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Pakistan says Taliban leader will talk to U.S!

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I think they have the resources but lack the WILL to spend them on such things which simply dosent provide success .
 
‘ISPR: Taliban leader will talk to US’ — CNN

* Network claims Pakistan wants concessions from US over Islamabad’s concerns with India for brokering talks
* Says Obama administration also willing to negotiate with Taliban

Daily Times Monitor


LAHORE: CNN claimed on Friday that the “Pakistani military has declared” that it is in contact with Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Omar and can bring him and other commanders to the negotiating table with the US.

“The Pakistani military has the ability to get the Taliban to the table with the US to broker a ceasefire by jump-starting a dialogue between the warring parties,” reported CNN, claiming that it was quoting army spokesman Maj Gen Athar Abbas from an ‘exlusive interview’. “That’s right. Dialogue,” said Abbas. “Eventually, one would have to return to the dialogue table. I think that can be worked out.”

Abbas said that in return for any role as a broker between the US and the Taliban, Pakistan wanted concessions from Washington over Islamabad’s concerns with India.

CNN also claimed that the “Obama administration is willing both to talk to top Taliban leaders and to raise some of Pakistan’s concerns with India”.

Abbas told CNN that following the Soviet war in Afghanistan, the Pakistan remained in contact with Taliban commanders such as Mullah Omar, but that did not mean “you endorse what they are doing”.


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Well all this makes it very clear that Taliban and ISI are in bed. What more proof is needed?

ISI, does also take RAW to bed from time to time :D do u need prove for that? open ur mind this is ISI we are taliking about not taliban
 
Two days ago, General Mullen said in his speech, that next few years will be very tough in Afghanistan. I think US and Pakistan will try to set up mix govt. In which both members from present govt and resistance groups will participate and plus a permanent base of NATO will be established in parts of Afghanistan. What will be the role of India?.

i dont think there will be any role for NATO, Muslim armies around the different countries will take over, given the gurantee of staying there until the full scale peace- according to the wishes of Afghan n Talibal cooalition govt, is restored

if Nato to stay there, then Taliban will continue to attack n there will be no peace or agreement which will last long.

example is SWAT peace deal, plus north/south waziristan.

but the interesting question would be, wht abt OBL, and Taliban how would we gove abt them? wheter muslim armies will take action againt them ? lets wait n see
 
Remarks attributed to DG ISPR denied

ISLAMABAD, Jul 10 (APP): A spokesman of ISPR Friday strongly denied the remarks attributed to the Director General ISPR in an interview with CNN stating that Pakistan military is in contact with Taliban leader Mullah Omar and it can bring him and other commanders to the negotiating table with the US and in return Pakistan wants concession from Washington over Islamabad concerns with long time rival India. The remarks attributed to DG ISPR are totally baseless, fabricated and unfounded as well as out of context and ISPR rejects that the spokesman added.

Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency )
 
^ Hmmm...there is something fishy..

Why if for real Athar Abbas would express his interest in an interview , which is about to go public; and retract a day after. Maybe he just said that casually or CNN is trying to tie ISI with the Taliban.

And at a personal level, I won't be very surprised if it comes out that all these years some elements in ISI were covertly helping the Af-Taliban.
 
Hi,

Two different pieces got put together---cnn is a master at the art of deception.
 
In latest the ties between ISI and taliban is not confirm but last negotiator with taliban's mullah omer are saudi kings.
 
US do n t have the heart to fight war in Afghanistan. Now US want to leave Afghanistan and Pakistani will be use the reason that US lost the war.

US government can n t face their public if they lost the war with out any major reason.

And that major reason will be Pakistan. (Early stages)
 
An excellent article by Ejaz Haider on this whole ie by CNN:


INSIGHT: The CNN screw-up —Ejaz Haider


It does not seem that Mr Ware, the CNN reporter, was up to some mischief. But someone else was. If not that then the way the story has been put out is a case of professional incompetence of a high order. Also, did Mr Ware bother to check what someone in the newsroom was doing? If not, next time he should

Ladies and Gentlemen, here’s the credible CNN for you. This is how the story goes.

Michael Ware of CNN interviews Maj.-Gen Athar Abbas, Director-General Inter-Services Public Relations and the network puts out the story thus:

“Pakistan’s military says it is in contact with Afghan’s Taliban leader and that it can bring him and other commanders to the negotiating table with the United States.

“In an interview with CNN’s Michael Ware, Pakistan military spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas said in return for any role as a broker between the United States and the Taliban, Pakistan wants concessions from Washington over Pakistan’s concerns with long-time rival India (italics mine).”

When I read this story Saturday morning, I couldn’t believe it. The officer to whom these words were attributed by CNN, Gen Abbas, is as smart as they can get. I could not imagine he would say something like this, even if we were to assume, for the sake of the argument, that the Pakistan Army and the ISI can in fact play such a central role in mediating between the Americans and the Taliban.

Let me continue with this assumption and explain why. If the American government wants Pakistan to play such a role and if Pakistan can and is willing to do so, such a course of action and those channels would remain highly secret until a very advanced stage in negotiations — and then too not everything would come out and so openly.

