Pakistan sea limits increase from 200 nm to 350 nm

[HRK]

i doubt that you have by brain to comprehend the point being discussed here .............read his point and my reply properly

and as far as exploiting the 'Energy Vulnerability of India ' i don't know what trying point here
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yes we know india is import intensive .........so we are working stratagic reserve

don't prove yourself stupid .... read your own post again ....

and as far blocking indian traffic you really i mean really need to see indian map ...............and also the country from where we import crude oil

further no need to reply me idiotically read up the issue you are debating .... I replied you for just a single point you made during your argument with Viper

 

[ni8mare]

don't prove yourself stupid .... read your own post again ....

lol.................tu bhi stupid

further no need to reply me idiotically read up the issue you are debating .... I replied you for just a single point you made during your argument with Viper

oye i made that post for viper ..........you replying with with just a pic with out any message

i thought you made a silent answer

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

indian didn't delay it. the captain of MZ Suez is former PN officer. he wants PN to reach the ship first. that video also showing it as PN navy ship is showing some kind of hurry to reach MZ Suez before INS reach there. Pakisna navy's behavior is an evidence to it as if IN ship is in that area then why PN send their ship ti MZ suez??

Indian national Sachin, who hails from Mumbai, was all smiles. “Before this experience, I hardly realised what freedom really meant,” he said, adding that it was the happiest moment of his life. He recalled his hard days aboard the MVS, when pirates forced the hostages to survive on seawater for two months.

Another Indian national NK Sharma, who spoke in chaste Urdu, thanked the entire Pakistani nation for making sincere efforts to set the crew free. He said he was at a loss for words to describe his gratitude. Sharma said he was well taken care of by the PNS Babur crew who came to the rescue of the abducted men. “I was born and brought up in India. But today, standing here on Pakistani soil, I feel like I’ve been born again,” he said.

MV Suez runs out of fuel, crew shifted to PNS Babur - Firstpost

 

[Viper0011.]

as usual biased logic always prevalent in your mind ..............
why should india put blockade at 500 miles at first place ................in time of war there will be no EEZ ......

its not about the EEZ, its about protecting your AC's and other important ships from PN /PAF so that you won't become super weak in front of the Chinese, if a few of your ships were taken out...... so you'll have to push your AC and other large, expensive ships way the heck out and away from PN's reach. The point is, where PN was supposed to be, it was closer to Pakistan's shore line and was very limited distance, so IN could easily be effective. Now, you have PN's assets spread across a HUGE additional area, making it hard to contain and offering serious retaliation through long range munitions. That's the whole point, you'll of course ignore reality to show the Indian soup-a-powa and will argue till the Sun turn blue!

 

[ni8mare]

its not about the EEZ, its about protecting your AC's and other important ships from PN /PAF so that you won't become super weak in front of the Chinese, if a few of your ships were taken out...... so you'll have to push your AC and other large, expensive ships way the heck out and away from PN's reach. The point is, where PN was supposed to be, it was closer to Pakistan's shore line and was very limited distance, so IN could easily be effective. Now, you have PN's assets spread across a HUGE additional area, making it hard to contain and offering serious retaliation through long range munitions.

as always BS theory ...........what make PN not to do that in even in case of not having this extra region its fuking war
and its also BS theory that with extra region will deter IN from doing blockade in pakistani EEZ itself

and what PN assets you are talking about ?.................some 4 f22p and 40 yrs old OHP ..........this gonna deter IN.......good luck with that

That's the whole point, you'll of course ignore reality to show the Indian soup-a-powa and will argue till the Sun turn blue!

lol....................says a person from supa failed state called pakistan

 

[ali_raza]

as always BS theory ...........what make PN not to do that in even in case of not having this extra region its fuking war
and its also BS theory that with extra region will deter IN from doing blockade in pakistani EEZ itself

and what PN assets you are talking about ?.................some 4 f22p and 40 yrs old OHP ..........this gonna deter IN.......good luck with that


lol....................says a person from supa failed state called pakistan

we are talking about are denials.so age of the vessel don't count.btw u guys will have to come to table for any future energy pipeline

 

[ni8mare]

we are talking about are denials.so age of the vessel don't count

number will count ..............so do PN even have that ?
.

btw u guys will have to come to table for any future energy pipeline

so???

 

[Viper0011.]

as always BS theory ...........what make PN not to do that in even in case of not having this extra region its fuking war and its also BS theory that with extra region will deter IN from doing blockade in pakistani EEZ itself

and what PN assets you are talking about ?.................some 4 f22p and 40 yrs old OHP ..........this gonna deter IN.......good luck with that

lol....................says a person from supa failed state called pakistan

1) As always jingoistic Indian mentality without the proper brain power behind it. If you had real balls, the world would've seen it by now. Whether its China or Pakistan.

