Pakistan received last AW139M helicopters

[khanasifm]

I think every airbase has it's own SAR, anyhow you missed Rafiqui in the list it has its own SAR squadron.Also alouettes are still operational,dont forget the Mi-17s.

If Bholari has its own SAR then there are total 9 SAR squadrons.

Edit :
No. 81 Peshawar
82 Mushaf
83 Rafiqui
84 Masroor
85 Samungli
86 Mianwali
87 Kamra
88 Shahbaz

14 aw139 spread across 7 sqn plus one mi-17 per sqn paf mi-17 fleet I think also went up per modp report

so technically Atleast 7 sqn replaced 1 or two Sqn still maY be flying older type

guessing

 

[Rank]

Not sure bout the Navy, but Army also operates AW-139s

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They tested them even at Siachin:

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the camo one usually use for the Army Chief’s movement

 

[Yasser76]

14 aw139 spread across 7 sqn plus one mi-17 per sqn paf mi-17 fleet I think also went up per modp report

so technically Atleast 7 sqn replaced 1 or two Sqn still maY be flying older type

guessing

Yes, makes sense, also I imagine some bases are close enough to provide SAR to other bases, for example Masroor to Faisal, and Kamra to Risalpur and Chaklala

 

[litman]

who picks the most bullsh1t paint scheme in Pakistan military? Be it C-130 fart work, or same 1980s adopted fighter jet paint scheme, or "camo" paint scheme on helicopters!!!!!!! seriously who the **** camo helicopters? The old days are gone when you could confuse enemy with camo since it will be electronically tracked!
I bet the paint work is left for patwaris in military.

helis will not only be used against india. they are regularly used against taliban and in baluchistan and they dont have electronic gadgets to detect helicopters. same is the case with fighter jets. fighter jets are painted so that they are difficulted to be spotted both from the ground and from the air. F-16s have been very regularly used against taliban in FATA. militaries all over the world use same basic logic.otherwise we would have been seeing fighter jets now in red paint.

 

[nomi007]

Why Navy did not receive any AW-139.
Is navy stepson.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

helis will not only be used against india. they are regularly used against taliban and in baluchistan and they dont have electronic gadgets to detect helicopters. same is the case with fighter jets. fighter jets are painted so that they are difficulted to be spotted both from the ground and from the air. F-16s have been very regularly used against taliban in FATA. militaries all over the world use same basic logic.otherwise we would have been seeing fighter jets now in red paint.

tell me how exactly is this difficult to spot in sky?

or is this more harder to spot from ground?

its like wearing a ghillie suit in urban warfare! thats how stupid these outdated camo paint scheme looks on military airplanes.

 

[litman]

tell me how exactly is this difficult to spot in sky?

or is this more harder to spot from ground?

its like wearing a ghillie suit in urban warfare! thats how stupid these outdated camo paint scheme looks on military airplanes.

put the brown camo helicopter in a valley in FATA and you will see the difference. camoflauge is done according to the terrain in whihc the air craft is supposed to operate. desert or jungle camoflauge will be useless in snowy areas. for sea you will need grey or bluish shade which fits the environment. brown color is for desert or mountains. the air crafts are camoflauged so that they are not only difficult to be spotted from the ground but from the above.

 

[PanzerKiel]

tell me how exactly is this difficult to spot in sky?

or is this more harder to spot from ground?

its like wearing a ghillie suit in urban warfare! thats how stupid these outdated camo paint scheme looks on military airplanes.

Generally, aircraft are camo painted two way.
One to deny observation from ground (for example, by painting the bottom of aircraft green, blue or sea green, some shade to merge with the sky once you are looking from the ground)
Second, to deny observation from an aircraft flying above it (for example, if the ground below is green, jungle, plains, fertile, the aircraft may be painted in some variety of green camo, woodland pattern etc)

tell me how exactly is this difficult to spot in sky?

Like if you may notice, the bottom of the heli is painted sky blue, rest is green variety camo......

Generally, aircraft are camo painted two way.
One to deny observation from ground (for example, by painting the bottom of aircraft green, blue or sea green, some shade to merge with the sky once you are looking from the ground)
Second, to deny observation from an aircraft flying above it (for example, if the ground below is green, jungle, plains, fertile, the aircraft may be painted in some variety of green camo, woodland pattern etc)



Like if you may notice, the bottom of the heli is painted sky blue, rest is green variety camo......

A mirage in two-color pattern

 

[Myth_buster_1]

put the brown camo helicopter in a valley in FATA and you will see the difference. camoflauge is done according to the terrain in whihc the air craft is supposed to operate. desert or jungle camoflauge will be useless in snowy areas. for sea you will need grey or bluish shade which fits the environment. brown color is for desert or mountains. the air crafts are camoflauged so that they are not only difficult to be spotted from the ground but from the above.

