Pakistan Should Produce More Nuclear Weapons If No F16's

[ZAC1]

we dont need uncle SAM any more after CPEC giving profit
j-10 is very potent n lethal fighting machine that can replace f-16 cheap potent alternative

 

[Dalit]

mastaan saab, calm down.

The official justification of F16 was counter terrorism, now unless you want to nuke terrorists, there cannot be a parallel.

And why would US care if you had 100 or 1000 nukes, you can only deliver it to India. Pay the amount and get your jets, why do you want something you cant afford. You will have to pay one way or the other, if not with dollars then by subservience and allegiances, which in a long run is more expensive, as documented by the events that have taken place.

If anything ask Nawaz sherif to sell a few of his properties in London, and money shouldn't be an issue.

LOL just look at the mindset... The official justification he says... I mean, these people aren't even ashamed anymore of dictating the terms to the buyer. Putar, you want us to dole out the money which wasn't even part of the original deal and also want to put constraints on how we can use our own bought fighters? Are you even sober? Do you even realize what you're saying? Do similar constraints also apply to India when they buy fighters and other weapons from various sources including the US? It is like telling a buyer of a car that he can only drive in certain areas even when the car is his property. LOLZ

Guess what, we ain't paying crap and we are going to make sure that the imbalance is addressed one way or the other... Those days have gone now. If the Americans and India seek to blackmail and bully Pakistan into submissions they are sorely mistaken. Such tactics won't work anymore. We have suffered immensely and we are not going to suffer any longer.

 

[AUz]

Hi,

Let the U S stop the sale----. Pakistan must increase the production of nuclear weapons by at least a 1000%.

So if the U S wants to cut off the conventional power base---no problem---let us increase the nuclear threshold---.

The U S senators think that they got us by the ball joints---that is fine---let us increase the threshold---let us take the number of nuclear weapons to 500 at least---and let us start serious production of ICBM's---and other missile systems---.

If the U S wants to play the game---that is fine----two can play it better---. Let us see who blinks first.

It'd be Pakistan without any doubt.

U.S will choke Pakistan financially, internationally, and militarily.

U.S naval ships carry missiles that can intercept enemy targets at 600km above surface!!!

Pakistan has to develop its base first. That is, reducing external debts, paying back IMF everything, developing a massive and sustainable tax base to fund local development. Increase the level and quality of education/training of its work force, and develop a smooth political system agreeable to majority of masses.

Only then you can start development of further nuclear weapons, Hydrogen bombs, ICBMs with MIRVs/MARV and so on.

Talking is easy and cheap---but in real life, you got to take the long route and prove your worth!

United States has already done it. Pakistan hasn't even started the journey yet. And this journey is a long one!

 

[313baberali]

ICBM's

Why we need to run around orbit,when our destiny is few hundred miles away

 

[AbRaj]

LOL just look at the mindset... The official justification he says... I mean, these people aren't even ashamed anymore of dictating the terms to the buyer. Putar, you want us to dole out the money which wasn't even part of the original deal and also want to put constraints on how we can use our own bought fighters? Are you even sober? Do you even realize what you're saying? Do sumilar constraints also apply to India when they buy fighters and other weapons from various sources including the US? It is like telling a buyer of a car that he can only drive in certain areas even when the car is his property. LOLZ

Guess what, we ain't paying crap and we are going to make sure that the imbalance is addressed one way or the other... Those days have gone now. If the Americans and India seek to blackmail and bully Pakistan into submissions they are sorely mistaken. Such tactics won't work anymore. We have suffered immensely and we are not going to suffer any longer.

so much anger for what?
It's like a street boy becoming angry when asked to pay the damn bill after eating biryani promised for free under certain terms and conditions

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

Hi,

Let the U S stop the sale----. Pakistan must increase the production of nuclear weapons by at least a 1000%.

So if the U S wants to cut off the conventional power base---no problem---let us increase the nuclear threshold---.

The U S senators think that they got us by the ball joints---that is fine---let us increase the threshold---let us take the number of nuclear weapons to 500 at least---and let us start serious production of ICBM's---and other missile systems---.

If the U S wants to play the game---that is fine----two can play it better---. Let us see who blinks first.

