Pakistan should conduct Plebiscite in Azad Kashmir

[graphican]

Azad Kashmir has its own government and assembly. If they do not want to stay with Pakistan, they can bring a resolution and get it passed. What is the need for plebiscite? Is this an occupied territory where tens of thousands of occupation troops are stationed who murdering and raping innocent Kashmiris?

Plebiscite is to give Kashmiris their right which UN accepted under its resolutions. We know Azad Kashmir and GB is with Pakistan and will side with Pakistan but by doing that, we will bring cross-haire over India that it is India which is not doing this and has kept Kashmiris on its occupied territory deprived of this right - while Pakistan agreed to UN and has done it. It will be a new approach to pressurize India and all under international laws.

 

[WAJsal]

Because this is what happens if you dont.

Kashmiris protest at killing of Sardar Arif Shahid - BBC News

As Pakistan caught their killers? Ok that was not a serious question. OTOH in India even the most hateful Osama loving sharia singing separatists get govt protection and benefits.

At one point in time sectarian killings were on the high, do not generalize. Luckily situation has calmed down, a lot. And i mean it a lot. I can provide many similar examples from IOK, do not derail the thread.

If Pakistan identifies this is the best way forward, the road-blocks you mentioned, like status of GB and AJK can be resolved. Start this process and I am sure India would come and want to talk to you.

Indeed, please take a look at syedali's post, wraps up your question.

Azad Kashmir has its own government and assembly. If they do not want to stay with Pakistan, they can bring a resolution and get it passed. What is the need for plebiscite? Is this an occupied territory where tens of thousands of occupation troops are stationed who are murdering and raping innocent Kashmiris?

To Indians who do feel that PA has a huge number of occupational forces and etc, etc.. what they do not know is that NLI comprises of local people, and it holds command of those areas, there isn't some Punjabi or Sindhi army officers forcefully occupying GB or AJK, unlike what we see in IOK.

 

[Not So Good]

Your frustration is my medal of honour. Thank you!

Feel honored??good for you

 

[ito]

Azad Kashmir has its own government and assembly. If they do not want to stay with Pakistan, they can bring a resolution and get it passed. What is the need for plebiscite? Is this an occupied territory where tens of thousands of occupation troops are stationed who are murdering and raping innocent Kashmiris?

Illogical...P0K has huge Pakistani army presence....if not who is firing from Pakistan side into Indian side?

 

[graphican]

Feel honored??good for you

I find you frustrated first

 

[Stag112]

At one point in time sectarian killings were on the high, do not generalize. Luckily situation has calmed down, a lot. And i mean it a lot. I can provide many similar examples from IOK, do not derail the thread.

How am I derailing the thread? I'm simply stating, on topic, that for any plebiscite in pakistani kashmir, its relevant to note that leaders who really want independence from pakistani occupation simply has been murdered or made to run away to the west. Not the case in India.

Infact the last Kashmiri leader to get murdered in India way back in 2011... was killed by LET, to which, only when exposed by kashmiri police, LET was quick to blame a ''renegade''. Until then they were blaming Indians, as the memo from Pindi read.

LeT says rebel killed Kashmir cleric - Al Jazeera English

I hope countering your one sided propaganda is not derailing the thread.

 

[WAJsal]

Illogical...P0K has huge Pakistani army presence....if not who is firing from Pakistan side into Indian side?

Again another Indian who thinks he knows what he is talking about. NLI regiment of PA holds command of those areas, consists of GB scouts, Karakorum rangers other paramilitary forces and army regiment, all local, mostly trained in Bunji. It was NLI, local force of GB, which also fought against India in Kargil and other battles. hero's like Lalik jan and others are from GB, NLI is a local force, hardly any Punjabi or Sindhi army personals present, some number is stationed there, but that is normal, training, other work etc, etc... other than that all command comprises of jawans who are local, how are local forces occupying their own area, first educate yourself, then make comments. don't post something you have no idea about.
Northern Light Infantary.
The Northern Light Infantry - The Victors

@syedali73 , answered it for you.

