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Pakistan ‘received $25.91b’ from US since 9/11

Thats funny...you got $26 billion over all those dead Pakistani and telling us that money come first for us :omghaha:

no comment for rest of the cheap comment from you

putting smileys in your every comment shows how desperate and childish are you...you seem to have run out of arguments.....

like i implied you have a history of Ball licking to whomever rule you,rest you understand better...
 
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25/1 billion against the amount we spent is around 100 billion! so literally we got peanuts!
 
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DO you have the exact figure how much Mushi and Zardari spent on WOT ? Corruption is too high in Pakistan and they digest whatever comes to them from the people they never trust. 100 billions on WOT..It was all started to get aid from US and to fill their own pocket..NO one from Govt or Army is going to put it from Pakistan's pocket to fight against the menace created by themselves.

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DO you have the exact figure how much Mushi and Zardari spent on WOT ? Corruption is too high in Pakistan and they digest whatever comes to them from the people they never trust. 100 billions on WOT..It was all started to get aid from US and to fill their own pocket..NO one from Govt or Army is going to put it from Pakistan's pocket to fight against the menace created by themselves.

can u provide details of this corruption by mushi and zardari or you are just 'rambling'
 
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I wonder where do these extremist groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan get arms from? Some one is supplying them the artillery so question to be asked is - Who is the one bearing the cost? May be someone needs to cut down on that cost and then I am sure their overall expenses on the operation will come down.
 
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I wonder where do these extremist groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan get arms from? Some one is supplying them the artillery so question to be asked is - Who is the one bearing the cost? May be someone needs to cut down on that cost and then I am sure their overall expenses on the operation will come down.

Russian era rpk, rpg, Ak, draganovs,some NATO kit. It's easy to blame everything on PA. regardless of what people think PA has a very impressive record of inventory Management. Besides post 2014 you will see a lot more ana kit, does that mean PA is supplying this too?
 
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I wonder where do these extremist groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan get arms from? Some one is supplying them the artillery so question to be asked is - Who is the one bearing the cost? May be someone needs to cut down on that cost and then I am sure their overall expenses on the operation will come down.

actually I wonder,why Pakistani members are crying here for billions of dollars they loose when they're the one who sheltered Taliban and helped them from being wiped out in the first place??if they properly helped USA in the first place by closing their border as well as decimating talibani camps,neither taliban would resurge,nor the so called "Pakistani taliban" would've created.USA successfully routed taliban in 2001,but where did they flee from afghanistan???don't forget,who is behind Haqqani Network..and on whose interest's behalf they're acting..
 
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Russian era rpk, rpg, Ak, draganovs,some NATO kit. It's easy to blame everything on PA. regardless of what people think PA has a very impressive record of inventory Management. Besides post 2014 you will see a lot more ana kit, does that mean PA is supplying this too?

Russian era weapons can not last for 20+ years that too without proper maintenance. So unless they have setup arms industry by themselves it looks like someone is feeding them. And looking at the demographics of the region and the state it is in I can assure you there won't be many players. I never meant PA is giving them weapons from their arsenals but possibility of them getting some kind of help from some elements in PA can not be entirely ruled out..
 
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actually I wonder,why Pakistani members are crying here for billions of dollars they loose when they're the one who sheltered Taliban and helped them from being wiped out in the first place??if they properly helped USA in the first place by closing their border as well as decimating talibani camps,neither taliban would resurge,nor the so called "Pakistani taliban" would've created.USA successfully routed taliban in 2001,but where did they flee from afghanistan???don't forget,who is behind Haqqani Network..and on whose interest's behalf they're acting..

It is all politics my friend but in the end it is the common man who is suffering and that's the reason they are crying. Also as a citizen of a nation I will always back my Armed forces, my PM/president whether their decisions are right or wrong. Nothing wrong with that. Fact is, it is entirely by luck people get good leaders who give right direction to the nation. Unfortunately they got bad apples like Zia ul Haq. I blame him for all the issues in Pakistan today.
 