2) If the simple common sense doesn't spark brain waves on the graph, I can give you junior high school example, a few policemen can control a smaller crowd in a smaller area, a larger crowd in a larger geographical area is difficult to manage, even with double the police size.
Simply because of the expanded area. IN can be effective in a tight little area over 150-200 miles away. It'll place its AC still at 300 miles away and its a decent flight to the shoreline. Now with PN's reach out to more area, you naturally have to place your AC 400-500 miles out, burning majority of the fuel on the way in and risking way back.

Where did you keep your AC in 71 and in other conflicts? Like 700 miles away. No one wants their Ferrari or Bentley to be damaged by a Hale storm, so you keep it away. In this case, keeping it away is keeping it too far away for it to be useful. If you can't comprehend it, its a waste of time to argue with you.

And I am not a Pakistani. And for the record, Pakistan is not a failed state no more. A simple proof is the Russians selling weapons and trying to do business with the Pakistanis, with showing a middle finger to the Indian influence. Another example is the French showing you middle finger and about to sell Pakistan weapons. US has always shown you a finger when it comes to giving advance weapons to Pakistan.
So there is the "soup-a-poohwa" influence.

 

[ali_raza]

number will count ..............so do PN even have that ?
.
so???

one small somali boat with an rpg can sabotage a whole oil tanker.what r u talking about sir.look at the location of our country on the map then think yourself.u guys will not even know how to counter that.

 

[My-Analogous]

one small somali boat with an rpg can sabotage a whole oil tanker.what r u talking about sir.look at the location of our country on the map then think yourself.u guys will not even know how to counter that.

Indian thinks that they have super duper every thing. My question to them are they more sophisticated then US Navy

USS Cole bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ni8mare]

1) As always jingoistic Indian mentality without the proper brain power behind it. If you had real balls, the world would've seen it by now. Whether its China or Pakistan.

we showed that to pak in 71 and china in 87 ......and what is with personal attack losing argument which actually show your brain power

2) If the simple common sense doesn't spark brain waves on the graph, I can give you junior high school example, a few policemen can control a smaller crowd in a smaller area, a larger crowd in a larger geographical area is difficult to manage, even with double the police size.
Simply because of the expanded area. IN can be effective in a tight little area over 150-200 miles away. It'll place its AC still at 300 miles away and its a decent flight to the shoreline. Now with PN's reach out to more area, you naturally have to place your AC 400-500 miles out, burning majority of the fuel on the way in and risking way back.

Where did you keep your AC in 71 and in other conflicts? Like 700 miles away. No one wants their Ferrari or Bentley to be damaged by a Hale storm, so you keep it away. In this case, keeping it away is keeping it too far away for it to be useful. If you can't comprehend it, its a waste of time to argue with you.

which is also applicable to pakistan..........small PN will require to operate in larger area in order to find IN vessels
which even PN needed to do irrespective of expanded sea or not ............... the sea area expended in geographical terms not in physical terms...................same way it is same area before which IN needed to petrol ..it does not matter whether it expanded or not because IN will position where it feel fit

in your own logic:a few policemen (PN) can control a smaller crowd in a smaller area, a larger crowd (IN) in a larger geographical area is difficult to manage, even with double the police size (which PN can never have)

and what stopping PN to do that now without expanded area?............who is stopping PN to reach out to more area ? who is stopping PN to have that extra expanded (without legally having it) to area to control in event of war?........please care to let me know

and your are right IN will be from 400 miles (650 km) away .........but from shore line of pakistan not 700 miles (1125 km)

And I am not a Pakistani. And for the record, Pakistan is not a failed state no more. A simple proof is the Russians selling weapons and trying to do business with the Pakistanis, with showing a middle finger to the Indian influence. Another example is the French showing you middle finger and about to sell Pakistan weapons. US has always shown you a finger when it comes to giving advance weapons to Pakistan.
So there is the "soup-a-poohwa" influence.

you are just one frustrated man .............................ow all those rhetoric

if your are not pakistani (BTW which i know ) then try to put argument in non-biased way ................the way you show your anti-india hatred here siding with pak is disgusting

one small somali boat with an rpg can sabotage a whole oil tanker.what r u talking about sir.look at the location of our country on the map then think yourself.u guys will not even know how to counter that.

yeah off-course i whole heartly believe ...........same can happen to PN also >>>>one small somali boat with an rpg can sabotage a whole oil tanker
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Indian thinks that they have super duper every thing. My question to them are they more sophisticated then US Navy