How am I derailing the thread? I'm simply stating, on topic, that for any plebiscite in pakistani kashmir, its relevant to note that leaders who really want independence from pakistani occupation simply has been murdered or made to run away to the west. Not the case in India.

Nationalist leaders hardly exists, those who do aren't seeking independence or etc, etc...elaborate. read the first part of my post, and tell me if it is an occupation. Educate yourself first.

I hope countering your one sided propaganda is not derailing the thread.

Going off topic is derailing a thread.

 

[Stag112]

Pakistani kashmir was taken over by force by pakistan from the local king, they agreed to withdraw, never did. That is OCCUPATION.

This link, and more from different years exist, will make it clear to the most self-brainwashed pakistani that the ceasefire violations in kashmir are indeed pakistani cover fire for pakistani terrorists, mainly stupid madrassa students from Punjab.

Anti-militant protests in Pakistan's Neelum valley - BBC News

 

[Shamain]

Again another Indian who thinks he knows what he is talking about. NLI regiment of PA holds command of those areas, consists of GB scouts, Karakorum rangers other paramilitary forces and army regiment, all local, mostly trained in Bunji. It was NLI, local force of GB, which also fought against India in Kargil and other battles. hero's like Lalik jan and others are from GB, NLI is a local force, hardly any Punjabi or Sindhi army personals present, some number is stationed there, but that is normal, training, other work etc, etc... other than that all command comprises of jawans who are local, how are local forces occupying their own area, first educate yourself, then make comments. don't post something you have no idea about.
Northern Light Infantary.
The Northern Light Infantry - The Victors

@syedali73 , answered it for you.

Nationalist leaders hardly exists, those who do aren't seeking independence or etc, etc...elaborate. read the first part of my post, and tell me if it is an occupation. Educate yourself first.

Going off topic is derailing a thread.

Weirdly enough most brave women from pakistan come from gb ,skardu,gilgit. I say for a reason.

 

[mufti]

I don't think it is going to work. Can we have plebiscite once in Ajk, once in IOK or it should be in one go ? What about part of Kashmir which is with China now ? Will we have plebiscite there as well ? If we will do it at our end without involving UN then India can have at its end involving UN and you know it can be forged if India will be losing it.

 

[Srinivas]

First ask your iron brother if they are ready for plebiscite in their occupied Kashmir.

Lets do the plebiscite then, Since Kashmir cannot exist as a single country between two neighbors I doubt indepedent Kashmir is going to a right option.

I see Pakistani establishment sweating on this one !!!

This thread is taking its lead from following two news

• Pakistan has raised issue of Kashmir in UN and demanded Plebiscite
• India has rejected Pakistan's demand of Plebiscite and shown its usual lameness

Suggestion:
Lets begin this process of Plebiscite in Azad Kashmir which is the independent state of Kashmir outside Indian Occupation. By starting the process of Plebiscite in Azad Kashmir, we will

1. Take this issue to a new level altogether, appreciated under international law
2. Give a new goal to Kashmiris under Indian Occupation to demand it with more zeal
3. Destroy flimsy Indian stance that Kashmiris are already exercising their right to vote under Indian Constitution
4. Complete half of the process asked by UN resolutions, pressurising India to complete its half (we know India would try to play but we can always demand international and neutral audience - which will open doors of international press and Media to Kashmir which India has blocked since decades)
5. Give Kashmiris a more legitimate channel to exert their energies and connect with Pakistan and Azad Kashmir for good reasons and more.
6. Plebiscite should carry three questions,
   1. Azad Kashmir should be independent territory
   2. Azad Kashmir should be part of Pakistan
   3. Azak Kashmir should be part of India
7. This will be hard to counter by India - India at best can reject its results but Indian opinion matters least here.
8. Countries who previously sided with India will also find hard to object or reject such an initiative. Factually there are no grounds of rejection of independent observes are invited.
9. Scotland has recently went through that and there is a recent example before the world where opinion of people shaped their future.