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Russian era weapons can not last for 20+ years that too without proper maintenance. So unless they have setup arms industry by themselves it looks like someone is feeding them. And looking at the demographics of the region and the state it is in I can assure you there won't be many players. I never meant PA is giving them weapons from their arsenals but possibility of them getting some kind of help from some elements in PA can not be entirely ruled out..

Are you forgetting the fact that these same tribesmen have been making arms to fight enemies since the Anglo afghan wars. Google the history of dera arms market. Thanks!
 
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$100 Billion is a highly exaggerated figure. The war in Afghanistan cost America a total of $557 Billion.

Losses like uncertainty, decline in foreign investments, effects on trade, tourism, and other businesses are the result of the insecurity emanating from terrorists’ acts of violence

$ 68 billion is the figure that Pakistan often claims to have lost so far for playing the role of frontline state in the war on terror. Is it true? Maybe! Let us analyse the data that makes up this loss and see if that vouches for the authenticity of this claim.

Uncertainty, export losses, and decline in foreign investment are the key causes that are claimed to have consumed 44 percent of the total losses while compensation to affected people and infrastructure development make up only 11 percent of this loss. Does it not sound quite peculiar that these intangible losses take the lead against the tangible ones? Take uncertainty for example. How can uncertainty be assessed and on what basis are its losses quantified?
The term uncertainty in itself is quite confusing and misleading. What actually is meant to convey through this term is unclear. Does it mean to convey that there is an uncertainty within the corridors of power or within the business community about the future this country holds for them? If it is used to imply that our alliance in the war on terror created uncertainty for foreign investors, then the relevant data needs to verify it.


Since 9/11, Pakistan has enjoyed an unprecedented rise in foreign investment. From a paltry amount of $ 308 million as foreign investment back in the year 2000, it started rising and reached the level of $ 4.2 billion by 2006. This upward trend in foreign investment continued till 2008 when it reached $ 5.4 billion. Thanks to the political chaos that began soon after the restoration of democracy, the foreign investors started fleeing from the country. Yet, foreign investment has not touched the bottom line. If we compare the total amount of FDI received during the last two decades of 1991-2000 and 2001-2011, the latter decade, popularly known as the war-on-terror decade, shows a significant improvement in this sector. During the whole decade from 1991-2000, we received only $ 5.07 billion as compared to $ 22.3 billion in 2001-2011, nearly $17.0 billion more than what was received in the pre war-on-terror decade.

Likewise, exports had also witnessed a constant growth after 2001 and the latest report shows that they rose by 33 percent during the July 2010-June 2011 period despite the worst security situation and energy crisis. The export trade’s growth from 2005 to 2010 was about 60 percent (from $ 14.3 billion in 2005 it went up to $ 19.2 billion in 2010) and if we include the growth of 2010-11 ($ 24.8 billion) it will be more than 120 percent growth within the last six years. This seems to be a great achievement amid the global economic meltdown of 2008 and an ongoing war on terror.


Over this economic growth during this tumultuous period, Pakistan also received $ 13 billion as funding for the war on terrorism. The US claims to have paid $ 20 billion so far. Luckily, our Pakistani community living abroad has also been a great source of relief to its war-torn country. From remittances of $ 4.2 billion in 2005, they went up to $12.0 billion in 2011, three times more than what they sent six years ago. Therefore, all these findings contradict the claim of the government about a huge loss that the war on terror has allegedly brought to this country.

