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By Saeed Shah, McClatchy Newspapers

DERA ISMAIL KHAN , Pakistan — A new Islamic militia leader has emerged in Pakistan to openly challenge al Qaida -affiliated warlord Baitullah Mehsud for the first time from within his own tribe, marking the start of a bloody confrontation in the wild Waziristan region that could have profound consequences for both Pakistan and the West.

In his first interview with Western news reporters, Qari Zainuddin vowed this week to wipe out Mehsud and rescue Pakistan from a reign of terror that has pushed the nuclear-armed U.S. ally toward collapse.

Zainuddin charged that Mehsud, who is the leader of the Pakistani Taliban, had betrayed both his Muslim religion and the Mehsud tribe of his native South Waziristan , which borders Afghanistan .

"To fight our own country is wrong," said Zainuddin, in an interview given in a hideout on the edge of South Waziristan , surrounded by masked Kalashnikov-totting followers. "Islam doesn't give permission to fight against a Muslim country. This is where we differ. What we're seeing these days, these bombings in mosques, in markets, in hospitals; these are not allowed in Islam. We don't agree with them."


But victory will not mean any lessening of efforts to expel Westerners from neighboring Afghanistan , Zainuddin said. He pledged to send his forces into Afghanistan once Mehsud is vanquished.

"The whole Muslim world should come together because all infidels have come together against Islam. Whether it is Iraq , Afghanistan , Palestine, Chechnya, Muslims must protect ourselves," said Zainuddin, who has the title of "Qari" or someone who has memorized the entire Koran. "The problem is that we cannot go to Afghanistan these days because we have had to deal with Baitullah."

Zainuddin, who described himself as "real" Taliban , reportedly has gathered as many as 3,000 armed followers and is being secretly backed by the Pakistan state against Mehsud's, who has a $5 million U.S. bounty on his head as a "key al Qaida facilitator." Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al Zawahiri , are thought likely to be hiding in the South Waziristan region controlled by the Mehsud tribe.

A cult of throat-slitting and suicide bombing marks Mehsud's grim rule. His group has staged spectacular terrorist attacks across Pakistan and has an extremist network that spans the tribal borderland that runs along the Afghan border and reaches deep into the country.

On Saturday, Mehsud's commanders claimed responsibility for last week's devastating bombing of a luxury hotel in the north west city of Peshawar and the assassination of a prominent anti- Taliban cleric in the eastern city of Lahore .

Many believe that Mehsud can be defeated only by a member of his own clan. Zainuddin is a Mehsud and also he used to be part of Mehsud's network, giving him an intimate knowledge of its working and its members, a knowledge that the Pakistan army lacks.

Around a dozen Mehsud tribal chiefs, in separate meetings, told McClatchy that they supported Zainuddin but were afraid to speak publicly. Their fears were compounded by a deep suspicion of the Pakistani state and especially the army, which has made clandestine deals with Mehsud in the past.

"Not since the time of Alexander the Great have the Mehsud people suffered such slavery," said one tribal chief who asked not to be identified to protect himself. "We want to stand with Zainuddin but we don't trust the government. Three times in the past, they have made deals with Baitullah Mehsud. Generals have gone and eaten dinner with him. We are scared that the generals will make up with him again."


Zainuddin's private militia includes relatives of Mehsud's victims as well of some of Mehsud's own men who, Zainuddin said, are deserting. A powerful armed faction, known as the Turkistan group, which lives on the edge of South Waziristan around the town of Jandola, has already backed Zainuddin and currently provides much of his muscle, according to local tribesmen.

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A tribal "jirga" or meeting of Mehsud triable chiefs has been called for the coming week to decide whether to back Zainuddin.

"Now people's hearts have come alive," said Zainuddin, who sports a trim beard and speaks softly but with confidence. "Before, no one was willing to speak up against this brutality, these wrong things. Now people are willing to say that Baitullah Mehsud is a beast. God willing, the people are with us."

A vicious round of blood-letting between Zainuddin's fighters and Mehsud's men has already begun, with beheading the favorite mode of execution.

In a significant victory, Zainuddin's militia chased Mehsud's men out of the two major towns that lie close to South Waziristan , Dera Ismail Khan and Tank. Residents of the towns said that they felt liberated from a life of ever-present dread.

Mehsud, the de facto ruler of Waziristan, appears genuinely shaken by Zainuddin's challenge, according to Mehsud tribesmen, and has offered to carve out a separate territory for Zainuddin if he drops the fight.

But Zainuddin has a personal score to settle. His uncle and brother were murdered by Mehsud's men, who also looted and destroyed his family home in South Waziristan .

The Pakistan army is widely believed to be preparing to launch a military offensive against to follow the current operation against a branch of Mehsud's Taliban movement in the Swat valley. Long convoys of army vehicles were visible passing through Dera Ismail Khan and Tank towards South Waziristan on Friday and Saturday, while Makeen in South Waziristan , a village known as a Mehsud stronghold, was pounded by Pakistani jet fighters late on Friday.

Zainuddin would be key to any army offensive in South Waziristan , both to weaken Mehsud — he's beaten Pakistan's vast military three times — and to help track down Mehsud's supporters if his 10,000 heavily armed men melt into the local population.

Zainuddin said he hoped a fight could be avoided if the Mehsud tribe would "throw out" Baitullah Mehsud.

"We work differently to an army. They will do much damage and homes of ordinary people will do destroyed," said Zainuddin. "It is better that we Mehsuds take care of this."
 
