Pakistan to Build Massive Dams for Abundant Water and Power

[punit]

1. Dams are not magic bullets.
2. Flood cant be controlled by Dams alone.
3. maintenance of dams exceeds construction cost in due course of time.
4. Mega dams has mega baggage. be careful.
5. Smart Water management combined with Dams and Annual maintenance and vigil only can prevent flood.

 

[FuturePAF]

5. Smart Water management combined with Dams and Annual maintenance and vigil only can prevent flood.

Then we start with minimizing water loss where it is currently being used and then build the dams we need based on the remaining demand

but keeping in mind building dams to prevent the devastation of floods, and to properly store and release water maximize amount of fertile land should be how dams are used, not premarily to generate water as much of the year it cant be used that way

 

[tarrar]

It is very important for the work on dams to start immediately. There should be no further delay.

 

[ziaulislam]

But Isnt diamer bhasha dam under construction? and neelum jehlum?

nope NJ is NOT A DAM
bhasha dam feasibility is ready since 2008 but govt refused to give WAPDA 50 billion rupees/yr for construction=3% of PSDP, this year budget(tech next govt 1st yr) it was finally approved

 

[XDescendantX]

Katzarah Dam is direly needed, as by the year 2070, Basha Dam, Tarbela Dam, Mangla Dam will almost silt up, losing about another 14 maf of water besides 6.6 maf already lost to silting.

I remember reading a previous thread that China had sold/leased dredgers to Pakistan. You know, the same dredgers that created the islands in the South China Sea. If these dredgers can't make the journey up the Indus river, then surely we could use the same technology on a smaller vessel/machine to suck up all the silt?

 

[qamar1990]

http://www.riazhaq.com/2017/05/pakistan-to-build-massive-dams-for.html

China and Pakistan have agreed to finance and build two mega dams in Gilgit-Baltistan region of Pakistan. A memorandum of understanding (MoU) for this development was signed by the leaders of the two countries on the sidelines of the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) summit in Beijing.


Actual vs Potential Hydropower in South Asia. Source: Economist Magazine


The two dams, called Bunji and Diamer-Bhasha projects, will have the capacity to generate 7,100MW and 4,500MW of electricity respectively. China will provide $27 billion to fund the construction of the two dams, according to media reports.

Pakistan's Hydropower Potential:

Pakistan has the potential to generate 59,000MW of hydropower, according to studies conducted by the nation's Water and Power Development Authority (WAPDA). Currently, it's generating only 6,600MW of hydroelectric power, about 11% of the estimated potential. Media reports indicate that China is prepared to finance and build another 40,000MW capacity as part of the development of the Northern Indus Cascade region which begins in Skardu in Gilgit-Baltistan and runs through to Tarbela, the site of Pakistan’s biggest dam, in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province.

Diamer-Bhasha Water Storage:

Diamer-Bhasha project is located on Indus River, about 200 miles upstream from the existing Tarbela Dam, 100 miles downstream from the Northern Area capital Gilgit in Gilgit-Baltistan region. It will generate 4,500 MW of electricity and its reservoir will hold so much water that it could have averted recent devastating floods that affected large parts of Pakistan. It would also provide enough electricity to end Pakistan's crippling shortages, according to a report in the Guardian newspaper. The Diamer-Bhasha reservoir would be 50 miles long, holding 8.5 MAF (million acre feet) of water.

Response to Climate Change:

Pakistan has made only a small contribution to climate change through carbon emissions. And yet, it counts among the dozen or so nations considered most vulnerable to its damaging effects. These include rising temperatures, recurring cycles of floods and droughts and resulting disruption in food production.

One of the ways Pakistan can help reduce carbon emissions is by realizing its full hydroelectric potential by building more dams. The development of the Northern Indus Cascade region to generate 40,000MW of hydropower is a significant part of this effort.

Prerequisite for Economic Development:

Availability of abundant and cheap electricity has historically preceded rapid economic development in America, Europe and East Asia. Pakistan has an opportunity to meet this prerequisite by generating large amounts of clean renewable hydropower to meet its hunger for energy required for rapid economic growth in all sectors of the economy ranging from agriculture to manufacturing and services.

Summary:

Pakistan is endowed with significant amount of water and power resources that can be harnessed to enable rapid economic growth in all sectors of its economy. It appears that the Chinese investment, as part of China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, is now putting this goal within reach. Tens of thousands of megawatts of added electricity and millions of acre feet of additional water will hopefully transform Pakistan's economy and bring prosperity to its people.

