Pakistan Tells MTCR That India's Missile Program Is 'A Danger To Regional Peace And Stability'

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You never demonstrated it. That's the point.



Never knew that Yakhont was land-based, ship, submarine & aircraft launched land attack & anti-ship missile.

Too bad;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-800_Oniks


Lol @ submarine based lmao.

Or buys from China & paints it green.

And makes Indian rectum bleed.

 

[gslv mk3]

Too bad;
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-800_Oniks

And what are you trying to prove ?

And makes Indian rectum bleed.

Unless you have any advantage over us. which you don't.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

And what are you trying to prove ?



Unless you have any advantage over us. which you don't.

Cruise missiles .. Sure we are ahead.

 

[Khafee]

True. But when Pakistan does demonstrate it, what will be your reaction?

 

[hussain0216]

Pipe dreams...

Up until a few days ago indians said the same thing about a SLCM

Its all coming their is nothing Pakistan won't do for its defence

 

[gslv mk3]

Cruise missiles .. Sure we are ahead.

And we are ahead in nearly every other technology related to missiles.

 

[The Deterrent]

There is a good chance that wouldn't happen any time soon.

Alright, as you say. But please don't say its fake, okay?

Need your opinion:
Do you think that Babur SLCM demonstrates a "guaranteed" second strike capability?

Of course please limit your answer to current capabilities/scenario.

Currently there is none. But when it is inducted operationally, still it won't give a guaranteed SS capability. Simply because its still a cruise missile, and its chances of interception are higher than a SLBM. We are nowhere close to implementing US/Russian/French models of second-strike.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Now what technology that might be, I wonder?

The technology to launch multiple satellites in a single launch, which form the technology base for Indian MIRV ambitions.

http://www.idsa.in/idsacomments/pslv-launches-20-satellites-in-single-mission_alele_280616

During the Cold War era, developments/experimentations in space technologies had a large nuclear weapons bias. The idea was to use these technologies (directly or indirectly) to enhance the lethality of the nuclear arsenal and showcase technological supremacy. Hence, the military focus of all efforts to launch multiple satellites. Also, major nuclear powers in that era were trying to test and demonstrate their MIRV (multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicle) capability – a single ballistic missile carrying several small warheads so as to aim at different targets spatially separated from each other. The launch of multiple satellites simultaneously allows a state to partially demonstrate the capability to possess MIRV technology. For MIRV, mastering re-entry technology for entering the earth’s atmosphere is important in addition to multiple launch technology.

 

[The Deterrent]

The technology to launch multiple satellites in a single launch, which form the technology base for Indian MIRV

http://www.idsa.in/idsacomments/pslv-launches-20-satellites-in-single-mission_alele_280616

Nope, launching multiple satellites is not a 'pre-requisite' for attaining MIRV capability. Its just the way India is doing it. ISRO's R&D will definitely be used by DRDO for Agni-VI and K-5.

Both are essentially the same. While MIRVs require ejection of RVs into their independent trajectories (which may or may not be suborbital), satellites require injection in their orbits. However, satellites are not required to re-enter, and thats where it gets difficult for a country not involved with nuclear ballistic missiles.

 

[Kinetic]

Good things ... so that nobody dares point at us when we do the same...

Except threatening and bombing you to stone age from drones.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Except threatening and bombing you to stone age from drones.

Not us but terrorists... Don't get your panties in a twist like ambassadors devyani.

 

[Basel]

India itself is part of MTCR.

Anyway how are Indian ICBMs effect Pakistan?

ICBM is not Pakistan's concern, but it's good that Pakistan is using it as good point to show its concern allowing expansion of Pakistani missile program.

 

[Peshwa]

Currently there is none. But when it is inducted operationally, still it won't give a guaranteed SS capability. Simply because its still a cruise missile, and its chances of interception are higher than a SLBM. We are nowhere close to implementing US/Russian/French models of second-strike.

Thanks for your pragmatic response.
So which component do you think is more imp to achieve this? The weapon itself (SLBM) or the vessel (nuke submarine)?
So given the testing of Babur slcm, what according to you serves as the purpose of the test? Because if it is more tactical than strategic, doesn't it leave a lot of room for a "disaster" scenario? As of now, to me it seems more a tech demo than a deterrence capability. Something to be build on for future capabilities.

 

[The Deterrent]

Thanks for your pragmatic response.
So which component do you think is more imp to achieve this? The weapon itself (SLBM) or the vessel (nuke submarine)?
So given the testing of Babur slcm, what according to you serves as the purpose of the test? Because if it is more tactical than strategic, doesn't it leave a lot of room for a "disaster" scenario? As of now, to me it seems more a tech demo than a deterrence capability. Something to be build on for future capabilities.

Both the SLBM and its host vessel (nuclear or conventional) are needed for that kind of guaranteed capability.

I'm afraid you misunderstand. Pakistan is basing its second strike capability on SLCMs only, just like Israel. However limited it may be, it still gives some degree of strategic deterrence even after Pakistan's land-based assets are compromised. So the purpose is nothing but to develop Babur-3 further, till it matures and is made part of the submersible fleet.

 

[Stag112]

India itself is part of MTCR.

Anyway how are Indian ICBMs effect Pakistan?

Actually indian Long range missiles are more of a threat to Pakistan economically than shorter range ones.

Samza karo. If you hit Pakistan what happens? China will build it by leasing more ports and land. But if China gets hit then???