Zainuddin, who described himself as "real" Taliban , reportedly has gathered as many as 3,000 armed followers and is being secretly backed by the Pakistan state

I guess some people never learn and keep making same mistake over and over again.

Three times in the past, they have made deals with Baitullah Mehsud. Generals have gone and eaten dinner with him

On one hand they claim they dont no his where abouts on the hand they enjoy meals with him.
 
Great stuff and a simple description for Zainuddin would be:

Yesterday my Enemy, today my Friend, tomorrow what?
Will tomorrow be My Nemesis, or will it just be My Enemy....


This will not solve anything in the long run as Pakistan will still harbour militants fighting in Afghanistan. :hitwall:
Pakistan will still harbour these now under government agreement.
The negative drone attacks will still continue.:tsk:

NO SOLUTION
Think again..
 
Great stuff and a simple description for Zainuddin would be:

Yesterday my Enemy, today my Friend, tomorrow what?
Will tomorrow be My Nemesis, or will it just be My Enemy....


This will not solve anything in the long run as Pakistan will still harbour militants fighting in Afghanistan. :hitwall:
Pakistan will still harbour these now under government agreement.
The negative drone attacks will still continue.:tsk:

NO SOLUTION
Think again..

Put on a back pack, tot a gun and tell them how to do it the right way .. You think its simple as the "easy button". These are the ways wars are fought .. some have to have lunch and diner with the enemy. Those people are risking their lives to rid the bigger evil instead of the so called "fighting to save the world" troops. Pakistan will not allow their land to become a failure like Afghanistan. We will employ whatever we can to bring results as soon as possible. If all goes well things will return to normal, if not we have to fight far fewer numbers to achieve the desired result later.
 
i think this is gud.
earlier zainullah said that he will stay neutral but now he is willin to fight mehsud.
its gud. let him, along with army, finish mehsud network. later we will think about him.
rit now there is no point in fightin those who dont wanna fight us. we need to set our priorities and move accordingly.
 
Put on a back pack, tot a gun and tell them how to do it the right way .. You think its simple as the "easy button".

Don’t tell me to wear a pack and carry a gun. I suspect you have not, so do it before you tell your elders who have actually done that.
Second it not a gun it is a rifle so learn that basic difference first.

These are the ways wars are fought .. some have to have lunch and diner with the enemy.
Oh I forgot I am talking with the experienced strategic war veteran. Pardon me.

Those people are risking their lives to rid the bigger evil instead of the so called "fighting to save the world" troops.
I was not even discussing anything other than Pakistan so do a bit of reading basics first.
Read what is there not what you think was there.

Pakistan will not allow their land to become a failure like Afghanistan.
Well you can very close to being that failure.

We will employ whatever we can to bring results as soon as possible. If all goes well things will return to normal, if not we have to fight far fewer numbers to achieve the desired result later.
You may not get that window of opportunity again. Life is fickle, particularly politicians and people.


How ever you want to pretend this will NOT stop the drone attacks as Zainuddin intends to carry on attacks in Afghanistan.
That brings the drones into Pakistan.
They will come because Pakistan has agreed to have Zainuddin in Pakistan.
 

By Saeed Shah, McClatchy Newspapers

DERA ISMAIL KHAN , Pakistan — A new Islamic militia leader has emerged in Pakistan to openly challenge al Qaida -affiliated warlord Baitullah Mehsud for the first time from within his own tribe, marking the start of a bloody confrontation in the wild Waziristan region that could have profound consequences for both Pakistan and the West.[/B]

if this guy can be trusted - then the govt should support his efforts but beware of the "Mahsud" promises!
 
Also provide him air support and army protection or he will assasinated soon by Mehsud.
 
Don’t tell me to wear a pack and carry a gun. I suspect you have not, so do it before you tell your elders who have actually done that.
Second it not a gun it is a rifle so learn that basic difference first.


Ill tell you whatever I want .. Do what you do best .. stick to your keyboard .. it not a gun ??? really? I was trying to be simple with the simple.. :)

Oh I forgot I am talking with the experienced strategic war veteran. Pardon me.

You forgot a lot of things.. If reading pathetic posts gave me a medal.. Id be decorated.

I was not even discussing anything other than Pakistan so do a bit of reading basics first.
Read what is there not what you think was there.


Our problem comes from our non participation in the American war with our troops. They have just sent over their problems for us to finish..
We know how to engage the enemy, unfortunately everyone just likes to prolong conflicts and keep spending that money through their peaceful consulates everywhere ..

Well you can very close to being that failure.

If this is a failure what do you call the tragedy in afghanitan .. Fortunately we are doing a lot better in way better time.. Amercian mess will be cleaned out and sent back before you can say "it not a gun"


You may not get that window of opportunity again. Life is fickle, particularly politicians and people.


How ever you want to pretend this will NOT stop the drone attacks as Zainuddin intends to carry on attacks in Afghanistan.
That brings the drones into Pakistan.
They will come because Pakistan has agreed to have Zainuddin in Pakistan.


If we can have two faced CIA agents running everywhere with our permission why not someone who says they are willing to protect this country? He says he wants to take his fight over the border and we are perfectly okay with that. I think the Americans are completely right in invading Afghanistan. They need to think about their security first, even expansion. That is their perogative. They should engage their problems and erradicate them .. with out help if needed .. This senario should not be the other way around..
 
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