Pakistan summons French, German diplomats

[Pak123]

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Monday reacted angrily to remarks by the top leaders of two key European countries, in which they accused Islamabad of using terror to extract political mileage.

The strong statements about Pakistan by German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Nicholas Sarkozy prompted the Foreign Office to summon the German and French envoys to express displeasure.
“The Foreign Office conveyed the government and the people of Pakistan’s disappointment separately to the Ambassador of France and the German Charge d’ Affaires in Islamabad over the reported remarks by President Nicolas Sarkozy and Chancellor Angela Merkel relating to Pakistan, following their meeting with the Indian prime minister in New Delhi and Berlin, respectively,” said an official handout.

Merkel reportedly asked Pakistan not to use terror as a means to seek an end to a political problem at a press conference during the recently concluded visit by the Indian prime minister to Berlin.

Separately during a visit to India, French President Sarkozy had accused Pakistan of allowing ‘safe havens’ to extremists in its tribal border areas and said it was ‘unacceptable’ that terror networks could find refuge in Pakistan and use it as a springboard to attack India, French troops in Afghanistan or other countries.

The Foreign Office statement said Pakistan was surprised and disappointed at the remarks by the two leaders.

“Both France and Germany are well aware of the great sacrifices being rendered by Pakistan in the ongoing fight against terrorism. Therefore, incriminating Pakistan in the context of terrorism is unjustified and uncalled for,” it added.

Responding to the demarche, the German charge d’ affaires said the chancellor’s remarks had been misquoted. Chancellor Merkel had outlined the general principles of Germany’s counterterrorism policy and her remarks were not Pakistan-specific, he assured.

Source: Politically incorrect: Pakistan summons French, German diplomats – The Express Tribune

 

[Bang Galore]

Wasn't the general consensus of Pakistani members that they said no such thing & it was all bad reporting from the Indian media. Guess your foreign office thinks differently after all.

 

[Adios Amigo]

Hi,
Given the fact Pakistan is passing through one of the most harshest time in its brief history..... Fighting a war which has no foreseeable end..... no recognizable enemy.... and even for some....no justifiable reason,for its very own....An almost sunk economy.... every child and even those who aren't even born yet, immersed in debt till their eyes..... lost thousands of its men,women,children, apart from the thousands of its soldiers on its so called WOT.....A country literally without a Foreign policy.... A failing political system... A tug of war between its newly independent judiciary, which earned its independence from a so called mini revolution, and the current government in power...the political hay-hos even amongst the ruling coalition.... the known and unknown parties involved in the mass killings on the streets of its biggest city....its economic hub..... the leg pulling amongst the provinces and then.... the center and provinces.... Above all that.... when you look at the rulers... you find those and only those who would anybody around the globe tag as criminals, corrupts, looters and murderers, to say the least...... When the president has loads of cases pending upon.... when the Interior minister is a convicted criminal.....when the minister for religious affairs is involved in haj scams...... when defense ministers openly state on national televisions, That corruption is their due right...... when these ministers are caught from brothel houses..... When the Country's own Ambassador relates his country to a whore in the host country.... hell, when the president mercilessly leaves his masses to wrath of nature and floods... and take a world tour, visit his private palaces..... hell even when he visits Britain, even with their PMs clear insulting remarks about your country...... despite the public extreme displeasure...... Where the heck you expect them to show anyone some backbone?????

My country men, wake-up and smell some Coffee....... What you are seeing is just a drama and nothing more........Whom do you expect to stand up to those who are saying nasty things about you and your country??? Look around, the world is laughing at you..... and that too not on your back.... but right in your face!! You are a mob without any leadership.... A real crazy gone wild mob.....and no more of a nation.....which the world has any thing to fear off.....Neither they have any respect for you..... With all those hundred and seventy million strong people... with all that heavy military power.....where do you really rank yourself?