You would have to stand directly BELOW the helicopter to see the bluish patch otherwise the sides which you are 99% more likely to see from ground is still camo pattern which does no good with gray or light blue sky in the background. You are also confusing with the fact that TTP dont have an air force so they cant see these choppers from above!
If you speak about more sophisticated opponent like Indian military they will rely more on electronic sensors such as IRST and radars to detect aircrafts and again, comos wont work!

Generally, aircraft are camo painted two way.
One to deny observation from ground (for example, by painting the bottom of aircraft green, blue or sea green, some shade to merge with the sky once you are looking from the ground)
Second, to deny observation from an aircraft flying above it (for example, if the ground below is green, jungle, plains, fertile, the aircraft may be painted in some variety of green camo, woodland pattern etc)Like if you may notice, the bottom of the heli is painted sky blue, rest is green variety camo......

You would have to stand directly BELOW the helicopter to see the bluish patch otherwise the sides which you are 99% more likely to see from ground is still camo pattern which does no good with gray or light blue sky in the background.

A mirage in two-color pattern

These Mirage camo pattern are absolute paint scheme which were adopted in 1960s.

If you notice that all modern air force around the world have either adopted gray or light blue/gray paint scheme. Even Indian airforce and navy have adopted gray paint scheme which is more harder to spot from ground and even sky as long as they are not hugging the terrain.

 

[GriffinsRule]

You would have to stand directly BELOW the helicopter to see the bluish patch otherwise the sides which you are 99% more likely to see from ground is still camo pattern which does no good with gray or light blue sky in the background. You are also confusing with the fact that TTP dont have an air force so they cant see these choppers from above!
If you speak about more sophisticated opponent like Indian military they will rely more on electronic sensors such as IRST and radars to detect aircrafts and again, comos wont work!



You would have to stand directly BELOW the helicopter to see the bluish patch otherwise the sides which you are 99% more likely to see from ground is still camo pattern which does no good with gray or light blue sky in the background.





These Mirage camo pattern are absolute paint scheme which were adopted in 1960s.

If you notice that all modern air force around the world have either adopted gray or light blue/gray paint scheme. Even Indian airforce and navy have adopted gray paint scheme which is more harder to spot from ground and even sky as long as they are not hugging the terrain.

Can you post some pics of the Mirage 2000D/N variants and see what camo they use?
Tornado GR4s were painted in a flat sand scheme during the gulfwar.
Actually ... plenty of Israeli F-15s and F-16s have a two-tone desert camo pattern still. Same goes for plenty of other air forces. So safe to assume your assertion is incorrect

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Can you post some pics of the Mirage 2000D/N variants and see what camo they use?
Tornado GR4s were painted in a flat sand scheme during the gulfwar.
Actually ... plenty of Israeli F-15s and F-16s have a two-tone desert camo pattern still. Same goes for plenty of other air forces. So safe to assume your assertion is incorrect

You do have a point but Camouflaging aircraft is an absolute idea today and gray paint scheme has many advantages over como.
Tell me which is harder to see gray on gray or dark green brown on gray?

 

[GriffinsRule]

You do have a point but Camouflaging aircraft is an absolute idea today and gray paint scheme has many advantages over como.
Tell me which is harder to see gray on gray or dark green brown on gray?

A ground attack aircraft flying at lower altitudes, such as the Mirage 5s (remember Mirage 3Os with AI radars and an AD role have grey schemes) will be harder to see from fighters flying at higher altitudes. Not every engagement is going to be a BVR shoot. Camos are meant for particular terrain and roles that one envisions the to be operating in. They can change from time to time, and different schemes are tested but they have not lost their usefulness and definitely not obsolete. Think of them as part of the survival kit.

 

[litman]

we should paint them red as camo is an "obsolete" idea and say the dialogue of the red barron " i dont want them to be surprised i want them to be scared"

 

[aziqbal]

should have just gone for Z15

 

[Myth_buster_1]

A ground attack aircraft flying at lower altitudes, such as the Mirage 5s (remember Mirage 3Os with AI radars and an AD role have grey schemes) will be harder to see from fighters flying at higher altitudes. Not every engagement is going to be a BVR shoot. Camos are meant for particular terrain and roles that one envisions the to be operating in. They can change from time to time, and different schemes are tested but they have not lost their usefulness and definitely not obsolete. Think of them as part of the survival kit.

If you go to an airshow, its always gray scheme fighter that is harder to spot then compared to a como.
btw, how effective is mirage como in southern part of border along with india where their is mostly desert type terrain.