survivability against counter-battery fire.
The PLZ45 and PLZ52 can also fire the locally produced version of the Russian 155 mm Krasnopol laser-guided artillery projectile.
Why China elected to develop a new turret is not clear as the existing PLZ45 could have been fitted with a 155 mm/52-cal barrel. It is considered probable that the new turret system has a more advanced automatic ammunition handling system that first loads the projectile and the charge. This gives a higher rate of fire and reduced crewing requirements.
In the West there has been a major move from conventional bag type charges to modular charges. At this stage it is not certain whether China has developed this capability as well.
Norinco 155 mm 45 calibre self-propelled gun-howitzer PLZ45 (jaa.janes.com)
China extends artillery reach (jdw.janes.com, 16/06/04)
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2006
JANE'S DEFENCE WEEKLY - FEBRUARY 01, 2006
China develops 155 mm/52-cal howitzer
YIHONG CHANG JDW Correspondent and
CHRISTOPHER F FOSS Jane's Land Forces Contributing Editor
Hong Kong and London
The new 155 mm/52-cal Norinco howitzer is based on the existing 45-cal PLZ45
There is speculation that the new system copies Russian designs
China North Industries Corporation (Norinco) has developed to the prototype stage a new 155 mm/52-cal self- propelled howitzer (SPH), which has already started its firing trials.
Defence sources told JDW that the weapon may be designated the PLZ52 or Type 05. At this stage it is not certain whether it has been developed for use by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) or for the potential export market.
The PLZ52 appears to be based on the tracked chassis of the standard Norinco 155 mm/45-cal PLZ45 that has been in service with the PLA for some years.
Most recent export customers for self-propelled artillery systems have opted for a 155 mm/52 cal-gun rather than the older 155 mm/45-cal weapon because it offers increased range. As far as is known, the only export sales of the PLZ45 to date were two batches of artillery systems to Kuwait in 1997 and 2001, including ammunition resupply vehicles, a fire-control system and target acquisition systems.
The turret of the PLZ52 is new, but similar in appearance to that used by the Russian 152 mm 2S19 (MSTA-S) SPH, first fielded in 1989-90. For the export market, Russia has developed to prototype stage a new 155 mm/52-cal system: the 2S19M1. This has been shown and demonstrated at a number of Russian defence exhibitions but, as far as is known, not outside Russia. The older 2S19 has been demonstrated outside Russia. JDW sources state that Chinese defence officials made a close study of the 2S19M1 and that the new PLZ52 is based on this analysis.
China has in the past made major purchases of complete Russian weapon systems but in recent years has moved towards acquiring subsystems in the land sector.
A source in the Russian defence industry said that it had not sold or transferred the technology of any version of the 2S19 or its turret system to China.
JDW sources believe there is a parallel to the Chinese 300 mm (10-round) A100 multiple rocket system (MRS) that is very similar to the Russian Splav 300 mm BM 9A52 (12-round) Smerch MRS; the Chinese once again borrowed the design concept of the Russian system.
The new Norinco 155 mm PLZ52 will fire standard NATO artillery ammunition as well as Chinese 155 mm ammunition developed for the PLZ45.
The 155 mm/52-cal ordnance fitted to the PLZ52 has a muzzle brake and fume extractor and a muzzle-velocity measuring device is mounted over the rear part of the ordnance.
The baseline PLZ45 had a maximum range of 30 km firing extended-range full bore (ERFB) ammunition and 39 km firing ERFB base bleed ammunition.
Defence sources told JDW that Norinco has developed a new ERFB high-explosive projectile that combines base bleed and rocket assist. When fired from a 155 mm/45-cal system, a range of 50 km can be achieved.
The latest 155 mm/52-cal system would have increased range and therefore higher survivability against counter-battery fire.
The PLZ45 and PLZ52 can also fire the locally produced version of the Russian 155 mm Krasnopol laser-guided artillery projectile.
Why China elected to develop a new turret is not clear as the existing PLZ45 could have been fitted with a 155 mm/52-cal barrel. It is considered probable that the new turret system has a more advanced automatic ammunition handling system that first loads the projectile and the charge. This gives a higher rate of fire and reduced crewing requirements.