Looking at things from another angle......its has now become a norm.... the two policies..... one, "Please India Policy" which the west would do whenever they visit India......the reasons well known.... the other, "Blame Pakistan Policy" which India would do whenever they visit someone....... that too was understandable till now...... But now the the Indian are taking Blame Pakistan Policy abroad with them.....on each and every visit.... that's point one of their agenda..... still no problem till now........ But the world is buying it now..... That is a Problem dear...... And yes a big one!

Call it Indian paranoia......their obsession with Pakistan or what ever you like...... But now its biting us and biting us hard...... only if you have the sense to feel it.......

Had their been a true and genuine leadership in Pakistan..... one whose roots would have been in the masses and not in the west...one which would have considered themselves and the masses as ONE..... No one would have dared to say a word about your country.....let alone associating you with terrorism...... Despite all the problems that you face....Look around ....Iran is a perfect example.....
Until you don't have one.... this mocking and ridiculing will continue and keep on growing....... Your miseries will be exploited then healed...... Until You as a nation built in the inner strength...... the real values... the will to stand against the current evils and norms, and stand united... don't expect any better treatment!

We don't need any certificate from anyone that " You are not a terrorist state"......Nor we need any certificate to....commend our sufferings and efforts in war on terror..... If we are doing so....we are willfully surrendering our sovereignty to them.....Why cry then?



The current summoning and Protests... is just a peace of crap...expect more of those insulting comments in the future and from more countries..... unless we change!







Adios!

 

[silent hill]

pakistan should order nato to get the F out of afghanistan, enuf is enuf

 

[GentlemanObserver]

Wasn't the general consensus of Pakistani members that they said no such thing & it was all bad reporting from the Indian media. Guess your foreign office thinks differently after all.

The consensus is not just of PDF members but that of ministers and policy makers, the reason the French and Germans diplomats have been summoned is because of Sarkozy's Off the cuff remarks and Chancellor Merkel's statement (WHICH SHE LATER "RETRACTED")

 

[T-Faz]

Wasn't the general consensus of Pakistani members that they said no such thing & it was all bad reporting from the Indian media. Guess your foreign office thinks differently after all.

Could you please quote or link to this 'general consensus' that you are referring to.

A number of members posted on those threads, so a majority would have shared the sentiments you have stated to make a general consensus across the board.

I look forwrd to reading the 'general consensus'.

 

[sensenreason]

The consensus is not just of PDF members but that of ministers and policy makers, the reason the French and Germans diplomats have been summoned is because of Sarkozy's Off the cuff remarks and Chancellor Merkel's statement (WHICH SHE LATER "RETRACTED")

I dont understand the problem Pakistan have when foreign leaders call their country a supporter of terrorism.Im sure most PDF members from Pakistan would have donated money to the likes of JUD.

Anti-India specific militant groups have thrived openly or covertly in Pakistan for more than 25 years now either in support or Khalistan or Kashmir or something else.

Not just that Mujhaideen trained and funded by Pakistan fought Soviets in Afghanistan. Taliban is a Pak backed group.So Im not sure where the ambiguity is...

Pakistan has repeatedly agreed to stop sending terrorists to India but not taken action...

Ofcourse, what hasnt been done is for Pak media to carry this news extensively for local viewership. As Musharraf mentioned militancy has local support in Pakistan from the so-called peace loving people of the country.

I have read editorials in papers like DAWN that called for stopping support to these militant groups by the Govt as they have harmed Pakistan also.....

After 71 defeat, clandestine Nuclear bomb development and insurgency was immediately adopted by Pakistan.Starting initially with Khalistan and going onto Kashmir. This involvement in these activities was full blown - eg BCCI was used by ISI/CIA to fund insurgents and terrorists and peddle in drugs.AQ Khan network was allowed by US and others to thrive as they wanted Pakistan to have a bomb to control India and other purposes.

All this is well documented, the role and rise of militancy as a terror policy and the development of Nuclear bomb and trading of its parts.

All in policy making are well aware of these things...ofcourse publically from time to time deniability is manintained as consequences can follow if Intl laws are broken.

