Pakistan Successfully Tested Babur 3 Cruise Missile launch from Submarine : ISPR

[Windjammer]

Meanwhile the missile has caused a massive MOD EDIT heart attack across the border:


Pakistan's Babur Missile Test Claim May Be Fake, Navy Sources Tell NDTV
NEW DELHI: A day after Pakistan tweeted a video of what it claimed was the test launch of its Babur missile, claiming a giant leap in its naval nuclear programme, top sources have said that the video may be fudged.

The video showed the missile exiting the water after apparently being launched from a submarine, cruising towards and then striking its target.

Oddly, two missiles, not one, are seen in the video; one missile that emerges from the water is grey and another shown in a subsequent shot is orange.




(CLEAR PIC OF LAUNCH-- indian navy cant monitor for shyt)
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Grey missile..


Sources in the Indian Navy, which monitors such activity, have confirmed to NDTV that there was no missile test off the coast of Pakistan yesterday.

The video may have older footage, they say.


While Pakistan claimed launching the missile from a submarine yesterday, the Navy is convinced the test shown in the video is from a submerged floating launch test platform which measures various parameters of the missile once it's launched underwater. Integration of the missile with Pakistan fleet of Agosta 90B submarine is unlikely to have taken place.

On Monday, Pakistan claimed its "first successful test of the Babur missile" implying that it has completed its nuclear triad since it already has land-based ballistic missiles as well as tactical nuclear bombs that it can drop from its fighter aircraft.

The Babur has a range of at least 450 km.

Pakistan's military media wing was quoted by Reuters as saying: "Pakistan eyes this hallmark development as a step towards reinforcing the policy of credible minimum deterrence."

One can clearly see the pattern and the mentality of the Indians.
Surgical strikes claims = aggression against Pakistan.....we have the video but not a thread of evidence is presented but hey for Indians it's the gospel truth.
Pakistan tests missile = no aggression involved....claims backed by solid evidence in the shape of images and footage....but hey the Indians have a problem with their vision, they are experiencing both grey and double vision... like some one turned giddy by repeated blows to the head..... and kudos to the Indian media, it surely knows how to nurture a billion Ostriches.

 

[The Deterrent]

I honestly considered twitter user raj47 as considerably good satellite imagery expert. I have been surprised by his ability to accurately identify special weapons related facilities (not all but most).
But after yesterday he has completely gone bonkers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/818467434885771268

Here he compares two screen grabs from obviously cropped, separate clips from the same flight, and somehow imagines that it was one continuous shot, and then calculates the speed. Logic?

https://twitter.com/x/status/818583784383651840

And here, again he presents a screen grab showing a "canister", whereas if the whole video is watched, it is observed that its actually two different launch scenes, the merger of which he is showing. In effect, the missile from the first scene is what he is terming as a canister here.
(Take note that a canister was of course involved, more accurately called a capsule, but it was ejected way lower, as a splash can be seen near the exit point over water).

Lastly for those questioning the color, Babur has always had a red/white stripes paint scheme for testing, enabling easy visual detection and subsequent tracking (probably for escorting fighter pilots). Its just the bad video quality, something we have always criticized. More tests will follow suit, and soon we'll have better launch videos for the public.

Edit: I don't know what kind of fits these morons will throw after we unveil the MIRVed system. Let me write before-hand some things that they will say:
1. Its just an SLV.
2. It just jettisons multiple warheads, they are not guided because pakis don't have any knowledge of independent trajectory insertions.
3. It looks so fragile, its not mobile.
4. The range is not enough for independent trajectory insertions.
5. China gifted it to Pakistan.
and so on.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Looks like three different videos joined together

one is the launch which appears from under the water ,

Then red color missile in mid flight.

Now notice the change in the size of missile (in 3rd frame ), , it actually looked like attack helicopter shooting at the target. Pakistanis please explain this change of color and physical character of missile.

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how did they intercept Babur I,Babur II and RAAD ALCM launches

 

[LeGenD]

lol USA was trying to monitor Pakistani missile launch and to do so as the RADAR was not detecting they pushed near and near. Iran and USA got shots fired.

Any proof of your claim?

 

[graphican]

Looks like three different videos joined together

one is the launch which appears from under the water ,

Then red color missile in mid flight.

Now notice the change in the size of missile (in 3rd frame ), , it actually looked like attack helicopter shooting at the target. Pakistanis please explain this change of color and physical character of missile.

View attachment 367397

• You can lay your doubts to rest. First clear image of launching missile is now available, officially released by ISPR.
• I am attaching third clip's enlarged snapshot which you claim was "red". In the zoomed view, you can see it has white strip as the first image does.