USS Cole bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ali_raza]

we showed that to pak in 71 and china in 87 ......and what is with personal attack losing argument which actually show your brain power


which is also applicable to pakistan..........small PN will require to operate in larger area in order to find IN vessels
which even PN needed to do irrespective of expanded sea or not ............... the sea area expended in geographical terms not in physical terms...................same way it is same area before which IN needed to petrol ..it does not matter whether it expanded or not because IN will position where it feel fit

in your own logic:a few policemen (PN) can control a smaller crowd in a smaller area, a larger crowd (IN) in a larger geographical area is difficult to manage, even with double the police size (which PN can never have)

and what stopping PN to do that now without expanded area?............who is stopping PN to reach out to more area ? who is stopping PN to have that extra expanded (without legally having it) to area to control in event of war?........please care to let me know

and your are right IN will be from 400 miles (650 km) away .........but from shore line of pakistan not 700 miles (1125 km)


you are just one frustrated man .............................ow all those rhetoric

if your are not pakistani (BTW which i know ) then try to put argument in non-biased way ................the way you show your anti-india hatred here siding with pak is disgusting


yeah off-course i whole heartly believe ...........same can happen to PN also >>>>one small somali boat with an rpg can sabotage a whole oil tanker
^^^^^^^^^^^^

ur whole argument is bs.we are talking abou area denial.that need very less force.sabotage and hit and run.and we are defending not attacking.so u guys will be surprised.new tactics are being developed according to the situations.

 

[Viper0011.]

we showed that to pak in 71 and china in 87 ......

which is also applicable to pakistan..........small PN will require to operate in larger area in order to find IN vessels
which even PN needed to do irrespective of expanded sea or not ............... the sea area expended in geographical terms not in physical terms...................same way it is same area before which IN needed to petrol ..it does not matter whether it expanded or not because IN will position where it feel fit

and what stopping PN to do that now without expanded area?............who is stopping PN to reach out to more area ? who is stopping PN to have that extra expanded (without legally having it) to area to control in event of war?........please care to let me know

and your are right IN will be from 400 miles (650 km) away .........but from shore line of pakistan not 700 miles (1125 km)

What did you show to Pak and China? Pak got cut off not because of the military might, but because of what you did in Eastern part of their country (compared to what you are doing now through Talibans in Baluchistan). This wasn't a military defeat, this was a coupe started and funded by India, which then in the war went against Pak Army. Remember, you can win or lose wars, but you can ONLY lose wars when its you against your own people, in addition to en enemy. Stabbing from back isn't military bravery, its cowardliness!!!

BTW, if you have eyes and ears, you don't see a difference in Pakistan from the 71 till 98 till 2015? Youtube Pakistan Day Parade 2015 and see their weapons systems, it was a good lesson for me to see how far they've gone. Obviously, 7 times smaller than India with less military, etc. But from what I noticed, it'll be an interesting "joint venture" if a war broke out again, if you know what I mean. There is no winner in the next war, everyone will lose big times and its at a level that someone losing more and someone losing less doesn't really matter. 75% of the entire region will become part of a historical map.

Which is WHY the US and the West in generals pushes both of you to talk, sometimes with verbal threats and economic bargaining. The West knows more than both of you, as to how dangerous the risk of losing so much land and close to half a billion people is.

And China.....wait, didn't they claim a few hundred miles of your area JUST last year? Speaks a LOT about whatever happened in 87!

By the way, IN AC and aircraft 400 miles away from Pakistani shore line means an 800 mile two way trip for a mission. I you read your jets configuration, you lose majority of your fuel taking off of the AC and traveling this 800 miles. Rerouting, and maneuvers don't have a chance here due to limited range or payload.

 

[THE MASK]

Long range missile testing

 

[browser]

Not only the size of your Navy will need to be increased, the ability of the IN to do a blockade is history with this extension (as long as PN can maintain a good number of vessels and area denial systems). This extension will force India to place her AC and other offensive ships about few more hundreds miles out, so that would mean, 400-500 miles from the Karachi sea line so they are protected. Meaning, additional 800-1000 mile worth of flight before an offensive jet can reach to the port of Karachi, this limits fuel, weapons carrying capability and refueling options. The extension alone has a huge impact on limiting IN's abilities against Pakistan.

I guess you are all still living in the 20th century.

In time of war, or even a serious threat by India, or in the event of even a single commercial liner being sunk, no commercial shipper will dock in Pak. A de facto blockade.

Pak may get some military supplies through (from China) but in 45 days, your country will be in a economic mess (without war actually occurring).