So I find this protesting of Pakistan to France or whomsoever funny...not because they dont have the right to protest neither because the countries will not try and dilute the criticism to suit Pakistani ears...but more because it shows that they NOT ready to let go of these policies.

Pakistan's demands are ALL illegitimate and hence it needs to put its house in order before expecting India to respond to its needs.Indian public will not allow GOI to give in to Pakistan blackmail policies.Pakistan's alliance with China and dalliance with US is dangerous for the country, region and the world.

Tit for tat is not good policy....but Pakistani elite doesnt want to listen they have a India fetish...match or exceed whatever India does...period.Common Pakistani people have been bought into this arguement by demonising India from a 'moral' standpoint and once you do so India can NEVER convince the common people of anything it ever wants...

This is the reality.

 

[alam.saquiba]

pakistan should order NATO to get the F out of afghanistan, enuf is enuf

And NATO will pull out from Afghanistan... ha ha ha...

 

[GentlemanObserver]

I dont understand the problem Pakistan have when foreign leaders call their country a supporter of terrorism.Im sure most PDF members from Pakistan would have donated money to the likes of JUD.

Anti-India specific militant groups have thrived openly or covertly in Pakistan for more than 25 years now either in support or Khalistan or Kashmir or something else.

Not just that Mujhaideen trained and funded by Pakistan fought Soviets in Afghanistan. Taliban is a Pak backed group.So Im not sure where the ambiguity is...

Pakistan has repeatedly agreed to stop sending terrorists to India but not taken action...

Ofcourse, what hasnt been done is for Pak media to carry this news extensively for local viewership. As Musharraf mentioned militancy has local support in Pakistan from the so-called peace loving people of the country.

I have read editorials in papers like DAWN that called for stopping support to these militant groups by the Govt as they have harmed Pakistan also.....

After 71 defeat, clandestine Nuclear bomb development and insurgency was immediately adopted by Pakistan.Starting initially with Khalistan and going onto Kashmir. This involvement in these activities was full blown - eg BCCI was used by ISI/CIA to fund insurgents and terrorists and peddle in drugs.AQ Khan network was allowed by US and others to thrive as they wanted Pakistan to have a bomb to control India and other purposes.

All this is well documented, the role and rise of militancy as a terror policy and the development of Nuclear bomb and trading of its parts.

All in policy making are well aware of these things...ofcourse publically from time to time deniability is manintained as consequences can follow if Intl laws are broken.

So I find this protesting of Pakistan to France or whomsoever funny...not because they dont have the right to protest neither because the countries will not try and dilute the criticism to suit Pakistani ears...but more because it shows that they NOT ready to let go of these policies.

Pakistan's demands are ALL illegitimate and hence it needs to put its house in order before expecting India to respond to its needs.Indian public will not allow GOI to give in to Pakistan blackmail policies.Pakistan's alliance with China and dalliance with US is dangerous for the country, region and the world.

Tit for tat is not good policy....but Pakistani elite doesnt want to listen they have a India fetish...match or exceed whatever India does...period.Common Pakistani people have been bought into this arguement by demonising India from a 'moral' standpoint and once you do so India can NEVER convince the common people of anything it ever wants...

This is the reality.

I dont understand the problem Pakistan have when foreign leaders call their country a supporter of terrorism.

Proof? By that statement the intelligence agencies of the US, the UK, Israel and any other country that use means to control it's external security threats are also supporting terrorism?

Im sure most PDF members from Pakistan would have donated money to the likes of JUD.

That is a VERY serious allegation and i would ask you to provide proof if you have any to support this ludicrous claim. Most members on PDF have lost: Family, Friends, Colleagues and fellow countrymen to Terrorism... Did you know that?

Anti-India specific militant groups have thrived openly or covertly in Pakistan for more than 25 years now either in support or Khalistan or Kashmir or something else.

And you are telling me that India's hands are clean? Are you really that naive or just blinded by your own preconceived albeit flawed righteousness?