This is the kind of story of whose details one gets well after things have happened. Again, even at that stage, no one person can bring the full dossier to a newspaper office or a tv channel. It requires much research and talking to several actors to piece together the story.

Gen Abbas is a career cavalry officer who has done his war course, his national defence course, and commanded an armoured division. He was chosen to head the ISPR because in addition to his outstanding achievements as an officer, he also comes from a highly literary family and is a very sophisticated gentleman, the kind who is at ease on both sides of the fence.

And he is careful in choosing his words. Did he say this then?

I checked the video of the interview and the transcript. There is absolutely nothing there that matches the CNN story. Let’s begin with the last question by Mr Ware of CNN:

Ware: General, I am getting the wind-up from your aide, just one last question. We saw great success in the Iraq theatre, where America engaged the insurgents it was fighting against and eventually put 103,000 Sunni insurgents on the American payroll that assisted them in their fight against al Qaeda, and it assisted America in its challenge to curb Iranian influence. Is there room for such negotiation here? In the Afghan-Pakistan theatre? Can America negotiate with the groups it’s currently fighting with?[My italics; please note how Mr Ware is positioning his question...]

Abbas: Certainly [the general agrees with the idea of negotiating; anyone would] — I think that you can’t use one formula in dealing with various groups...” [Anyone who is dealing with COIN operations and terrorism would use multiple strategies to address, lessen and eradicate the threat and talking can be a most effective strategy if one can find partners...]

Ware: But can America talk to these groups? Can America...is part of the solution, America negotiating with these forces?

Abbas: There are reconcilable elements in these whole, in this whole Taliban groups etc. and one has to identify those and they are reconcilable and when there is no harm in negotiating...opening a negotiation with them.

Ware: Just a dialogue.

Abbas: That’s right, dialogue. Eventually one would have to return to the dialogue table.

Ware: And that’s where Pakistan can perhaps provide valuable assistance to the American mission.

Abbas: I think yes that can be worked out, that’s possible.

Mr Ware asks if Pakistan can provide help. Gen Abbas says that can be worked out, that’s possible.

How does it become what the CNN report claims he said? All Gen Abbas is saying is that if the American government wants to open negotiation channels with reconcilable elements and if it wants Pakistan’s help, that’s possible because the American strategy would have changed and Pakistan may be in a better position to help the US; certainly, it could, better than India or Sri Lanka.

Gen Abbas’ statement here may be read with an earlier question by Mr Ware and the general’s response.

Ware: I mean, to what degree can Pakistan’s relationships with both sides — both with the formal Mujahedeen fighters and with America, be a value today in trying to broker a solution? I mean, Pakistan’s long had relationships with Hikmatyar, Haqqani, with the Pashtun tribes. To some degree, those relationships of course naturally continue. How can you use those relationships with these forces who were once friends of America, and now fighting America, of value to bring a solution?

Abbas: That’s right, the ISI was in the forefront of the whole struggle against the Soviets. Now by maintaining the contact with the organisations like what you have mentioned of Hikmatyar and Haqqani, doesn’t mean that the state as a policy is providing them the physical support or the funding or the training. It doesn’t mean that...But having said that, no intelligence organisation in the world shuts its last door on any other organisation. So therefore the contacts are there. The communication remains. But it doesn’t mean that you endorse what they are doing in Afghanistan.

As for the mention of India, Gen Abbas talks, earlier in the interview, about India’s ingress in Afghanistan and how Pakistan perceives the presence and the activities flowing out of that ingress. At no point did he say that if Pakistan were to help America talk to the Taliban it would need the quid pro quo of concessions from the US vis-à-vis India.

It does not seem that Mr Ware, the CNN reporter, was up to some mischief. But someone else was. If not that then the way the story has been put out is a case of professional incompetence of a high order. Also, did Mr Ware bother to check what someone in the newsroom was doing? If not, next time he should.

For the video and text transcript of Gen Abbas’ interview, please check

Transcript: Pakistan's Abbas talks about Afghanistan - CNN.com and Transcript: Pakistan's Abbas talks about Afghanistan - CNN.com

Ejaz Haider is Consulting Editor of The Friday Times and Op-Ed Editor of Daily Times. He can be reached at sapper@dailytimes.com.pk
 
this was one gud example of wat western media is: all about propoganda
 
An excellent article by Ejaz Haider on this whole ie by CNN:


INSIGHT: The CNN screw-up —Ejaz Haider


It does not seem that Mr Ware, the CNN reporter, was up to some mischief. But someone else was. If not that then the way the story has been put out is a case of professional incompetence of a high order. Also, did Mr Ware bother to check what someone in the newsroom was doing? If not, next time he should

Ladies and Gentlemen, here’s the credible CNN for you. This is how the story goes.

Michael Ware of CNN interviews Maj.-Gen Athar Abbas, Director-General Inter-Services Public Relations and the network puts out the story thus:

“Pakistan’s military says it is in contact with Afghan’s Taliban leader and that it can bring him and other commanders to the negotiating table with the United States.