Related Links:

Haq's Musings

Recurring Cycles of Drought and Floods in Pakistan

Pakistan's Response to Climate Change

Renewable Energy for Pakistan

LNG Imports in Pakistan

Growing Water Scarcity in Pakistan

China-Pakistan Economic Corridor

Ownership of Appliances and Vehicles in Pakistan

http://www.riazhaq.com/2017/05/pakistan-to-build-massive-dams-for.html

you know what they say? if it seems too good to be true, it usually isnt...

 

[sohail.ishaque]

I remember reading a previous thread that China had sold/leased dredgers to Pakistan. You know, the same dredgers that created the islands in the South China Sea. If these dredgers can't make the journey up the Indus river, then surely we could use the same technology on a smaller vessel/machine to suck up all the silt?

instead of using machines to suck up the silt, isn't it better to block the source of the silt and make the life of all the dams extend by 10 times. Most of the erosion and silt takes place in Skardu, which is a desert and alot of sand flows with it that fills up the following dams. So Skardu dam is a must as it blocks all the silt to stay where it is. and it is a massive reservoir also. Kalabagh on the other hand can be temporary solution but the permanent solution has to be the Skardu/Katzara dam, its construction will increase the life of Basha dam to 500 years and makes the same effect on the other dams..

Just imagine a dam which has a live of 700 years itself and add around 500 years of life to all the other following dams... i made a post sometime back, here is the link for complete details of it
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...nt-water-and-power.496592/page-2#post-9495016

 

[sohail.ishaque]

Kalabagh dam is a must. But its still a Short term solution.. Katzarah is a must,.. check what Gen Hamid Gul said about him

 

[Fledgingwings]

nope NJ is NOT A DAM
bhasha dam feasibility is ready since 2008 but govt refused to give WAPDA 50 billion rupees/yr for construction=3% of PSDP, this year budget(tech next govt 1st yr) it was finally approved

If NJ is not a dam then why wapda is charging pakistanis money through utility bills since 2005? like ptv fee ?

 

[ziaulislam]

If NJ is not a dam then why wapda is charging pakistanis money through utility bills since 2005? like ptv fee ?

its a hydro ELECTRIC project, NJ is charging money to build a hydro ELECTRIC project

there is difference between storage and electric dam, a project can be either (akhori primarily storage) or both(like bhaha) or purely electric like Dasu/bunji

this is what even educated people have no idea

instead of using machines to suck up the silt, isn't it better to block the source of the silt and make the life of all the dams extend by 10 times. Most of the erosion and silt takes place in Skardu, which is a desert and alot of sand flows with it that fills up the following dams. So Skardu dam is a must as it blocks all the silt to stay where it is. and it is a massive reservoir also. Kalabagh on the other hand can be temporary solution but the permanent solution has to be the Skardu/Katzara dam, its construction will increase the life of Basha dam to 500 years and makes the same effect on the other dams..

Just imagine a dam which has a live of 700 years itself and add around 500 years of life to all the other following dams... i made a post sometime back, here is the link for complete details of it
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...nt-water-and-power.496592/page-2#post-9495016

katzra dam is going to displace nearly all population of GB, its not feasible, there are many alternatives

I remember reading a previous thread that China had sold/leased dredgers to Pakistan. You know, the same dredgers that created the islands in the South China Sea. If these dredgers can't make the journey up the Indus river, then surely we could use the same technology on a smaller vessel/machine to suck up all the silt?

a desk study for tarbela desliting was completed, but later it was shelfed becasue of haste completion of down stream ghazi brotha

 

[sohail.ishaque]

its a hydro ELECTRIC project, NJ is charging money to build a hydro ELECTRIC project

katzra dam is going to displace nearly all population of GB, its not feasible, there are many alternatives

lol what a logic. according to this then there should be no dam built in this world because all the dams needs the displacement of people.
Have u read about 3 Gorges dam ?

"The massive project sets records for number of people displaced (more than 1.2 million), number of cities and towns flooded (13 cities, 140 towns, 1,350 villages), and length of reservoir (more than 600 kilometers). "

source : https://www.internationalrivers.org/campaigns/three-gorges-dam

And "NO".. There is no alternate to Katzarah dam... There is no dam with a lifespam of 1000 years and which increases the life of the downstream dams by more then 500 years... Bashad dam, Kalabagh dam, Tarbela dam, Mangla dam, and all other dams without Katzarah dam will be having an average life of around 40years each but with Katzarah built these dams can have a life of around 500 years plus..
it is said to be the 2nd most ideal spot for building a dam in the world and will be one of the world's very biggest dam. I think 2nd or 3rd in the list.. you can't have an alternate to that. your all dams will be gone after 50 years if you don't build this dam.

Alternates ??? plz enlighten me