Not just that Mujhaideen trained and funded by Pakistan fought Soviets in Afghanistan. Taliban is a Pak backed group.So Im not sure where the ambiguity is...

So Mujhaideen were funded by Pakistan? Were we alone in that endeavour?... Guess What:

Front row, from left: Major Gen. Hamid Gul, director general of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), Director of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Willian Webster; Deputy Director for Operations Clair George; an ISI colonel; and senior CIA official, Milt Bearden at a mujahedeen training camp in North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan in 1987.

So you say Pakistan is a terrorist state because we supported an insurgency... As did America, are they not terrorists by that definition?

Pakistan has repeatedly agreed to stop sending terrorists to India but not taken action...

You really think it's that easy?....

Ofcourse, what hasnt been done is for Pak media to carry this news extensively for local viewership. As Musharraf mentioned militancy has local support in Pakistan from the so-called peace loving people of the country.

You see here you exhibit your prejudices towards Pakistanis... When you see a Pakistani, this is the image that comes in your mind:

Whereas the average Pakistani is more concerned about:

Do you honestly think people like these who can hardly afford a day's meal can afford to "donate" to international terrorism? GET REAL!

After 71 defeat, clandestine Nuclear bomb development and insurgency was immediately adopted by Pakistan.Starting initially with Khalistan and going onto Kashmir. This involvement in these activities was full blown - eg BCCI was used by ISI/CIA to fund insurgents and terrorists and peddle in drugs.AQ Khan network was allowed by US and others to thrive as they wanted Pakistan to have a bomb to control India and other purposes.

Starting initially with Khalistan and going onto Kashmir. This

Your Overestimating Pakistan....

AQ Khan network was allowed by US and others to thrive as they wanted Pakistan to have a bomb to control India and other purposes.

Oh really... Is that why the put sanctions on us?

All this is well documented, the role and rise of militancy as a terror policy and the development of Nuclear bomb and trading of its parts.

So wait the BOMB it was made by the "Terrorists"... If that is the case then why haven't they used it, afterall terrorists don't care for thier lives we have seen that.. Why not go out in a big bang with MAD?

GET REAL...

All in policy making are well aware of these things...ofcourse publically from time to time deniability is manintained as consequences can follow if Intl laws are broken.

What international laws? What nonsense are you on about?

So I find this protesting of Pakistan to France or whomsoever funny...not because they dont have the right to protest neither because the countries will not try and dilute the criticism to suit Pakistani ears...but more because it shows that they NOT ready to let go of these policies.

1. Nobody cares what you think... This is a matter of foreign policy and international relations between Pakistan and Germany/France...

2. Pakistan has sacrificed MORE soldiers and lives to combat terrorism than any other country...
Pak Institute for Peace Studies (PIPS), Independent Think Tank in Pakistan

Pakistan's demands are ALL illegitimate and hence it needs to put its house in order before expecting India to respond to its needs.Indian public will not allow GOI to give in to Pakistan blackmail policies.Pakistan's alliance with China and dalliance with US is dangerous for the country, region and the world.

1. What they heck you are trying to dictate who we can and can't be allies with GTFO!

2. Sort your own House OUT

3.INDIA is NO ONE to dictate to Pakistan on how we should run our country!!!!

Tit for tat is not good policy....but Pakistani elite doesnt want to listen they have a India fetish...

I think you will find our elite have a fetish with $
& not INDIA
Stop giving yourself so much importance and deflate that ego of yours.

Common Pakistani people have been bought into this arguement by demonising India from a 'moral' standpoint and once you do so India can NEVER convince the common people of anything it ever wants...

Again with your prejudice... I have visited India twice... Am i demonised or do i have a hatred for India? NO

My neighbours travel to India every year to visit relatives across the border are they demonized? NO

You are judging an entire NATION with a single brush stroke, for god's sake open your eyes put your own prejudices behind you and smell the coffee... We don't hate INDIA, we are more concerned about making PAKISTAN successful and strong, a confrontation with India will serve us naught....