Clear image of launch.

Image from the second clip, taken at 0:16.

 

[SHAH820]

The claim seems is fake

https://twitter.com/x/status/818467434885771268

are you drunk or some thing you posted a pic and saying missile is moving with a speed of 15 km/s this video is not shot by a whole rather it was shot in pieces the missile path is known by the army when missile was launch it was filmed then when the missile reached a specific location it was filmed their and when the missile hit the target it was filmed there whole missile path was not filmed cause it will be hours long video

 

[Taimoor Khan]

For Sea Based deterrence , numbers do matter.Noticed that all the nations with sea based nukes have a minimum of 4 SSBNs ?

This ensures that at any given time we have 1 SSBN ready.

@Penguin can also help here.

You can have 50s of those SSBN, BUT if you havent demonstrated a single of them to be able to fire SLCM or SLBM successfully, that means the status of your second strike capability is questionable.

 

[The Deterrent]

Number of MCTR Technologies produced by the following nations out of total 94 technologies:

India : 81
China : 92
Iran: 21
Israel: 74
Turkey: 4
USA:94
UK:94
Russia:94
France: 93
Japan: 93
Saudi Arabia:0
North Korea:25
South Africa : 34
Pakistan : 39
South Korea: 42
Vietnam: 0


source = official MCTR website

now India is a member of MCTR so they will get rest of the 13 technologies too .

you can compare south Africa , Korea & Pakistan .................but comparison of India & Pakistan is wrong .

Number of MTCR technologies stopping Pakistan from sending India back into stone-age in case of a (nuclear) war
= 0.
Savvy?

 

[wasileo80]

Was it, If so then why don't any of the 5 major nuclear powers, use torpedo lunched cruise missiles as their primary second strike armament ?

Because for this they has to go near to enemy shores and this would be suicidal because those five nations have very advance military hardware to detect targets near to their shores. So for credible second strike capability those nations developed SSN for attck and SSBN having ICBM so that they can safely hit the enemy while they are thousands of miles away from their boundries. Got it or not. But this is not the case in India Pakistan scenario.

 

[CriticalThought]

It depends on what you want your carrier force and navy to be able to do. As is, neither the French nor the Brits are by themselves in a position to have 1 carrier at a 1 particular spot indefinitely, unlike the USN. That doesn 't mean the Brits or French cannot and do not have an effective carrier strike group that they can send out out area for some time.

Consider that there is a reason why India is aiming for a 3 carriers force (i.e. 1 available for each coast, plus a spare) and China for a 4 carrier force in the near-to-medium term. There also is a reason why the UK is trying very hard to have 2 CV hulls, rather than just 1. And France is known to have some desire for a second PA. (Thus, for a hypothetical purely European force, one would have 3-4 carriers). Con sider USSR built 4 Kiev class and 1 Kuznetsov class while a 2nd was close to completion (now Liaoning) and an even larger carrier Ulyanovsk started building with a 2nd one projected (i.e. 4 'small' VTOL cariers + 4 large[r] STOBAR carriers).

These numbers are not a coincidence. There is a reason the USN attempts to maintain at least 10 carriers (i.e. to be able to deal with two regional contingencies simultaneously.)
http://www.heritage.org/research/re...-regional-contingency-military-for-21-century

Bottom-Up Review: Analysis of Key Dod Assumptions
https://books.google.nl/books?id=uScLAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=10+carriers+"regional+conflicts"&source=bl&ots=lB4kVsxair&sig=Sa-eX9tku1f4elwGBztGEO9vD5o&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ4v3trLfRAhUB1xoKHaCdCikQ6AEIJTAB#v=onepage&q=10 carriers "regional conflicts"&f=false

See also the number of AEWC aircraft in various air forces, or the number of SSBN of various navies (esp. those that have them but that were/are not the big players like Russia and US)

Large numbers to handle multiple conflicts and mitigate risks make sense. But as you have yourself agreed, it doesn't mean a single asset wouldn't provide credible offence capability.

 

[saiyan0321]

I honestly considered twitter user raj47 as considerably good satellite imagery expert. I have been surprised by his ability to accurately identify special weapons related facilities (not all but most).
But after yesterday he has completely gone bonkers.

https://twitter.com/x/status/818467434885771268

Here he compares two screen grabs from obviously cropped, separate clips from the same flight, and somehow imagines that it was one continuous shot, and then calculates the speed. Logic?

https://twitter.com/x/status/818583784383651840

And here, again he presents a screen grab showing a "canister", whereas if the whole video is watched, it is observed that its actually two different launch scenes, the merger of which he is showing. In effect, the missile from the first scene is what he is terming as a canister here.
(Take note that a canister was of course involved, more accurately called a capsule, but it was ejected way lower, as a splash can be seen near the exit point over water).