I know this is not official thread but if this Idea seems workable, we can make it a National and Kashmir Voice. If this happens, Pakistan has nothing to loose but as a result of this Plebiscite, it and Kashmiris can gain a lot.

 

[graphican]

First ask your iron brother if they are ready for plebiscite in their occupied Kashmir.

Lets do the plebiscite then, Since Kashmir cannot exist as a single country between two neighbors I doubt indepedent Kashmir is going to a right option.

I see Pakistani establishment sweating on this one !!!

Our iron brother only needs assurance of his projects which are projects are prosperity not just for iron brother but for the entire region. There is nothing unrealistic or unreasonable as iron brother doesn't have any ill-intents nor territorial claims from us.

Kashmir can exist as independent country if it had to. India has great terms with other small countries around it, like Myammar and India can have similar relationship with Independent Kashmir as well. But relationship with Independent or not-Independent Kashmir is not the problem here.. India is simply refusing to acknowledge that Kashmiris or their right to decide even exists and this is what we can start and help India do the same.

 

[my2cents]

This thread is taking its lead from following two news

• Pakistan has raised issue of Kashmir in UN and demanded Plebiscite
• India has rejected Pakistan's demand of Plebiscite and shown its usual lameness

Suggestion:
Lets begin this process of Plebiscite in Azad Kashmir which is the independent state of Kashmir outside Indian Occupation. By starting the process of Plebiscite in Azad Kashmir, we will

1. Take this issue to a new level altogether, appreciated under international law
2. Give a new goal to Kashmiris under Indian Occupation to demand it with more zeal
3. Destroy flimsy Indian stance that Kashmiris are already exercising their right to vote under Indian Constitution
4. Complete half of the process asked by UN resolutions, pressurising India to complete its half (we know India would try to play but we can always demand international and neutral audience - which will open doors of international press and Media to Kashmir which India has blocked since decades)
5. Give Kashmiris a more legitimate channel to exert their energies and connect with Pakistan and Azad Kashmir for good reasons and more.
6. Plebiscite should carry three questions,
   1. Azad Kashmir should be independent territory
   2. Azad Kashmir should be part of Pakistan
   3. Azak Kashmir should be part of India
7. This will be hard to counter by India - India at best can reject its results but Indian opinion matters least here.
8. Countries who previously sided with India will also find hard to object or reject such an initiative. Factually there are no grounds of rejection of independent observes are invited.
9. Scotland has recently went through that and there is a recent example before the world where opinion of people shaped their future.

I know this is not official thread but if this Idea seems workable, we can make it a National and Kashmir Voice. If this happens, Pakistan has nothing to loose but as a result of this Plebiscite, it and Kashmiris can gain a lot.

For that to happen your army has to vacate Azad Kashmir, Gilgit Baltistan and then have UN to conduct the referendum.
When you guys don't have trust, you think your army is going to vacate their positions. Same here.

 

[graphican]

For that to happen your army has to vacate Azad Kashmir, Gilgit Baltistan and then have UN to conduct the referendum.
When you guys don't have trust, you think your army is going to vacate their positions. Same here.

Pakistan can conduct Plebiscite in Azad Kashmir without giving up its control to India. That is the new idea I am floating.

 

[Srinivas]

Our iron brother only needs assurance of his projects which are projects are prosperity not just for iron brother but for the entire region. There is nothing unrealistic or unreasonable as iron brother doesn't have any ill-intents nor territorial claims from us.

I think Pakistan has no right to decide about the plebiscite in China occupied Kashmir, it is the right of Kashmiris if plebiscite is decided it has to be done in the entire region not in some parts that suits Pakistan.

Kashmir can exist as independent country if it had to. India has great terms with other small countries around it, like Myammar and India can have similar relationship with Independent Kashmir as well. But relationship with Independent or not-Independent Kashmir is not the problem here.. India is simply refusing to acknowledge that Kashmiris or their right to decide even exists and this is what we can start and help India do the same.

Kashmir is like anyother region until the Jihad started. It is upto Kashmiris to decide. When the time is right I think this issue will be solved and India has confidence in Kashmiris.