To consider Pakistan as a frontline state in the war on terror, in my opinion, is in itself a wrong assumption on our part. Ours is a country that is right in the midst of the war on terror and not one that is on the borderline of a country where the war on terror is going on. If you disagree, just name one leader of the al Qaeda or the Taliban that was found or killed in our neighbouring country, Afghanistan. Unfortunately, most of them have been found or killed in Pakistan. Even the founder of al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, was found hiding in Pakistan and was killed here. The terrorist attack on PNS Mehran and the US operation in Abbottabad have also revealed the level of penetration al Qaeda and the Taliban have gained inside the highly disciplined institution of our military. The options left with us are either to fight against terrorists or accept them as our ally and declare war against the US. We are in a situation where all roads lead to war. It is the ultimate result of the policies we pursued in the past and we cannot undo them without taking a firm stand against them. Instead of fighting this war on our own, we better be a part of the world community and make a resolve to clean the country of all sorts of extremism and terrorism that have taken root here. If the losses incurred in this war are more than what is normally accepted, we had better come up with solid and undeniable proofs. Making an unrealistic wish list as we did for the flood disaster last year is not going to work. Initially, we claimed that the flood-related losses and damages were around $ 45 billion. Later, a joint assessment by the World Bank and Asian Development Bank estimated it to be around $ 9.7 billion. The budget for 2011-2012 also carried Rs 855 billion (close to $ 10 billion) as flood-related losses.

The real losses of the war on terror are human lives and infrastructure. All other losses like uncertainty, decline in foreign investments, effects on trade, tourism, and other businesses are the result of the insecurity emanating from terrorists’ acts of violence and the weakening of the law and order situation. Even if we delink ourselves from our alliance with the US, the losses in the economic field are not going to be recovered. Therefore, the ball is in our court. Do we want to live with our extremists or the world community? Both have their own price tags along with their advantages and disadvantages. We are at a crossroads where our decisions are going to make or break this country. We have to take one or the other side. Sailing in two boats may not work anymore.

VIEW : Has Pakistan lost $ 68 billion? — Mohammad Nafees

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/187739-has-pakistan-lost-68-billion-due-war-terror.html
 
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Are you forgetting the fact that these same tribesmen have been making arms to fight enemies since the Anglo afghan wars. Google the history of dera arms market. Thanks!

actually you're forgetting that its not tribesman,Pakistan is one of the largest market of illegal arms.Durra,which is a city of FATA region,hope you didn't forget this city.

Durra - the world
 
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actually you're forgetting that its not tribesman,Pakistan is one of the largest market of illegal arms.Durra,which is a city of FATA region,hope you didn't forget this city.

Durra - the world

You really need to brush up on your history of tribal belt.
http://lauraschuurmans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Warriors-World-2.pdf

The problem is that people who are not local think that the arms market was born during the soviet afghan conflict, in fact it has been in existence since the beginning of the first Anglo afghan war which pre date Taliban, Aqn and Pakistan Army.

Another very good read on the subject of Pashtun tribesmen knocking off the Martini Rifles:
http://www.benning.army.mil/Library/content/Skeen - Passing It On 30 Nov 2010.pdf
 
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You really need to brush up on your history of tribal belt.
http://lauraschuurmans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Warriors-World-2.pdf

The problem is that people who are not local think that the arms market was born during the soviet afghan conflict, in fact it has been in existence since the beginning of the first Anglo afghan war which pre date Taliban, Aqn and Pakistan Army.

I'm not contradicting with your logic of tribesmen's usage of weapons.I'm rather pointing towards the fact that not only tribesmen,but also illegal arms are available via various means in pakistan.
 
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I'm not contradicting with your logic of tribesmen's usage of weapons.I'm rather pointing towards the fact that not only tribesmen,but also illegal arms are available via various means in pakistan.

Absolutely, but why only emphasize Pakistan, not Uzbekistan, Iran and Afghanistan. Did you know that majority of Blasting caps and detonators used by Militants have Russian markings?

The use of Shaped Charges, EFP and Splatter Charges against light and heavy armor is Iranian specialty as used by Hezbollah against Israel, but we find this used against our apc and troop transports in the belt. Where is this knowledge coming from, the internet?

Militants found with Iridium phones and Dubai registered sim cards are being paid by ISI to blow up their own buses?
 
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