A very bold suggestion after stating just the other day about how US is itching for war and made an example of Pakistan.
I think going straight for trump card is always bad. US knows about this Pakistan should not say it. Right now US is busy in South China Sea, Ukraine,Poland (the reason Russian jets flew past the US destroyer. It was presence of Polish helis which made Russians nervous), middle east and Afghanistan. The best time for Pakistan to build up. Pakistan won't be needing 500 or 1000s nuke. Pakistan only need 300 and mechanisms to deliver them efficiently.
With the situation right now we can do certain things to make us strong
A. Atleast 54 to 78 4+++ gen fighters needed by 2022. I would perfer Euro fighter because of easy integration of it in our airforce. We have more awareness of the weapons used on this platform because of f16s using the same weapons. I also like SU35'S but the problem is at this moment global political alliance shifting and our enemy still to pick sides on international arena we can't offord to be in one camp or another. EF choice gives us a neutral approach and our strong lobby in Europe compare to US where we can't compete Indians at the moment. Same is the case with Russia SU35'S.
B. One thing we can and should look to acquire from Russians is S400s. They are totally defensive weapon system and therefore not too many hurdles. We can take a leaf out of Isreal book and make sure atleast our air defence is impenetrable or try to make it such. Small land mass no depth and denying enemy total air dominace.
C. Instead of ICBMS Pakistan need to go for nuclear subs with missiles range just under 5000km. That won't tick the big powers off and therfore we won't look like north Korea or Iran to US. We can checkmate Indian aggressiveness doctrine, you know how they talk about nothing left of Pakistan our subs can make sure nothing left of India after that. That will collapse all the hopes of India ever invading Pakistan.
D. Instead of being totally isolated from US we can engage with them and direct aid towards another important issue and that is our space program. I think we can learn a lot in this and I believe it will most likely be hurdle free.Chinese I believe already are working on it. I believe Pakistan military will need the space tech in future long term strategy if Pakistan wants to continue as a stake holder in future.
E. Speed up the program of JF17 get to 150 mark and take a great leap forward and after 150 mark concentrate on stealth program and try to achieve a single engine stealth aircraft by 2025.
F. Start a program to rally the overseas Pakistani to promote and lobby for Pakistan intrest by developing a long term steady foreign policy and work everything around it.
G. Local electronic and telecommunications programs I would like armed forces to invest into it. Again an example of Isreal they are second to none in electronic warefare.
H. Try not to get sanctioned for next 5 years atleast so our economy can get a little better and make sure our interests in Afghanistan stays secure.
I. Keep trying again and again in building up or try to have Saudis and Iranians engage with each other consistently.
J. Build navy which we are doing so we are on right track here.
We need to enjoy this time and make Pakistan strong by trying to stay out of limelight for a while. No need to engage in eye blink battle with the super power of the world. Not very smart.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Ohh desi Hulk... How do you know we aren't building ICBMs? Lately, your paranoid American friends have accused China of helping Pakistan in this regard. I think you're not in synch with your American buddies.



That is funny because your country is surely building more nukes with the help of American nuke tech. Don't be so greedy desi Hollywood actor... Let us also have a piece of the cake. It is not depression curry boy. This is called defending yourself by taking counter measures. We're not just going to sit idle and watch you arm yourself to the teeth. Obviously we have to address the imbalance in any way possible.

Oh bhai, use some brain. I'm saying you can't compare war planes with nukes. It would be logical if you say " we are going for some other planes if not f-16". How it is logical if you say " we are going to make more nukes if not f-16". You know this is we call funny.

 

[imiakhtar]

Who says that Pakistan will ever fight a conventional war?

History? 1947/65/73

You suggesting next war will be nuclear?

Are you really that stupid?

 

[Yahoooooo!]

Why? You don't like the idea? That was to be expected...

What's up dude?

I'm honored to be recognized by you with 140 odd posts on this forum.

 

[EnggineerShahjehan]

Start picking out which Russian jets you like best because selling nukes will get you EMBARGOED!!! by Europe.

Honestly, do you guys even think this through before writing?

Here, some info in the EU's policy towards nukes and nuclear proliferation.

If Europe puts embargo, Russia will remain a option, If Russia doesn't comply , China is already our all weather friend by providing us most of equipment and technology, if China fails to do so some day, no issue we have our God ! we have same brains as u, we will catch up on our own ! It may take a time that can't be mentioned with surety but it's the path to follow. My personal suggestion, and there are 100 % chances that you aren't going to agree 1% with me , its OK !

 

[MilSpec]

LOL just look at the mindset... The official justification he says... I mean, these people aren't even ashamed anymore of dictating the terms to the buyer. Putar, you want us to dole out the money which wasn't even part of the original deal and also want to put constraints on how we can use our own bought fighters? Are you even sober? Do you even realize what you're saying? Do similar constraints also apply to India when they buy fighters and other weapons from various sources including the US? It is like telling a buyer of a car that he can only drive in certain areas even when the car is his property. LOLZ

Guess what, we ain't paying crap and we are going to make sure that the imbalance is addressed one way or the other... Those days have gone now. If the Americans and India seek to blackmail and bully Pakistan into submissions they are sorely mistaken. Such tactics won't work anymore. We have suffered immensely and we are not going to suffer any longer.

Well your ally said, pay sticker price or take a hike.... As I said buy what you can afford, If american taxpayers don't want to subsidize you "Anti Terror Multirole F16's " it's their choice. Or as Mastaan saab said Build 1000 nukes.

 

[Mssniper966]

mastaan saab, calm down.

