Pakistan’s mullahpoly: My way or the highway

[Farooq]

its not that hard since you are aware , show me one who have arranged for protest against the sucide bombings ?? these guys using their fiery speeches and fatwas calls in thousand to protest if they (or their masters ) wish too , show me some thing (you tube or an article) which proves they have called in protesters in thousands against suicide bombings against civilians ??




my aware member i find it even harder to beleive that you are giving reference of Sipa sahaba terrorists do you know that above is a banned organisation ? as thy killed many pakistanis they are out there to spread sectarian hatred .



here we go , you are jumping to the last resort of labeling one as anti Islamic ..... dude your friends above above are the same wahabi / takfiris , they are out their ruining Islams image , sorry but you seem very un aware !

Pak-Marine,

You are more ignorant than I thought in regards to this issue. Sipah-e-Sahaba is a banned terrorist organization and recently changed their name to Ahle Sunnath wul Jummah in Karachi in order to fool the masses. Just because they call themselves Sunni does not mean they are Sunni. They are actually funded and influenced by Saudi Arabia to spread their deviant beliefs. Hence, it is disingenuous of you label me a 'friend' of the very people I condemn.

show me some thing (you tube or an article) which proves they have called in protesters in thousands against suicide bombings against civilians ??

I gave a reference of a prominent Sunni Alim in Karachi and his website to contact him directly &
Here is an article to backup my point: DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Ulema, Mushaikh declare suicide attacks un-Islamic

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

yet to see massive demonstrations on streets if they oppose ... not sure if i have missed any ! can you post any events you might be aware of where i can see ""many ulema"" with thousands marching opposing this kafirana suicide blast they were preaching earlier ??

assalam alaikum

Brother they protested when musharraf agreed to this WOT and told everybody and no one listened to them suicide bombing is the result of WOT.

Yes i agree with u to watch all those funds that come from abroad not only for religous establishments and also the NGOs

TARIQ

 

[pak-marine]

=Farooq;1374612]Pak-Marine,
You are more ignorant than I thought in regards to this issue. Sipah-e-Sahaba is a banned terrorist organization and recently changed their name to Ahle Sunnath wul Jummah in Karachi in order to fool the masses. Just because they call themselves Sunni does not mean they are Sunni. They are actually funded and influenced by Saudi Arabia to spread their deviant beliefs. Hence, it is disingenuous of you label me a 'friend' of the very people I condemn.

ok i will quote your post below not sure what part you got confused 1st you give examples of so called Ulema from Ahle sunaat wal jamat in my last reply i told you its new name of SSP , Now you wrote this (your above quoted post )junk that they are terrorist .. whats your point man ?

Farooq::Your hatred for Ulema blinds you from the truth. I find it hard to believe that a person who lives in Pakistan does not know of any Ulema who have condemned suicide bombings.
All the Ulema of AhleSunnath wul Jummah (Sunni) have condemned suicide bombing. In fact, a very prominent Alim in Karachi, Hazrat Moulana Shah Turab ul Haq Qadri has spoke against suicide bombing just as many other Sunni Ulema have.
Moreover, go to his website, ahlesunnat.net
and ask him yourself.

 

[pak-marine]

=TARIQ BN ZIYAAD;1374622]assalam alaikum

Brother they protested when musharraf agreed to this WOT and told everybody and no one listened to them suicide bombing is the result of WOT.

W/s Tariq , We are discusing protests against sucide bombings on civilians as they are wrong and no ulma has ever bothered arranging a protest against it .... i can only conclude this ... a) they are a part of this ........or b) they are scared either way its very Hippocratic of them! and they are rather a big threat to Islam and its Image.

if its a result of WOT ........ than what does the civilians has to do with this ? why are they being attacked ?

 

[Ahmad]

assalam alaikum

Brother they protested when musharraf agreed to this WOT and told everybody and no one listened to them suicide bombing is the result of WOT.

Yes i agree with u to watch all those funds that come from abroad not only for religous establishments and also the NGOs

TARIQ

Musharaf didnt have any other choice but to side with america.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Musharaf didnt have any other choice but to side with america.

assalam alaikum

May be or may not, Who gave musharraf the right to decide something that could change our lives since he was not elected by the ppl of pakistan. He could have asked the ppl and if the r ready to get bombed let them get nuked even. Besides he didnot have to goto that far in this stupid WOT.

pak-marine

Brother when a drone attack kill one terrorists and kill ten innocents
It is very easy that relatives feel betrayed so they react in this barbaric way ( eventhough i believe it is the american agenda to make ppl of pakistan hate each other and kill each other in order to do that they kill more innocents then terrorists). Protesting by mullahs or try to convince those to dont do this act impossilbe coz these ppl will ask them to go and tell the govt. to stop the bombings since it is not ganna happen, what mullah can do ?