“In an interview with CNN’s Michael Ware, Pakistan military spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas said in return for any role as a broker between the United States and the Taliban, Pakistan wants concessions from Washington over Pakistan’s concerns with long-time rival India (italics mine).”

When I read this story Saturday morning, I couldn’t believe it. The officer to whom these words were attributed by CNN, Gen Abbas, is as smart as they can get. I could not imagine he would say something like this, even if we were to assume, for the sake of the argument, that the Pakistan Army and the ISI can in fact play such a central role in mediating between the Americans and the Taliban.

Let me continue with this assumption and explain why. If the American government wants Pakistan to play such a role and if Pakistan can and is willing to do so, such a course of action and those channels would remain highly secret until a very advanced stage in negotiations — and then too not everything would come out and so openly.

This is the kind of story of whose details one gets well after things have happened. Again, even at that stage, no one person can bring the full dossier to a newspaper office or a tv channel. It requires much research and talking to several actors to piece together the story.

Gen Abbas is a career cavalry officer who has done his war course, his national defence course, and commanded an armoured division. He was chosen to head the ISPR because in addition to his outstanding achievements as an officer, he also comes from a highly literary family and is a very sophisticated gentleman, the kind who is at ease on both sides of the fence.

And he is careful in choosing his words. Did he say this then?

I checked the video of the interview and the transcript. There is absolutely nothing there that matches the CNN story. Let’s begin with the last question by Mr Ware of CNN:

Ware: General, I am getting the wind-up from your aide, just one last question. We saw great success in the Iraq theatre, where America engaged the insurgents it was fighting against and eventually put 103,000 Sunni insurgents on the American payroll that assisted them in their fight against al Qaeda, and it assisted America in its challenge to curb Iranian influence. Is there room for such negotiation here? In the Afghan-Pakistan theatre? Can America negotiate with the groups it’s currently fighting with?[My italics; please note how Mr Ware is positioning his question...]

Abbas: Certainly [the general agrees with the idea of negotiating; anyone would] — I think that you can’t use one formula in dealing with various groups...” [Anyone who is dealing with COIN operations and terrorism would use multiple strategies to address, lessen and eradicate the threat and talking can be a most effective strategy if one can find partners...]

Ware: But can America talk to these groups? Can America...is part of the solution, America negotiating with these forces?

Abbas: There are reconcilable elements in these whole, in this whole Taliban groups etc. and one has to identify those and they are reconcilable and when there is no harm in negotiating...opening a negotiation with them.

Ware: Just a dialogue.

Abbas: That’s right, dialogue. Eventually one would have to return to the dialogue table.

Ware: And that’s where Pakistan can perhaps provide valuable assistance to the American mission.

Abbas: I think yes that can be worked out, that’s possible.

Mr Ware asks if Pakistan can provide help. Gen Abbas says that can be worked out, that’s possible.

How does it become what the CNN report claims he said? All Gen Abbas is saying is that if the American government wants to open negotiation channels with reconcilable elements and if it wants Pakistan’s help, that’s possible because the American strategy would have changed and Pakistan may be in a better position to help the US; certainly, it could, better than India or Sri Lanka.

Gen Abbas’ statement here may be read with an earlier question by Mr Ware and the general’s response.

Ware: I mean, to what degree can Pakistan’s relationships with both sides — both with the formal Mujahedeen fighters and with America, be a value today in trying to broker a solution? I mean, Pakistan’s long had relationships with Hikmatyar, Haqqani, with the Pashtun tribes. To some degree, those relationships of course naturally continue. How can you use those relationships with these forces who were once friends of America, and now fighting America, of value to bring a solution?

Abbas: That’s right, the ISI was in the forefront of the whole struggle against the Soviets. Now by maintaining the contact with the organisations like what you have mentioned of Hikmatyar and Haqqani, doesn’t mean that the state as a policy is providing them the physical support or the funding or the training. It doesn’t mean that...But having said that, no intelligence organisation in the world shuts its last door on any other organisation. So therefore the contacts are there. The communication remains. But it doesn’t mean that you endorse what they are doing in Afghanistan.

As for the mention of India, Gen Abbas talks, earlier in the interview, about India’s ingress in Afghanistan and how Pakistan perceives the presence and the activities flowing out of that ingress. At no point did he say that if Pakistan were to help America talk to the Taliban it would need the quid pro quo of concessions from the US vis-à-vis India.

It does not seem that Mr Ware, the CNN reporter, was up to some mischief. But someone else was. If not that then the way the story has been put out is a case of professional incompetence of a high order. Also, did Mr Ware bother to check what someone in the newsroom was doing? If not, next time he should.

For the video and text transcript of Gen Abbas’ interview, please check

Transcript: Pakistan's Abbas talks about Afghanistan - CNN.com and Transcript: Pakistan's Abbas talks about Afghanistan - CNN.com

Ejaz Haider is Consulting Editor of The Friday Times and Op-Ed Editor of Daily Times. He can be reached at sapper@dailytimes.com.pk

i wonder why these Extremist Islamists have gone mad-some same kinda misplaced and misquoted Islamic verses and you have a dude ready to kill his own brother! Bravo West!!
 
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