Both the euro fighter & Rafale would easily beat any Falcon by virtue of far superior engines both twin v single. Far superior radar EW suites and much lower RCS
If "superior engines" were the winning factor, then the Space Shuttle Discovery would be the ultimate fighter, hell, its engines allow it to navigate the space, come down to the Earth and then fly till normal landing
The Falcons (and block 15 OCU/MLU, 40 year old almost) have kicked EFT's rear many times in simulation. The EFT was still using the same "superior engines". Now imagine that
. The EW and Cross Section at 40 miles for both, Viper and EFT are the same (Viper block 52. 60+, specially the AESA ones).
Both the rafale & Euro fighter will soon get the best BVR missle on the planet the $2million dollar meteore ramjet..
And....that would compete against AMRAAM C7's!! AMRAAM D's and the AIM9X current block are still a generation ahead of any BVR. Which is why they are classified and won't be released to even NATO. Only the F-22's and F-35's will use the US specific version. But I am not denying the fact that both Rafale and EFT are great platforms. I am just comparing them to the latest versions of the F-16 as the lower versions of the -16's have taken them out many times. In real combat, with EW, EM, Defensive Suites, the ratio would go down. But if there were 10 confirmed simulated kills, you'd still have 4 in real life. That sounds fair. Defensive electronics and counter measures don't blind the missile 100% that any missile can never go through those. The HOBS missiles almost provide a guaranteed kill from pretty much any AOA, no matter how much defensive crap you put through the air.
TRAINING EXCERCISES AT with downgraded radars and serious imposed limitations in DACT are not accurate or real
Says who? Ever been to the Red Flag? You should ask someone from the IAF or the PAF or the RAF on here who's been to it. The Red Flag is as near of a real war as anyone can get to. The systems, combat scenarios and actual simulated combat is as realistic as it is to press the firing button and a real missile chasing away the target.
DACT is just a small part of it. Like airborne refueling. The Red Flag goes over many types of warfare, small force, large force, multipliers, escorts, intercepts, re-engagement, ground attack, anti-radiation combat, etc, etc. So you can't take the ceiling of a DACT and limitations of Radar utilization from one scenario and make the entire exercise look like its a bunch of people flying DACT and playing Dog Fights like Clint Eastwood's Western movies.....remember the "duals"?
After all, it was the same Red Flag where the EFT's got a lock onto an F-22 through their IR sensors
. Not sure if in real life, an F-22 would ever come to a visual range envelop. But still, EFT had a lock and the pictures were posted online like Christmas e-cards
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