TARIQ

 

[Ahmad]

assalam alaikum

May be or may not, Who gave musharraf the right to decide something that could change our lives since he was not elected by the ppl of pakistan. He could have asked the ppl and if the r ready to get bombed let them get nuked even. Besides he didnot have to goto that far in this stupid WOT.

what a double standard friend. people like yourself always criticize democracy system and now you talk about democracy and demoratically elected leader to decide over the affair of states? Secondly, if he didnt side with americans, americans would have done everything to bomb you to stone age, that is the reason mush sided with them. otherwise paksitan would never wanted the taliban be removed.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

what a double standard friend. people like yourself always criticize democracy system and now you talk about democracy and demoratically elected leader to decide over the affair of states? Secondly, if he didnt side with americans, americans would have done everything to bomb you to stone age, that is the reason mush sided with them. otherwise paksitan would never wanted the taliban be removed.

assalam alaikum

Can u show me something where i criticized the will of the ppl? As long as the ppl of pakistan agree with this constitution i got no problem with it ( i guess u missed it ). What i call for is if the west can make any kind of law and we dont have a say in it they should let us have our laws that suits our religion and socities.

I don't believe musharraf he is a lier and coward

TARIQ

 

[pak-marine]

pak-marine

Brother when a drone attack kill one terrorists and kill ten innocents
It is very easy that relatives feel betrayed so they react in this barbaric way ( eventhough i believe it is the american agenda to make ppl of pakistan hate each other and kill each other in order to do that they kill more innocents then terrorists). Protesting by mullahs or try to convince those to dont do this act impossilbe coz these ppl will ask them to go and tell the govt. to stop the bombings since it is not ganna happen, what mullah can do ?

TARIQ

so drone attack victims are going to retailiate by killing their own brethren ..wth!!.... come on yar what are you defending here. These mullahs are the mentors for sucide bombors little they can do

 

[Ahmad]

assalam alaikum

Can u show me something where i criticized the will of the ppl? As long as the ppl of pakistan agree with this constitution i got no problem with it ( i guess u missed it ). What i call for is if the west can make any kind of law and we dont have a say in it they should let us have our laws that suits our religion and socities.

I don't believe musharraf he is a lier and coward

TARIQ

Perhaps i mistook you with some other people who criticize democratic system. but anyways, he simply didnt have a choice, tell me what he should have done then?

 

[Ahmad]

Originally Posted by TARIQ BN ZIYAAD
pak-marine

Brother when a drone attack kill one terrorists and kill ten innocents
It is very easy that relatives feel betrayed so they react in this barbaric way ( eventhough i believe it is the american agenda to make ppl of pakistan hate each other and kill each other in order to do that they kill more innocents then terrorists). Protesting by mullahs or try to convince those to dont do this act impossilbe coz these ppl will ask them to go and tell the govt. to stop the bombings since it is not ganna happen, what mullah can do ?

TARIQ

Not a good reason, if we go by that logic, then the people of Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, Peshawar etc have every right to retaliate against the FATA tribesmen, those cities have also lost their loved ones as a result of attacks from FATA groups, if we consider FATA which is harbouring terrorists, why shouldnt we consider the urban areas as well? perhpas the the cities are not good in blackmailing.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Perhaps i mistook you with some other people who criticize democratic system. but anyways, he simply didnt have a choice, tell me what he should have done then?

assalam alaikum

No problem, As i said before musharraf didnot have the right to decide for the ppl of pakistan.

pak marine bhai, to me those 2 two acts ( drone and suicide bombings) r unacceptable.

TARIQ

 

[Ahmad]

assalam alaikum

No problem, As i said before musharraf didnot have the right to decide for the ppl of pakistan.

pak marine bhai, to me those 2 two acts ( drone and suicide bombings) r unacceptable.

TARIQ

Fair enough, but nobody was against Zia when he took decisions. on the other hand, Mush is gone, now there is democratically elected gov in place, their decisions are legitimate.

 

[pak-marine]

Not a good reason, if we go by that logic, then the people of Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, Peshawar etc have every right to retaliate against the FATA tribesmen, those cities have also lost their loved ones, if we consider FATA which is harbouring terrorists, why shouldnt we consider the urban areas as well? perhpas the the cities are not good blackmailing.

exactly mullah hipocracy is causing hatred in our society they have divided us , its an enemy within

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Fair enough, but nobody was against Zia when he took decisions. on the other hand, Mush is gone, now there is democratically elected gov in place, their decisions are legitimate.

assalam alaikum

Actually i alway prefer an elected govt. (be it this corrupt govt. or worse then this ) instead of zia or musharraf period. i was against zia and musharraf. zia took a decision alone right but it was kind of a popular decision and ppl bought it, musharraf took unpopular decision .

This elected govt. in public they r against the drone attacks while wikileaks painted a different picture,big credibility problem.
Besides if i can disagree with musharraf during his era why not disagree and give my opinion during elected govt, this is my right.

TARIQ