This is the reality.

No... This, Is, BULLSHIT!

 

[Adios Amigo]

I dont understand the problem Pakistan have when foreign leaders call their country a supporter of terrorism.

You don't understand......because you don't want to understand....You simply want to paste it on Pakistan as your very government!

Im sure most PDF members from Pakistan would have donated money to the likes of JUD.
Anti-India specific militant groups have thrived openly or covertly in Pakistan for more than 25 years now either in support or Khalistan or Kashmir or something else.

Dont know about who contributed and whom not.....but yes there have been sweeping support in general masses regarding Kashmir.... Its a legit cause..... Whomsoever will raise voice for Kashmir will get massive support from the masses.....Be it JUD, Or HUM or any other group. Now this is the point for you to understand!

Not just that Mujhaideen trained and funded by Pakistan fought Soviets in Afghanistan.

Back then we were doing a good job .....Infact it was an excellent job..... Ask your new global friends..... whats their say on this.

Taliban is a Pak backed group.So Im not sure where the ambiguity is...

Yes Taliban was a Pakistan backed group......Pakistan backed it for anything but to cut down the minority Indian supported group called Northern Alliance...... You were playing a proxy war in our backyard...... So we had to counter check...... In which you declare India as an innocent....... Its has all its hands dirty in the time line.
BTW before 9/11, Taliban weren't even tagged as terrorists!

Pakistan has repeatedly agreed to stop sending terrorists to India but not taken action...

Pakistan never sent any terrorists to India..... It doesn't need to.... And it would take actions as it deems fit..... All those actions that took place are a fall out of a core problem..... and you guys need to realize its intensity and be sincere in its solution.

Ofcourse, what hasnt been done is for Pak media to carry this news extensively for local viewership. As Musharraf mentioned militancy has local support in Pakistan from the so-called peace loving people of the country.

Remember the local support is just for Kashmir.... Nothing else.... Anything else has no support......And yes peace loving country it is..... but just for peace loving ones....not for those who are involved in constant back stabbing..... breaking us into two by very active involvement.....involved in proxy wars in our backyard..... Do you really believe any love for peace would be left????

After 71 defeat, clandestine Nuclear bomb development and insurgency was immediately adopted by Pakistan.

Dont mix things up...... 71 was defeat.... accepted...... but more at home then by anyone else..... why didn't you highlight India's role in 71???? didn't you expect a natural reaction???...... Nuclear bomb??????? that was a response.... to the bomb that you guys tested in 74, through misuse(stolen) of ....Atoms for peace Program..... You left no options for Pakistan.... It had to develop it to get parity...... had you not done it in the first place .... Pakistan would have never developed it! As far as the insurgency is concerned...... it was always started by the Kashmirs living on both sides of the border..... the Locals only supported their cause. Talking of Insurgency....... India did the biggest insurgency by entering 700,000 of its troops into the disputed region of Kashmir.

This involvement in these activities was full blown - eg BCCI was used by ISI/CIA to fund insurgents and terrorists and peddle in drugs.

Then have some courage and also label......America as Terrorists...... Would you?

AQ Khan network was allowed by US and others to thrive

This line got to be a Joke!

All this is well documented, the role and rise of militancy as a terror policy and the development of Nuclear bomb and trading of its parts.

Wow try a bit hard..... may be you find the missing link between Militancy......and the nuclear bomb!

All in policy making are well aware of these things...ofcourse publically from time to time deniability is manintained as consequences can follow if Intl laws are broken.

hum............. it equates to both sides.... I guess tilts a bit more to the Indian side.

So I find this protesting of Pakistan to France or whomsoever funny...not because they dont have the right to protest neither because the countries will not try and dilute the criticism to suit Pakistani ears...but more because it shows that they NOT ready to let go of these policies.