In the West there has been a major move from conventional bag type charges to modular charges. At this stage it is not certain whether China has developed this capability as well.
Norinco 155 mm 45 calibre self-propelled gun-howitzer PLZ45 (jaa.janes.com)
China extends artillery reach (jdw.janes.com, 16/06/04)
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PLZ-05 is a better machine compared to its little brother the PLZ-45 and up for export. Looks comparable to Turkish Firtina and M109A6
The PLZ05 155mm self-propelled howitzer entered service with the PLA around 2007, intended as a replacement for the ageing Type 83 152mm self-propelled gun-howitzer deployed at the army- and division-level to provide long-range accurate firepower. At least one PLZ05-equipped battalion is now serving with the artillery brigade of the 39th Group Army in the Shenyang Military Region, with more units expected to be fielded in the future.
The development of the PLZ05 reportedly began in the mid-1990s, and the prototype was completed in 2003. The howitzer may have been certified in 2005~06. A model of the howitzer was first revealed by the China North Industries Group Corporation (CNGC) during the 2005 Beijing International Aviation Expo. In July 2007, during the exhibition held in the Chinese People’s Revolutionary Military Museum to mark the 80th anniversary of the PLA, an example of the PLZ05 was displayed to the public for the first time.
Design
Armament
The PLZ05 features a 155mm gun. The barrel length is 52 or 54 calibre. No information on the howitzer’s technical specifications is available at this stage. The howitzer features an enlarged turret that resembles that of the Russian MSTA-S 2S19 152mm howitzer. There has been reports suggesting that the PLZ05 is fitted with a fully automatic gun loader that was developed (or copied) from the loading system of the 2S19, giving a maximum rate of fire of 8~10 rounds/min. This was possibly because the PLA was unsatisfied with the Chinese-designed semi-automatic gun loader on the PLZ45 155mm self-propelled howitzer.
There is also a 12.7mm anti-aircraft machine gun (AAMG) mounted on the roof of the turret, controlled by the commander. Four smoke grenade launchers are mounted on the turret front on each side of the main gun.
Munitions
The PLZ05 is capable of firing the full range of Chinese indigenous ammunitions. CNGC has also developed a variety of the extended range full bore (ERFB) ammunitions including explosive, illuminating, smoke and cargo. The range of the ammunitions can be further extended using technologies such as base bleed (ERFB-BB) and rocket-assisted (ERFB-BB/RA).
Additionally, the PRC has also obtained the Russian Krasnopol laser-guided projectile technology in the 1990s, and has successfully developed its own 155mm laser-guided ammunitions. The projectile uses inertial mid-course guidance and semi-active laser homing, and has a maximum range of 20km. It can hit a target by the first shot without registration.
Propulsion
The howitzer is mounted on a full-track chassis, which appears to be near identical to that of the PLZ45. The chassis has six rubber-tyred road wheels and two track support rollers on each side. The diesel powerpack is mounted at front, leaving the room in the rear of the vehicle for the gun loader and external ammunition loading system.
Specifications
Crew: 5
Calibre: 155mm
Barrel Length: 52 or 54 calibre
Maximum Firing Range: Over 50km
Rate of Fire: intense 8~10 rounds/min
Loading system: Automatic
Second Weapon: 12.7 mm anti-aircraft machine gun
Smoke Grenade: 2 sets of 4-barrel launchers
The PLZ05 155mm self-propelled howitzer entered service with the PLA around 2007, intended as a replacement for the ageing Type 83 152mm self-propelled gun-howitzer deployed at the army- and division-level to provide long-range accurate firepower. At least one PLZ05-equipped battalion is now serving with the artillery brigade of the 39th Group Army in the Shenyang Military Region, with more units expected to be fielded in the future.
The development of the PLZ05 reportedly began in the mid-1990s, and the prototype was completed in 2003. The howitzer may have been certified in 2005~06. A model of the howitzer was first revealed by the China North Industries Group Corporation (CNGC) during the 2005 Beijing International Aviation Expo. In July 2007, during the exhibition held in the Chinese People’s Revolutionary Military Museum to mark the 80th anniversary of the PLA, an example of the PLZ05 was displayed to the public for the first time.