Lastly for those questioning the color, Babur has always had a red/white stripes paint scheme for testing, enabling easy visual detection and subsequent tracking (probably for escorting fighter pilots). Its just the bad video quality, something we have always criticized. More tests will follow suit, and soon we'll have better launch videos for the public.

Edit: I don't know what kind of fits these morons will throw after we unveil the MIRVed system. Let me write before-hand some things that they will say:
1. Its just an SLV.
2. It just jettisons multiple warheads, they are not guided because pakis don't have any knowledge of independent trajectory insertions.
3. It looks so fragile, its not mobile.
4. The range is not enough for independent trajectory insertions.
5. China gifted it to Pakistan.
and so on.

An amazing post by deterrent but the question is why are we wasting our time telling them this? If they want to believe so be it. Their only source was raj and you destroyed him. You and I both know that the Indian high command will take it very seriously and will not be sucked into denial that Indian trolls have shown. They will try to counter this development. Quite frankly they don't deserve answers. We are not desperate nor in need to make them believe that we have SLCM technology and second and third strike capability.

We should be celebrating. Not here convincing delusional denialists.

 

[RoadRunner401]

Pakistan test-fires first nuclear-capable submarine-launched cruise missile

Pakistan has successfully test-fired its first nuclear-capable submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCM), according to a 9 January statement by Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), the media wing of the Pakistani military.

Named Babur-3, the SLCM was fired to a range of 450 km from an underwater, mobile platform at an undisclosed location in the Indian Ocean, according to the statement, adding that the missile "hit its target with precise accuracy". The new head of ISPR, Major General Asif Ghafoor, posted a video of the test launch on his Twitter account.

The Babur-3 is a sea-based variant of the Babur-2 ground-launched cruise missile, which was successfully tested in December 2016, according to ISPR. Also known as Haft 7, the missile is believed to have a maximum range of 700 km, according to IHS Jane's Weapons: Strategic.

"The Babur-3 incorporates state-of-the-art technologies, including underwater controlled propulsion and advanced guidance and navigation features, duly augmented by global navigation, terrain and scene-matching systems," said ISPR.

The missile reportedly features terrain-hugging and sea-skimming flight capabilities to evade hostile radars and air defences, in addition to stealth technologies.

In land-attack mode the Babur-3 SLCM is capable of delivering various types of payloads and provides Pakistan with a "credible second strike capability", augmenting deterrence, said ISPR.

"While the pursuit and now the successful attainment of a second strike capability by Pakistan represents a major scientific milestone, it is [a] manifestation of the strategy of measured response to nuclear strategies and postures being adopted in Pakistan's neighbourhood," the statement said, adding that "Pakistan eyes this hallmark development as a step towards reinforcing [a] policy of credible minimum deterrence"

http://www.janes.com/article/66793/...ear-capable-submarine-launched-cruise-missile

 

[Windjammer]

pakistaan will get first Chinese Submarine in 2022 .....................You can not use Chinese or Pakistani missiles in
Agosta-class submarines without source codes & permission provided by France .

that means even if You have SLCM You can not use it before 2022 .

Welcome back with your new ID.
If Pakistan didn't have the capability, wonder why the world media is giving this test so much coverage, on the contrary, do recall how the same sources were able to burst North Korean and other claims.
BTW, didn't US also once claimed curtailing the F-16s from being nuclear delivery capable.....there's a reason why this version of Babur has been reduced from the original concept.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

K-4 SLBM launch>> View attachment 367406

I have asked for the actual video of the missile fired from the actual sub, NOT pontoon. I havent found it on net, nor any Indian posted here yet. You got one? please share.

In absence of any concrete evidence, the operational status of Indian second strike capability is very questionable. With now Pakistan not only demonstrating but striking with precision, bar has been raised for India.

 

[Khanate]

Number of MCTR Technologies produced by the following nations out of total 94 technologies:

India : 81
China : 92
Iran: 21
Israel: 74
Turkey: 4
USA:94
UK:94
Russia:94
France: 93
Japan: 93
Saudi Arabia:0
North Korea:25
South Africa : 34
Pakistan : 39
South Korea: 42
Vietnam: 0


source = official MCTR website

now India is a member of MCTR so they will get rest of the 13 technologies too .

you can compare south Africa , Korea & Pakistan .................but comparison of India & Pakistan is wrong .

I don't see Argentina on that list.

K-4 SLBM launch>> View attachment 367406

You obviously feel very ashamed of being Indian.