I find this effort of India funny....where it tries to ask everyone and anyone to blame Pakistan....and label it .... you very well know the core problems.... but you would never show the courage to solve them..... Pity on such a nation who dreams of becoming a superpower.... and adopts such tactics!

Pakistan's demands are ALL illegitimate and hence it needs to put its house in order before expecting India to respond to its needs.Indian public will not allow GOI to give in to Pakistan blackmail policies.

So do the Pakistan think about India..... And its masses would never allow its government to give in to blackmail policies of India. If Kashmir is a blackmail policy so be it..... but why did you accepted this... to be disputed in the UN?

Tit for tat is not good policy....but Pakistani elite doesnt want to listen they have a India fetish...match or exceed whatever India does...period.Common Pakistani people have been bought into this arguement by demonising India from a 'moral' standpoint and once you do so India can NEVER convince the common people of anything it ever wants...

This is the reality

That was not reality but an attempt to run from the reality......... You very well know what the reality is!






Adios!

 

[somebozo]

Indians are good at writing bollywood scripts and should stick to that..

 

[Yeti]

If Pakistan brings the 26/11 culprits to justice the composite dialogue can start but i doubt the civilian goverment is capable even if they wanted too

 

[sensenreason]

Dont mix things up...... 71 was defeat.... accepted...... but more at home then by anyone else..... why didn't you highlight India's role in 71???? didn't you expect a natural reaction???...... Nuclear bomb??????? that was a response.... to the bomb that you guys tested in 74, through misuse(stolen) of ....Atoms for peace Program..... You left no options for Pakistan.... It had to develop it to get parity...... had you not done it in the first place .... Pakistan would have never developed it! As far as the insurgency is concerned...... it was always started by the Kashmirs living on both sides of the border..... the Locals only supported their cause. Talking of Insurgency....... India did the biggest insurgency by entering 700,000 of its troops into the disputed region of Kashmir.

Then have some courage and also label......America as Terrorists...... Would you? This line got to be a Joke!

Wow try a bit hard..... may be you find the missing link between Militancy......and the nuclear bomb!

hum............. it equates to both sides.... I guess tilts a bit more to the Indian side.

I find this effort of India funny....where it tries to ask everyone and anyone to blame Pakistan....and label it .... you very well know the core problems.... but you would never show the courage to solve them..... Pity on such a nation who dreams of becoming a superpower.... and adopts such tactics!

So do the Pakistan think about India..... And its masses would never allow its government to give in to blackmail policies of India. If Kashmir is a blackmail policy so be it..... but why did you accepted this... to be disputed in the UN?

That was not reality but an attempt to run from the reality......... You very well know what the reality is!

Adios!

While I will come back later and comment on all the response..Let me highlight some major points

Reaction to 71 defeat is not a reaction but a gross over reaction.Ive not addressed India's role..so here it is..India's actions were a response to unprecendented refugee inflows to India and secondly to growing disquiet to the mass crimes committed by PA.May I ask why Rahman was not acceptable to West Pakistan? Anyhow, India did take what I call opportunistic but aggresive action.This was Indira Gandhi driven action.She had more centralised power in her hands than many PM's before and after her..90k PA armymen were set free.Despite the strong position India was in it asked Pakistan to sign Shimla agreement..a very benign agreement...read what happened after WW2 to understand what how benign it was...In other words, 71 war was a strategic and military operation with little internal discussion or planning.

Pakistan started building the bomb in 72 BEFORE and not after India's test in 74.

Eat Grass and 1000 cuts to India strategy was devised post 71 defeat.Its a policy of Pakistan not some isolated action of a extremist.

Wrong on Kashmir as well, 1989 insurgency was PAKISTAN based militant groups driven and not home grown...no amount of your propaganda can change that.The troops went there after the 89 terror attacks started and they arent 700k and even in a peaceful Kashmir there would be sizeable number because it has border with Pakistan.