Design
Armament
The PLZ05 features a 155mm gun. The barrel length is 52 or 54 calibre. No information on the howitzer’s technical specifications is available at this stage. The howitzer features an enlarged turret that resembles that of the Russian MSTA-S 2S19 152mm howitzer. There has been reports suggesting that the PLZ05 is fitted with a fully automatic gun loader that was developed (or copied) from the loading system of the 2S19, giving a maximum rate of fire of 8~10 rounds/min. This was possibly because the PLA was unsatisfied with the Chinese-designed semi-automatic gun loader on the PLZ45 155mm self-propelled howitzer.
There is also a 12.7mm anti-aircraft machine gun (AAMG) mounted on the roof of the turret, controlled by the commander. Four smoke grenade launchers are mounted on the turret front on each side of the main gun.
Munitions
The PLZ05 is capable of firing the full range of Chinese indigenous ammunitions. CNGC has also developed a variety of the extended range full bore (ERFB) ammunitions including explosive, illuminating, smoke and cargo. The range of the ammunitions can be further extended using technologies such as base bleed (ERFB-BB) and rocket-assisted (ERFB-BB/RA).
Additionally, the PRC has also obtained the Russian Krasnopol laser-guided projectile technology in the 1990s, and has successfully developed its own 155mm laser-guided ammunitions. The projectile uses inertial mid-course guidance and semi-active laser homing, and has a maximum range of 20km. It can hit a target by the first shot without registration.
Propulsion
The howitzer is mounted on a full-track chassis, which appears to be near identical to that of the PLZ45. The chassis has six rubber-tyred road wheels and two track support rollers on each side. The diesel powerpack is mounted at front, leaving the room in the rear of the vehicle for the gun loader and external ammunition loading system.
Specifications
Crew: 5
Calibre: 155mm
Barrel Length: 52 or 54 calibre
Maximum Firing Range: Over 50km
Rate of Fire: intense 8~10 rounds/min
Loading system: Automatic
Second Weapon: 12.7 mm anti-aircraft machine gun
Smoke Grenade: 2 sets of 4-barrel launchers
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Our two priorities should be /are
a) Air defence High altitue missiles
b) Helicopter Fleet , and local production of at least 1 Helicopter
The artilery is enough four current needs
a) Air defence High altitue missiles
b) Helicopter Fleet , and local production of at least 1 Helicopter
The artilery is enough four current needs
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Modern nomenclature is confusing. Barrel appears to be too long for this to be called a 'Howitzer'. From what I understand, a howitzer traditionaly had a shorter barrel and shorter range but with a parabolic mortar like trajectory compared to a field gun.
I would call any gun with 50 KM range " Field Gun". Could a military expert please calrify.
I would call any gun with 50 KM range " Field Gun". Could a military expert please calrify.
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Sir, there is a term which is for these kind of things.
Its called gun-howitzer, as such platforms perform the functions of a howitzer as well as a gun.
So some platforms are called gun-howitzers, and for this PLZ-45 or 05, the term should correctly be used as gun-howitzer system.
The G-5, G-6, M109, Pzh 2000 etc are all called as gun-howitzer systems.
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Can someone give numbers? How many PLZ-45, 155 mm self-propelled howitzers we are going to buy from china.
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Numbers are not know so far, nor is the deal confirmed to have been happened or order placed.
As per the AFFDP-2019 envisioned during the time of Musharaf, the army has plans to replace all its artillery fire power with one standard caliber, that to be 155mm and most probably make it all self propelled, except for some lighter caliber guns for the mountainous regions.
So for self propelled, we have 2 options, one is the tracked vehicles, like US M109s, M110s & any other option would be Chinese PLZ-05, while another system best suitable would be the Chinese SH-1 self propelled 155mm/52 caliber system also, which reportedly has been acquired but not yet seen in service. SH-1 & A-100 MBRL acquisition news came at the same time, so far we have seen the A-100 in service, SH-1s are yet to be seen.
Both systems have their usefulness by looking at the terrain we have, tracked ones can be useful in the desert area, while the SH-1 / Panter kind can be useful in the plains of Punjab, the non desert area.
With all artillery self propelled, it will be a great advantage, giving the artillery more chance to survive during war and the shoot and scoot capability.
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