The official justification of F16 was counter terrorism, now unless you want to nuke terrorists, there cannot be a parallel.

And why would US care if you had 100 or 1000 nukes, you can only deliver it to India. Pay the amount and get your jets, why do you want something you cant afford. You will have to pay one way or the other, if not with dollars then by subservience and allegiances, which in a long run is more expensive, as documented by the events that have taken place.

If anything ask Nawaz sherif to sell a few of his properties in London, and money shouldn't be an issue.

U know bro...I was thinking the same thing, why would America care if we produce more nuclear weapons??Unfortunately if u haven't been reading news from1990's, the most pressure Pakistan is facing for nukes manufacturing is from America....America wants to protect its military assets and bases especially the one which it established in Palestine called Israel with help from Britain(Balfour Declaration)....and the most threat Israel faces is Pakistani nukes...Israel even tried to bomb khauta nuclear installation but failed miserably...
One more reason is America cannot, in the name of so called terrorism, openly Attack on full scale on Pakistan...just as it is doing in Syria,Iraq,Palestine,etc because of fear of nuclear deterrence from Pakistan....

 

[vsdave2302]

Hi,

Let the U S stop the sale----. Pakistan must increase the production of nuclear weapons by at least a 1000%.

So if the U S wants to cut off the conventional power base---no problem---let us increase the nuclear threshold---.

The U S senators think that they got us by the ball joints---that is fine---let us increase the threshold---let us take the number of nuclear weapons to 500 at least---and let us start serious production of ICBM's---and other missile systems---.

If the U S wants to play the game---that is fine----two can play it better---. Let us see who blinks first.

Here the question is how?

 

[Mssniper966]

What we need is better missile technology which can evade radar systems and can defeat all countermeasures and most importantly make the nukes reach the farthest part of the world...of course nukes are also essential to arm the missiles but only focusing on nukes not its delivery system is not fruitful policy for Pakistan....

 

[AbRaj]

A very bold suggestion after stating just the other day about how US is itching for war and made an example of Pakistan.
I think going straight for trump card is always bad. US knows about this Pakistan should not say it. Right now US is busy in South China Sea, Ukraine,Poland (the reason Russian jets flew past the US destroyer. It was presence of Polish helis which made Russians nervous), middle east and Afghanistan. The best time for Pakistan to build up. Pakistan won't be needing 500 or 1000s nuke. Pakistan only need 300 and mechanisms to deliver them efficiently.
With the situation right now we can do certain things to make us strong
A. Atleast 54 to 78 4+++ gen fighters needed by 2022. I would perfer Euro fighter because of easy integration of it in our airforce. We have more awareness of the weapons used on this platform because of f16s using the same weapons. I also like SU35'S but the problem is at this moment global political alliance shifting and our enemy still to pick sides on international arena we can't offord to be in one camp or another. EF choice gives us a neutral approach and our strong lobby in Europe compare to US where we can't compete Indians at the moment. Same is the case with Russia SU35'S.
B. One thing we can and should look to acquire from Russians is S400s. They are totally defensive weapon system and therefore not too many hurdles. We can take a leaf out of Isreal book and make sure atleast our air defence is impenetrable or try to make it such. Small land mass no depth and denying enemy total air dominace.
C. Instead of ICBMS Pakistan need to go for nuclear subs with missiles range just under 5000km. That won't tick the big powers off and therfore we won't look like north Korea or Iran to US. We can checkmate Indian aggressiveness doctrine, you know how they talk about nothing left of Pakistan our subs can make sure nothing left of India after that. That will collapse all the hopes of India ever invading Pakistan.
D. Instead of being totally isolated from US we can engage with them and direct aid towards another important issue and that is our space program. I think we can learn a lot in this and I believe it will most likely be hurdle free.Chinese I believe already are working on it. I believe Pakistan military will need the space tech in future long term strategy if Pakistan wants to continue as a stake holder in future.
E. Speed up the program of JF17 get to 150 mark and take a great leap forward and after 150 mark concentrate on stealth program and try to achieve a single engine stealth aircraft by 2025.
F. Start a program to rally the overseas Pakistani to promote and lobby for Pakistan intrest by developing a long term steady foreign policy and work everything around it.
G. Local electronic and telecommunications programs I would like armed forces to invest into it. Again an example of Isreal they are second to none in electronic warefare.
H. Try not to get sanctioned for next 5 years atleast so our economy can get a little better and make sure our interests in Afghanistan stays secure.
I. Keep trying again and again in building up or try to have Saudis and Iranians engage with each other consistently.
J. Build navy which we are doing so we are on right track here.
We need to enjoy this time and make Pakistan strong by trying to stay out of limelight for a while. No need to engage in eye blink battle with the super power of the world. Not very smart.

Or or or or just pay the damn price and bring super duper eef sola tayaare home (which btw is not much considering the plane and it's effectiveness)