The link between militancy and bomb is one that there origins are probably at the same time.While AQK was assembling the bomb with his smuggling network from Netherlands, CIA was using you guys for help in ousting Soviets from Kabul.They looked the other side wrt bomb making efforts becoz they needed your help in Kabul. In terms of whether US is also a terror state to that extent OFCOURSE it is as well.David Headley wrt 26/11 is a good example.

No one blames everything on Pakistan here for timepass.The problem is that there are some politicians and other elite people who have direct or indirect links to ISI and have not done enough to roll these Pakistani policies back...

Eg: BCCI which you know had its terror linkages was allowed by Dr Manmohan Singh to operate in India even when people complained about it....immediately thereafter he was admitted to the Congress Party.While this could be circumstantial and tenous allegation to make but the agreement in Sharm-al Sheikh went against all that Congress Govt was saying at home.Only a vigilant media forced the Govt to revise this stand....

This is not to say Indians dont want peace with Pakistan but they dont want to be terrorised into anything or coerced.

 

[T90TankGuy]

pakistan should order nato to get the F out of afghanistan, enuf is enuf

ohhh ! sorry did not know it belonged to you..

 

[cybertron]

Proof? By that statement the intelligence agencies of the US, the UK, Israel and any other country that use means to control it's external security threats are also supporting terrorism?

No they are not supporting organisations which carry out attacks on normal people of another country.

That is a VERY serious allegation and i would ask you to provide proof if you have any to support this ludicrous claim. Most members on PDF have lost: Family, Friends, Colleagues and fellow countrymen to Terrorism... Did you know that?

he made that argument coz here in india we belive pakistani's take JuD as a charitable organisation and deny any connection with LeT

And you are telling me that India's hands are clean? Are you really that naive or just blinded by your own preconceived albeit flawed righteousness?

INDIAN hands arent clean, yes their were some support for organisations in india but we have rectified our mistakes and every indian can now proudly say that we dont support terrorism any more, and we have not been proved contrary by anyone.

So Mujhaideen were funded by Pakistan? Were we alone in that endeavour?... Guess What:

Front row, from left: Major Gen. Hamid Gul, director general of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI), Director of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Willian Webster; Deputy Director for Operations Clair George; an ISI colonel; and senior CIA official, Milt Bearden at a mujahedeen training camp in North-West Frontier Province of Pakistan in 1987.

So you say Pakistan is a terrorist state because we supported an insurgency... As did America, are they not terrorists by that definition?

well look at the irony
the same country which you helped to form the mujahidds are now accusing you of supporting them.

You really think it's that easy?....

No its not easy
INDIA is not requesting or asking pakistan to destroy the camps in a single day or so. Any word by pakistan and pakistani's against those who kill our brothers would be a big thing for india and indian's. An intend atleast is the right way forward. Yes the mumbai trials are a way to show its support to people of india.

You see here you exhibit your prejudices towards Pakistanis... When you see a Pakistani, this is the image that comes in your mind:

believe it or not it isnt

Whereas the average Pakistani is more concerned about:

and you believe an average indian is obsessed with pakistan.Heck many of them even dont know what pakistan is. Get some life dear. We netizens dont make even a percent of our population who starve everyday.
Do you think they care about all these halla bhalla
no they dont.want to see real indians look the same images you posted they look the same and r the same.

Your Overestimating Pakistan....

dont know where u got that impression from

1. Nobody cares what you think... This is a matter of foreign policy and international relations between Pakistan and Germany/France...

well we care

2. Pakistan has sacrificed MORE soldiers and lives to combat terrorism than any other country...
Pak Institute for Peace Studies (PIPS), Independent Think Tank in Pakistan

plz think why it is so
its because you supported terrorists once and you are paying it with lives of your brothers. It is very sad but true.

You are judging an entire NATION with a single brush stroke, for god's sake open your eyes put your own prejudices behind you and smell the coffee... We don't hate INDIA, ....

well u are one among a million, heck pakistani's even hate our culture and religion leave alone our people
the amount of hate i find in this forum for hinduism and indian's is extreme.